Electronics - how to ruin a good hobby. A story with no mor

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dave

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When I was 10 years old my dad gave me a Radio Shack 50-in 1
electronic project kit for my birthday, and the first time I
heard my voice come out of the speaker I was hooked. I
started buying electronics magazines to read about all the
kit projects I couldn't afford, let alone assemble with
dad's soldering iron (gee it fixed the plumbing though), and
I was excited.

At 14 I bought my first data book, a National Linear. It
was blue and orange, and full of IC's and the schematics
that would make them do cool things. Then I learned about
logic and got a CMOS data book as well. While my friends
probably had a pile of Hustler mags under their beds, I
would sit up until 3AM poring over my data books and
dreaming about all the amazing devices I was going to design
one day. When I got my first circuit working with an LM555 I
knew there was no stopping me.

And so I abandoned my plans to become an architect and
enrolled for engineering instead. Most of the money I
earned pumping petrol, I spent on new output transistors for
the kit amps I kept blowing up, or new speakers for the ones
I didn't. I had started designing my own basic circuits,
mostly by adapting schematics out of magazines, and I came
up with brilliant ideas like automatic rain-sensing
windscreen wipers. (That one worked, well in a downpour
anyway, so I guess it needed a little refinement. About 20
years later Puegot started using the same idea, so I wasn't
completely misguided, just too ambitious).

But still I wanted to learn more and more about design so I
studied and read and soldered and found out what 240V
through the heart felt like. I had brains and enthusiasm
and ideas, and I knew that combination would one day make me
rich and respected and I'd get to name some cool circuit
after me, just like Butterworth or Schottky or Colpitts.
The electronics industry seemed to have an obvious hole in
it - the salesmen knew nothing, and the geeks couldn't sell
anything, so all I had to do was graduate, choose my weapon
and devour the world.

Two years out of university and things were on track. I had
my own business and at least one good customer and I spent
my spare time designing a range of products. The first few
were rubbish and I still feel guilty for accepting money for
them, but people seemed to have faith in my enthusiasm so
they kept coming back and I kept improving, and some of the
stuff we made actually worked quite well. Something wasn't
right though. My discrete designs never performed that well
and books didn't tell me how to fix them. I started taking
circuits from magazines instead, or borrowing ideas from
competitors products, and in the end I gave up and just used
I.C.'s and the trusty old collection of National and
Motorola data books. The bills got paid, even if it did
take 80 hours a week at the bench.

Things grew, things changed. Some things worked and others
didn't, we did some stupid projects but nobody got killed or
sued me. Gradually I started to find that good ideas or
hard work don't amount to shit when you're up against
salesmen and spin doctors, and so my disillusionment grew.
The more complex our products became, the more complex their
problems, and nothing is quite as crushing as delivering the
first run of a new device, only to receive a phone call to
say "they work fine on the bench but they all oscillate on
site, fix them now!" And so the miracle of xanax began to
help me through those difficult projects.

I was mostly honest, but I got screwed. Nobody sent me broke
but it all wore me down. Designing didn't seem such fun any
more when anything I could design, could be bought from
China for fifteen dollars. We made our money in contracting
installation services to the building industry, brute work
with the twin evils of Site Managers and Unions, while I was
always trying to design that ultimate range of critically
acclaimed products, making batches of 25 or 50 or 100 and no
too batches the same.

I got engaged to a doctor. I was 38. My parents were
overjoyed.

And then one day, after 15 years in business, one particular
guy stitched me up in a very ungentlemanly fashion and cost
me my biggest customer. There was absolutely nothing I
could do about it, agreed my psychiatrist, and wrote a
repeat for Zoloft. Nothing was fun any more and I found
myself sleeping on the floor of my office on Saturday
afternoons, when I should have been tweaking my new designs.
Working late was downloading porn off that new thing, the
internet, and I couldn't be bothered designing anything new.
Nothing ever worked the way it was supposed to anyway, and
besides we were still analogue in a world going digital.
Between the panic attacks and depression the only thing that
appealed to me was picking up girls on the net and I had
affairs, which out of guilt I confessed to my fiance and
that was the end of that.

My life sucked and I would sleep until midday and expect the
guys at work to hold it together for me. Which they mostly
did. And so one day I rang a guy I knew and asked him to
contact my competitor, and see if he would buy me out.

Two years later it finally happened, he bought most of the
business for not much more than the value of the stock but
it was something. I had no plans but a guy I met on the
internet had started a porn site and asked me if I could
come up with some ideas, so I did and he started paying me
money. Before too long I was feeling much better and coming
up with some cool ideas for web sites of my own, so he
helped me start one and gave me a desk in his building to
work from. I spent more and more time there. It was great
fun, thinking up ideas for photo shoots and hanging around
with cool nekkid girls, while the last 2 guys left in my
fading electronics empire limped along churning out small
quantities of stuff at the old factory, the part of the
business I couldn't sell.

Very late one night I got a call from the security company
that there was an alarm at the old building. So I hauled my
arse down there to find it was a soldering iron left on, or
some such thing. I hadn't even been there for many weeks
and I noticed my desk looked unfamiliar. It had piles and
piles of papers, 10 years accumulation, that didn't seem to
matter any more, and the walls were covered in personal
things which didn't seem to be a part of me any more either.
My bookshelves were stuffed with references that suddenly,
I realsied, I would never again open, and they smelled a bit
musty. And right up the top in a neat row was my complete
collection of National Semiconductor data books, right down
to the 1973 Linear edition, the one that kicked all this
off, the cover held on with tape.

I wandered down the back, past the other offices and through
the workshop. Everything seemed much older and dirtier.
The wall is covered in hundreds of bins of parts, IC's,
switches,relays and every passive value you could get, in
reels of 1000 no less. This was the likes of which I could
only dream about at age 15. Oh to have all this at my
disposal so I could dream up cool things and just sit down
and MAKE them without having to wait for my next $12 pay
packet and queue up at McGrath's for my piddling shopping
list of resistors and diodes! But it didn't matter to me
now. I thumbed through the drawers and pulled a few open,
and eventually I came across a little set of 8 clear plastic
drawers in a tin cabinet. I remember buying this with $2 my
grandma gave me when I was 14, and inside I found a little
jumble of parts, some half watt resistors and even a
germanium transistor or two, and a ferrite rod wrapped in
wire by my own teenage hands; among the first components I
had every bought, nearly 30 years ago. Like a seed they had
germinated all THIS, I thought, but maybe spread more like
weeds? And so I realised, after 20 years, that I had ruined
a perfectly good hobby by turning it into a profession; that
was really the problem. And so I cleared my desk into the
dumpster and locked the door for the last time.

Two years later and my web sites are doing very well. They
may be porn but they are good porn, respectful to the models
and customers alike, and I employ 8 people. The old
electronic business is still hanging in there but I only
stop by to use the workshop for some hobby welding or to
sign documents. I can't tell my mother what I do, in fact
most of my friends don't know either, but my sites are good
and I'm proud of them, in a pervy way. Tonight I was
interviewed on the radio from the other side of the world
and I came home to my beautiful wife, who is a photographer
and model, half my age, and we talked about the new house
we're going to buy. I turned on the computer to check my
sites and answer some emails, but I don't look at porn any
more. (After only 2 years, I have ruined another perfectly
good hobby.)

I opened my news reader and came across this group, where I
used to post perplexing questions and some of you kindly
helped me out. I read a few posts and answered a few too,
but they were very simple things, and I still feel no more
knowledgeable than I did at 15, and everybody else seems to
know more. It's funny how time works, you never actually
feel any older, you just feel sort of dumber and less
useful, but nothing seems to matter as much. Nobody cured
my nervous breakdown from the late 90's, least of all the
drugs, I guess I just grew out of it. I am still the same
person I was at 14, but I can't help wondering how all this
happened; how a "boy genius" high achiever with good
intentions and enthusiasm, with a grammar school education
and from a middle class home, with parents of impeccable
morals and the highest community respect, with a university
degree in engineering; became a 44 year old professional
pervert.

Perhaps the answer was there 30 years ago. If I had just
ditched the Linear Data Book and picked up a pile of
Hustlers like the other guys, maybe I could have saved
myself 20 years of grief. And just perhaps, the worst is
yet to come; but for now, I have never been happier in my
entire life.
 
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:01:54 GMT, dave <nospam@myplace.net> wrote:

When I was 10 years old my dad gave me a Radio Shack 50-in 1
electronic project kit for my birthday, and the first time I
heard my voice come out of the speaker I was hooked. I
started buying electronics magazines to read about all the
kit projects I couldn't afford, let alone assemble with
dad's soldering iron (gee it fixed the plumbing though), and
I was excited.

At 14 I bought my first data book, a National Linear. It
was blue and orange, and full of IC's and the schematics
that would make them do cool things. Then I learned about
logic and got a CMOS data book as well. While my friends
probably had a pile of Hustler mags under their beds, I
would sit up until 3AM poring over my data books and
dreaming about all the amazing devices I was going to design
one day. When I got my first circuit working with an LM555 I
knew there was no stopping me.

And so I abandoned my plans to become an architect and
enrolled for engineering instead.
Funny! My exact path, except I still dabble in architecture.

[snip]
I guess I just grew out of it. I am still the same
person I was at 14, but I can't help wondering how all this
happened; how a "boy genius" high achiever with good
intentions and enthusiasm, with a grammar school education
and from a middle class home, with parents of impeccable
morals and the highest community respect, with a university
degree in engineering; became a 44 year old professional
pervert.

Perhaps the answer was there 30 years ago. If I had just
ditched the Linear Data Book and picked up a pile of
Hustlers like the other guys, maybe I could have saved
myself 20 years of grief. And just perhaps, the worst is
yet to come; but for now, I have never been happier in my
entire life.
But you never really understood how circuits work.

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
 
Amusing.

I was also the kid who had no time for the street - I was too busy
trying to fix things.

In an echo of Jim, I note you said:
"My discrete designs never performed that well and books didn't tell me
how to fix them"

Books never tell you how to fix them - that is the realm of experience
and knowledge. Experience and knowledge are never found in a book of
Any type. And if you don't *love* electronics, you'll never learn,
anyway. It's hard for outsiders to understand the passion of a
designer.

As I said - amusing. Yet sad in a way :)

PeteS
 
dave wrote:

I still feel no more knowledgeable than I did at 15, and everybody
else seems to know more.
You can choose to see the superior and feel inferior, or the inferior
and feel superior, or you can mind your own path and take pride in your
best effort.

It's funny how time works, you never actually
feel any older, you just feel sort of dumber and less useful, but
nothing seems to matter as much.
I suppose I would if I had let slip what you had.

Nobody cured
my nervous breakdown from the late 90's, least of all the drugs, I
guess I just grew out of it.
The head and heart, are a 2nd order differential system. Emotions are
the consequence of rational value judgments (or the irrational
delusions of the insane). The will to think and plan is sparked by
enthusiasm, love for creativity. Therefor when a shrink gives you a
drug, he is impairing you from feeling pain that, as a rational person,
should be warning you to turn around, and is short-circuiting your
motivation. The bastard's poisoning you.

I am still the same
person I was at 14, but I can't help wondering how all this happened;
how a "boy genius" high achiever with good intentions and enthusiasm,
with a grammar school education and from a middle class home, with
parents of impeccable morals and the highest community respect, with
a university degree in engineering; became a 44 year old professional
pervert.
You took a value, money, out of the context of creativity. Perhaps you
feel guilty for encouraging guys and girls to confuse lust, a drug-like
infatuation, with love, which is a reaction to personality.

Perhaps the answer was there 30 years ago. If I had just ditched the
Linear Data Book and picked up a pile of Hustlers like the other
guys, maybe I could have saved myself 20 years of grief. And just
perhaps, the worst is yet to come; but for now, I have never been
happier in my entire life.
Most of those the world can't corrupt, it will stomp down. Those who the
world corrupts, it ruins the honor of creation for.

What profits a man that gains the world and loses his soul? One of the
more profound statements of Ayn Rand I've read:

"The Romantic Manifesto"
2. Philosophy and Sense of Life

To the extent to which a man is mentally active, i.e., motivated by
the desire to know, to understand, his mind works as the programmer
of his emotional computer—and his sense of life develops into a
bright counterpart of a rational philosophy. To the extent to which a
man evades, the programming of his emotional computer is done by
chance influences; by random impressions, associations, imitations,
by undigested snatches of environmental bromides, by cultural
osmosis: If evasion or lethargy is a man's predominant method of
mental functioning, the result is a sense of life dominated by fear—a
soul like a shapeless piece of clay stamped by footprints going in
all directions. (In later years, such a man cries that he has lost
his sense of identity; the fact is that he never acquired it.)
....
I am referring here to romantic love, in the serious meaning of that
term—as distinguished from the superficial infatuations of those
whose sense of life is devoid of any consistent values, i.e., of any
lasting emotions other than fear. Love is a response to values. It is
with a person's sense of life that one falls in love—with that
essential sum, that fundamental stand or way of facing existence,
which is the essence of a personality. One falls in love with the
embodiment of the values that formed a person's character, which are
reflected in his widest goals or
smallest gestures, which create the style of his soul—the individual
style of a unique, unrepeatable, irreplaceable consciousness.
Sex is to love what drugs are to the mind, a cheap shortcut that
destroys the purpose and meaning of it. Surely you can do better than
being a dope peddler?

I suppose I shouldn't preach a moral lecture, because even though I know
better, I've lost the will to do better for such a sick culture. I
should do better for myself, but I've been a Christian altruist so long
I don't know how.

Scott

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"dave" <nospam@myplace.net> wrote in message
news:mC2Pe.9247$FA3.7762@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
My discrete designs never performed that well
and books didn't tell me how to fix them. I started taking
circuits from magazines instead, or borrowing ideas from
competitors products, and in the end I gave up and just used
I.C.'s and the trusty old collection of National and
Motorola data books.
There is a lot to be learnt from magazines and competitor's products, while
at the same time developing one's own understanding of how the parts
interact - and picking up that specialised knowledge that goes with each
application area. I think part of practicing electronics is knowing how far
one can take it, and working at a depth and in an application area where one
is productive.


I was mostly honest, but I got screwed. Nobody sent me broke
but it all wore me down.
I wish there was a book called "Understanding People for Geeks". There are
so many tech people who don't understand the human animal. The human is a
dangerous, crafty, loveable beast, with complex motivations. Honesty and
knowledge-seeking are not the predominant drives of a human who is
successful at making money - or most humans for that matter. It can take
20, 40 years, for a geek to come to terms with humans - or like my own
father, never in a lifetime.

Business types see tech people as tools to be used. You see electronics
people who are sucked dry after years of battling and a few rip-offs.

I must say I prefer a pay packet to running a business. The pay packet
tells me my employer is serious about the business - not like those chancers
who wasted my time on quotations and discussions that never produced a
return. And I don't have the worry of tax payments and book keeping.

Now I am happy to pay the bills and feed the kids. I could have done it all
so much smarter, but it has been a hell of a ride. I try to see the good
things and be kind to people.


Oh to have all this at my
disposal so I could dream up cool things and just sit down
and MAKE them without having to wait for my next $12 pay
packet and queue up at McGrath's for my piddling shopping
list of resistors and diodes!
Dave, I too spent money at McGrath's. Remember the counter staff - seedy,
cocky and ignorant. In my garage I have some parts and modest test gear
which I could never have dreamed of owning in the 1960s - yet I hardly touch
it - too dark, too cold, solder fumes - kind of leaves a void.


Roger Lascelles
 
I presume this is fiction, though it probably has a basis in your
experiences. You can't be 14 forever. What you seem to be saying is that
you chose a profession and got bored with it without really paying attention
to what was going on. If you're smart enough to troubleshoot circuits, you
should also be able to troubleshoot your career without indulging in
self-pity or self-destruction ("cleaning out the desk into the dumpster").

The business world is full of people who will treat you badly, and also
people who will treat you well. Your job is to distinguish them. And above
all, treat yourself well.
 
dave wrote:

When I was 10 years old my dad gave me a Radio Shack 50-in 1
electronic project kit for my birthday, and the first time I
heard my voice come out of the speaker I was hooked. I
started buying electronics magazines to read about all the
kit projects I couldn't afford, let alone assemble with
dad's soldering iron (gee it fixed the plumbing though), and
I was excited.

At 14 I bought my first data book, a National Linear. It
was blue and orange, and full of IC's and the schematics
that would make them do cool things. Then I learned about
logic and got a CMOS data book as well. While my friends
probably had a pile of Hustler mags under their beds, I
would sit up until 3AM poring over my data books and
dreaming about all the amazing devices I was going to design
one day. When I got my first circuit working with an LM555 I
knew there was no stopping me.

And so I abandoned my plans to become an architect and
enrolled for engineering instead. Most of the money I
earned pumping petrol, I spent on new output transistors for
the kit amps I kept blowing up, or new speakers for the ones
I didn't. I had started designing my own basic circuits,
mostly by adapting schematics out of magazines, and I came
up with brilliant ideas like automatic rain-sensing
windscreen wipers. (That one worked, well in a downpour
anyway, so I guess it needed a little refinement. About 20
years later Puegot started using the same idea, so I wasn't
completely misguided, just too ambitious).

But still I wanted to learn more and more about design so I
studied and read and soldered and found out what 240V
through the heart felt like. I had brains and enthusiasm
and ideas, and I knew that combination would one day make me
rich and respected and I'd get to name some cool circuit
after me, just like Butterworth or Schottky or Colpitts.
The electronics industry seemed to have an obvious hole in
it - the salesmen knew nothing, and the geeks couldn't sell
anything, so all I had to do was graduate, choose my weapon
and devour the world.

Two years out of university and things were on track. I had
my own business and at least one good customer and I spent
my spare time designing a range of products. The first few
were rubbish and I still feel guilty for accepting money for
them, but people seemed to have faith in my enthusiasm so
they kept coming back and I kept improving, and some of the
stuff we made actually worked quite well. Something wasn't
right though. My discrete designs never performed that well
and books didn't tell me how to fix them. I started taking
circuits from magazines instead, or borrowing ideas from
competitors products, and in the end I gave up and just used
I.C.'s and the trusty old collection of National and
Motorola data books. The bills got paid, even if it did
take 80 hours a week at the bench.

Things grew, things changed. Some things worked and others
didn't, we did some stupid projects but nobody got killed or
sued me. Gradually I started to find that good ideas or
hard work don't amount to shit when you're up against
salesmen and spin doctors, and so my disillusionment grew.
The more complex our products became, the more complex their
problems, and nothing is quite as crushing as delivering the
first run of a new device, only to receive a phone call to
say "they work fine on the bench but they all oscillate on
site, fix them now!" And so the miracle of xanax began to
help me through those difficult projects.

I was mostly honest, but I got screwed. Nobody sent me broke
but it all wore me down. Designing didn't seem such fun any
more when anything I could design, could be bought from
China for fifteen dollars. We made our money in contracting
installation services to the building industry, brute work
with the twin evils of Site Managers and Unions, while I was
always trying to design that ultimate range of critically
acclaimed products, making batches of 25 or 50 or 100 and no
too batches the same.

I got engaged to a doctor. I was 38. My parents were
overjoyed.

And then one day, after 15 years in business, one particular
guy stitched me up in a very ungentlemanly fashion and cost
me my biggest customer. There was absolutely nothing I
could do about it, agreed my psychiatrist, and wrote a
repeat for Zoloft. Nothing was fun any more and I found
myself sleeping on the floor of my office on Saturday
afternoons, when I should have been tweaking my new designs.
Working late was downloading porn off that new thing, the
internet, and I couldn't be bothered designing anything new.
Nothing ever worked the way it was supposed to anyway, and
besides we were still analogue in a world going digital.
Between the panic attacks and depression the only thing that
appealed to me was picking up girls on the net and I had
affairs, which out of guilt I confessed to my fiance and
that was the end of that.

My life sucked and I would sleep until midday and expect the
guys at work to hold it together for me. Which they mostly
did. And so one day I rang a guy I knew and asked him to
contact my competitor, and see if he would buy me out.

Two years later it finally happened, he bought most of the
business for not much more than the value of the stock but
it was something. I had no plans but a guy I met on the
internet had started a porn site and asked me if I could
come up with some ideas, so I did and he started paying me
money. Before too long I was feeling much better and coming
up with some cool ideas for web sites of my own, so he
helped me start one and gave me a desk in his building to
work from. I spent more and more time there. It was great
fun, thinking up ideas for photo shoots and hanging around
with cool nekkid girls, while the last 2 guys left in my
fading electronics empire limped along churning out small
quantities of stuff at the old factory, the part of the
business I couldn't sell.

Very late one night I got a call from the security company
that there was an alarm at the old building. So I hauled my
arse down there to find it was a soldering iron left on, or
some such thing. I hadn't even been there for many weeks
and I noticed my desk looked unfamiliar. It had piles and
piles of papers, 10 years accumulation, that didn't seem to
matter any more, and the walls were covered in personal
things which didn't seem to be a part of me any more either.
My bookshelves were stuffed with references that suddenly,
I realsied, I would never again open, and they smelled a bit
musty. And right up the top in a neat row was my complete
collection of National Semiconductor data books, right down
to the 1973 Linear edition, the one that kicked all this
off, the cover held on with tape.

I wandered down the back, past the other offices and through
the workshop. Everything seemed much older and dirtier.
The wall is covered in hundreds of bins of parts, IC's,
switches,relays and every passive value you could get, in
reels of 1000 no less. This was the likes of which I could
only dream about at age 15. Oh to have all this at my
disposal so I could dream up cool things and just sit down
and MAKE them without having to wait for my next $12 pay
packet and queue up at McGrath's for my piddling shopping
list of resistors and diodes! But it didn't matter to me
now. I thumbed through the drawers and pulled a few open,
and eventually I came across a little set of 8 clear plastic
drawers in a tin cabinet. I remember buying this with $2 my
grandma gave me when I was 14, and inside I found a little
jumble of parts, some half watt resistors and even a
germanium transistor or two, and a ferrite rod wrapped in
wire by my own teenage hands; among the first components I
had every bought, nearly 30 years ago. Like a seed they had
germinated all THIS, I thought, but maybe spread more like
weeds? And so I realised, after 20 years, that I had ruined
a perfectly good hobby by turning it into a profession; that
was really the problem. And so I cleared my desk into the
dumpster and locked the door for the last time.

Two years later and my web sites are doing very well. They
may be porn but they are good porn, respectful to the models
and customers alike, and I employ 8 people. The old
electronic business is still hanging in there but I only
stop by to use the workshop for some hobby welding or to
sign documents. I can't tell my mother what I do, in fact
most of my friends don't know either, but my sites are good
and I'm proud of them, in a pervy way. Tonight I was
interviewed on the radio from the other side of the world
and I came home to my beautiful wife, who is a photographer
and model, half my age, and we talked about the new house
we're going to buy. I turned on the computer to check my
sites and answer some emails, but I don't look at porn any
more. (After only 2 years, I have ruined another perfectly
good hobby.)

I opened my news reader and came across this group, where I
used to post perplexing questions and some of you kindly
helped me out. I read a few posts and answered a few too,
but they were very simple things, and I still feel no more
knowledgeable than I did at 15, and everybody else seems to
know more. It's funny how time works, you never actually
feel any older, you just feel sort of dumber and less
useful, but nothing seems to matter as much. Nobody cured
my nervous breakdown from the late 90's, least of all the
drugs, I guess I just grew out of it. I am still the same
person I was at 14, but I can't help wondering how all this
happened; how a "boy genius" high achiever with good
intentions and enthusiasm, with a grammar school education
and from a middle class home, with parents of impeccable
morals and the highest community respect, with a university
degree in engineering; became a 44 year old professional
pervert.

Perhaps the answer was there 30 years ago. If I had just
ditched the Linear Data Book and picked up a pile of
Hustlers like the other guys, maybe I could have saved
myself 20 years of grief. And just perhaps, the worst is
yet to come; but for now, I have never been happier in my
entire life.
We're suckers, but one thing I have learned over the years is never design your
own if a reference design is available. And more recently, never write new code
if open source freebie stuff is available.

Most recently... get out and do something else.

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org
 
Roger Lascelles wrote:

I wish there was a book called "Understanding People for Geeks".
I've been contemplating writing a book called "How to Stop Being a Geek,
Hate People and Mobs, then Break Them".

There are
so many tech people who don't understand the human animal. The human is a
dangerous, crafty, loveable beast, with complex motivations.
Just as head and heart interact in the individual, cultural beliefs and
motives interact with individual beliefs and motives to create higher
order complex dynamics. It is just such cultural dynamics that really
tear up individuals - altruism; the cultural expectation that
individuals ought to sacrifice or act on behalf of the group at their
own expense. It is the belief in altruism that turns individuals into
their own victimizers, and turns leaders into looters and cannibals.

Honesty and
knowledge-seeking are not the predominant drives of a human who is
successful at making money - or most humans for that matter.
I don't believe that.Bill Gates, for instance, may have gone over to the
dark side, but that isn't how he started. Or Wasniak at Apple, et. Too
much of a good thing is harmful.

No, its a predatory culture that punishes altruists by sucking all their
blood until they become bitter, and bitter coworkers that hate anyone
who is not as miserable as they.

It can take
20, 40 years, for a geek to come to terms with humans - or like my own
father, never in a lifetime.
Some altruists are never brave enough to hate predators and the mob,
that they can love themselves. Its the belief that altruism is good, and
egoism is bad. Such people are condemned to bleed themselves to death to
feed the predatory parasites.

Business types see tech people as tools to be used. You see electronics
people who are sucked dry after years of battling and a few rip-offs.
Honesty and business are not mutually exclusive. It takes higher-order
dynamics, like the government enabling slave-labor and imports from
slave-labor cultures, to force business into ruthless cut-throat
behavior. It's bad policy to screw smart people.

The best are either smart enough to see through the abuse and go to
where they are honored and rewarded, or smart enough to rip-off and
start their own predatory scam, like Dave.

I must say I prefer a pay packet to running a business. The pay packet
tells me my employer is serious about the business - not like those chancers
who wasted my time on quotations and discussions that never produced a
return. And I don't have the worry of tax payments and book keeping.
How can you proudly take a pay-packet from those that are using you like
a cheap tool, if you're not screwing them back?

Scott

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POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

Don't ever give up what you want in life. The struggle is worth it - Ayn
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mc wrote:

I presume this is fiction, though it probably has a basis in your
experiences.
It sounds real except for the porn part. How many guys get lucky enough
to take pictures of pretty young naked girls all day? Nope, that part is
beyond the pale. BTW its not sex but pornography I meant to equate with
drug abuse.

If you're smart enough to troubleshoot circuits, you
should also be able to troubleshoot your career without indulging in
self-pity or self-destruction ("cleaning out the desk into the dumpster").
As Roger Lascelles said, some people never come to understand the nature
of the evil around them.

The business world is full of people who will treat you badly, and also
people who will treat you well. Your job is to distinguish them.
Nature demands we become strong enough to punish predatory animals.
Those that do not hunt down and punish predators enable the evil that
corrupts and destroys society. Those that sit back thinking that if
people are stupid enough to be abused, they deserve it, end up creating
a large number of cynical, sick monsters that eventually transmit the
disease of corruption to the culture, and then the world.

Wars are no coincidence. When enough people learn that theft and
destruction is easier and acceptable, after their politicians have
played gangs against each other bribing votes and influence peddling,
that self-indebted culture looks for other ripe countries to plunder.

Politics is legalized gang warfare, and once the principle of
tax-plunder is established, its only a matter of time until the con
schemes are used to plunder other, bigger gangs.

Scott

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POLITICS, n.
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The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

Don't ever give up what you want in life. The struggle is worth it - Ayn
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On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:01:54 +0000, dave wrote:

When I was 10 years old my dad gave me a Radio Shack 50-in 1
electronic project kit for my birthday, and the first time I
heard my voice come out of the speaker I was hooked. I
started buying electronics magazines to read about all the
kit projects I couldn't afford, let alone assemble with
dad's soldering iron (gee it fixed the plumbing though), and
I was excited.
[snip long story]

How interesting. Thanks for sharing that.

If you are happier now, then congratulations. There's nothing wrong with
not liking electronics. It's just a shame it took you so long to figure it
out!

But no sense crying over spilt milk. And you are still young, so no real
harm done.

--Mac
 
"Scott Stephens" <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1LednW_6YOEppJDeRVn-qA@comcast.com...
Roger Lascelles wrote:


How can you proudly take a pay-packet from those that are using you like
a cheap tool, if you're not screwing them back?
Hello Scott.

My thought was that my present boss deserves my attention because he pays me
regularly - unlike some of those time-wasters I consulted for. For me that
is evidence that he is genuine.

I have noticed that that tech people seem to draw business types like a
magnet. The business types don't mean any harm, they just talk in friendly
tones to the tech person - then in their own interests.

Roger Lascelles
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that Scott Stephens
<scottxs@comcast.net> wrote (in <1LednW_6YOEppJDeRVn-qA@comcast.com>)
about 'Electronics - how to ruin a good hobby. A story with no
morals...', on Wed, 24 Aug 2005:

How can you proudly take a pay-packet from those that are using you
like a cheap tool, if you're not screwing them back?
That reminds me of the worst excesses of the British militant trade
unions of 40 years ago.

For a Christian altruist, you're really rather full of hate, aren't
you? In your own doctrine, 'the labourer is worthy of his hire'. Most
employers are very far from the exploitative monsters you picture. Note
that I am not, and never have been, an employer. I was an employee for
25 years, and now I'm self-employed, which I prefer. But I don't regard
that 25 years as slavery.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
If everything has been designed, a god designed evolution by natural selection.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:01:54 GMT, dave <nospam@myplace.net> wrote:

<snip>

I was the multitalented guy, i had the hustler mags, the bong, the
beer cans and the electronics books.

Now? I dont own an electronics business, i dont own a porn site but I
write c++ for a gambling company and get paid a shit load. I did start
a software company of my own that made some good cash, but then I
thought fuck it, and went back to drinking beer and smoking pot. Life
has always been fun and I still search for porn on the internet :)

Different strokes for different blokes.
 
In article <Ys-dnV9Y0cFYppDeRVn-3g@comcast.com>, scottxs@comcast.net opined
thusly:
mc wrote:

I presume this is fiction, though it probably has a basis in your
experiences.

It sounds real except for the porn part. How many guys get lucky enough
to take pictures of pretty young naked girls all day? Nope, that part is
beyond the pale.
Luck has nothing to do with it - it's actually a very easy industry to get
into, because so many people don't want to. Maybe I made it sound too easy,
it actually took about a year and maybe $50,000 to get my first site running,
although it didn't really need to. (I wanted an automated site). Pick a
niche, advertise, get a good but simple camera, market your product. It's no
different to any other industry.
 
John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Scott Stephens
scottxs@comcast.net> wrote (in <1LednW_6YOEppJDeRVn-qA@comcast.com>)
about 'Electronics - how to ruin a good hobby. A story with no
morals...', on Wed, 24 Aug 2005:

How can you proudly take a pay-packet from those that are using you
like a cheap tool, if you're not screwing them back?


That reminds me of the worst excesses of the British militant trade
unions of 40 years ago.

For a Christian altruist, you're really rather full of hate, aren't
you?
Yes. I should have specified recovering Christian altruist.

But I don't regard that 25 years as slavery.
I don't regard the years I've spent working for others as slavery; I was
made offers and I acceptance. If I wasn't young and naive, I would have
asked better questions and walked away. But as I said, a culture that
abuses those too young, naive and stupid enough to realize what is
happening to them is nothing to be proud of.

And if we can't be proud of what we do in our careers, we're whores,
prostituting our brains for money. I didn't go to work for Rockwell or
Argonne so I could help the waste tax dollars. I didn't got to for
Motorola so I could help them waste their stockholders equity. I thought
the world would be a better, not cheaper place for my efforts. But if
everyone else wants to dilute the value of the dollar with counterfeit
work-effort, I suppose I'm stupid for not helping them drill holes in
the Titanic, as it were.

What I will complain about is the intrusions into my personal life by my
employers, there immoral discrimination and consequent nasty working
environments (which I voted with my feet to protest) and dishonesty,
among other things.

Scott

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POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

Don't ever give up what you want in life. The struggle is worth it - Ayn
Rand

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Roger Lascelles wrote:

I have noticed that that tech people seem to draw business types like a
magnet.
Why? People are literally non-magnetic. So you must mean there is some
complementary personality dynamic involved, such as sadist-masochist,
hero-sidekick, predator-prey. Perhaps you mean tech people don't like to
do business, and business people need techs?

The business types don't mean any harm, they just talk in friendly
tones to the tech person - then in their own interests.
You're ambiguous. Someone that uses you, as you said, as a tool may do
it indifferently, yet they are committing an immoral act by not acting
towards others as an end in themselves, but at a thing like a stone.
Hitler or Stalin could do likewise. It doesn't matter if they don't mean
the harm, if they do harm indifferently.

And there's nothing wrong with being friendly and acting in your own
interests. I can't tell what you mean.

Scott

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DIY Piezo-Gyro, PCB Drill Bot & More Soon!
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POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

Don't ever give up what you want in life. The struggle is worth it - Ayn
Rand

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Roger Lascelles wrote:

My thought was that my present boss deserves my attention because he pays me
regularly - unlike some of those time-wasters I consulted for. For me that
is evidence that he is genuine.
Would you take a regular pay-check from Adolf Hitler or Joey Stalin in a
death-factory?

I have noticed that that tech people seem to draw business types like a
magnet. The business types don't mean any harm, they just talk in friendly
tones to the tech person - then in their own interests.
On further reflection, I identify the essentials of geek and
business-predator:

Geek: A person that thinks social competency can replace either
brutality, deceit or popularity in a dishonest, rat-race culture.

Predatory Businessman: A person that thinks either deceit, brutality or
popularity (pull) can replace competency in a capitalist system
predicated on productivity rather than theft.

The only redeeming quality of this forum is it helps me identify the
precise nature and modus operandi of the evil corrupting the system.

The ugly subtext here is the rat-race premise; People are to be deceived
and bullied as means to your ends, which is making money. And money is
good however you make it, and therefore you are good however you make
your money.

Only a fool thinks they are good by doing good things for bad people.
The subconscious mind we rely on to identify and create eventually
becomes the means by which dishonest people undermine their own
motivation, as witnessed by Dave's personal problems.

And my culture, by its choice to deceive me in my naive youth, has
chosen me as its prophet rather than its workman. So be it.

Scott

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POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

Don't ever give up what you want in life. The struggle is worth it - Ayn
Rand

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"Scott Stephens" <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:5IOdnbMmZr3tSZDeRVn-2Q@comcast.com...

For a Christian altruist, you're really rather full of hate, aren't you?

Yes. I should have specified recovering Christian altruist.
I think you mean ex-Christian ex-altruist.
 
dave skrev:

snip interesting story

Two years later and my web sites are doing very well. They
may be porn but they are good porn, respectful to the models
and customers alike, and I employ 8 people.
are you going to post some link so we can evaluate? ;)


-Lasse
 
mc wrote:

"Scott Stephens" <scottxs@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:5IOdnbMmZr3tSZDeRVn-2Q@comcast.com...


For a Christian altruist, you're really rather full of hate, aren't you?

Yes. I should have specified recovering Christian altruist.


I think you mean ex-Christian ex-altruist.
Simply saying "altruist" would have sufficed.

Pop Christianity teaches a lot of self-destructive crap about forgiving
evil-doers and working for people you don't feel good about working for,
as they mock your compassion and take advantage of you, counting you as
a sucker. And teaches excuse-based, rather than an analytic style of
thinking, which enables predators to rob you in Jesus' name.

Of course you can find the same thing in the secular, atheist, communist
culture. In socialist government school. In fact thinking about my
experience in church vs. public school, I was brutalized less and found
much more compassion in church. But having a church with a moral code,
one does notice the malice as much more egregious.

At any rate, an atheist philosopher Rand identified philosophy as the
first, primitive religion, and art was her worship. Jesus Christ gave
numerous examples of of religious predators, and pagan faithful that
honored God, and said the evil theists would burn in hell, and the
righteous atheists go to heaven.

I shouldn't have used the "Christian" label which doesn't have a damn
thing to do about sorting the honest from the corrupt, and the sheep
from the goats. Suffice to say altruism is evil, whether its used as an
excuse to pay sacrifices or extort sacrifices.


Scott

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POLITICS, n.
A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce

Don't ever give up what you want in life. The struggle is worth it - Ayn
Rand

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