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Then I should be paying $2.90 for gas, plus road taxes. That leaves $.41 forElectricity costs $30 per gigajoule in Rhode Island.
Gasoline costs $30 per gigajoule in Connecticut.
That is based on 11 cents per kilowatt hour and $4 per gallon where
each liter of gas gives 34 megajoules of energy. Details at 11....
Electricity costs $30 per gigajoule in Rhode Island.
Gasoline costs $30 per gigajoule in Connecticut.
That is based on 11 cents per kilowatt hour and $4 per gallon where
each liter of gas gives 34 megajoules of energy.
Electricity is inexpensive."Globemaker"
Electricity costs $30 per gigajoule in Rhode Island.
Gasoline costs $30 per gigajoule in Connecticut.
That is based on 11 cents per kilowatt hour and $4 per gallon where
each liter of gas gives 34 megajoules of energy.
** That is much cheaper than here in Sydney, Australia.
Average electricity rates are about 22 cents per kWh and unleaded petrol is
about $1.40 per litre or $5.30 per US gallon.
The Aussie dollar is worth a few cents more the Yankee one, ATM.
Electric vehicles are still way cheaper to run cos the conversion efficiency
of the electric motors used is at least 4 times better than a normal petrol
engine.
.... Phil
And dont forget the 50+ percent loss in the generating plantOn Aug 18, 6:19 pm, "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
"Globemaker"
Electricity costs $30 per gigajoule in Rhode Island.
Gasoline costs $30 per gigajoule in Connecticut.
That is based on 11 cents per kilowatt hour and $4 per gallon where
each liter of gas gives 34 megajoules of energy.
** That is much cheaper than here in Sydney, Australia.
Average electricity rates are about 22 cents per kWh and unleaded petrol is
about $1.40 per litre or $5.30 per US gallon.
The Aussie dollar is worth a few cents more the Yankee one, ATM.
Electric vehicles are still way cheaper to run cos the conversion efficiency
of the electric motors used is at least 4 times better than a normal petrol
engine.
.... Phil
So, what is the conversion efficiency charging the battery? And how
many cycles can the battery do before it needs replacement, at what
cost?
-Bill
Yes, that makes it a favorite of the NIMBYs.Bill Bowden wrote:
On Aug 18, 6:19 pm, "Phil Allison" <phi...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
"Globemaker"
Electricity costs $30 per gigajoule in Rhode Island.
Gasoline costs $30 per gigajoule in Connecticut.
That is based on 11 cents per kilowatt hour and $4 per gallon where
each liter of gas gives 34 megajoules of energy.
** That is much cheaper than here in Sydney, Australia.
Average electricity rates are about 22 cents per kWh and unleaded petrol is
about $1.40 per litre or $5.30 per US gallon.
The Aussie dollar is worth a few cents more the Yankee one, ATM.
Electric vehicles are still way cheaper to run cos the conversion efficiency
of the electric motors used is at least 4 times better than a normal petrol
engine.
.... Phil
So, what is the conversion efficiency charging the battery? And how
many cycles can the battery do before it needs replacement, at what
cost?
-Bill
And dont forget the 50+ percent loss in the generating plant
and transportation system.
When all losses are accounted for, there is little difference
between electric and normal engines.
Main advantages of electric is: Pollution can be managed better,
I bet they wouldn't like it in -20F weather.and some like the smooth operation of an electric car.
Making it a favorite of leftists.Oh and they are heavily subsidized.
So, what is the conversion efficiency charging the battery? And how"Globemaker"
Electricity costs $30 per gigajoule in Rhode Island.
Gasoline costs $30 per gigajoule in Connecticut.
That is based on 11 cents per kilowatt hour and $4 per gallon where
each liter of gas gives 34 megajoules of energy.
** That is much cheaper than here in Sydney, Australia.
Average electricity rates are about 22 cents per kWh and unleaded petrol is
about $1.40 per litre or $5.30 per US gallon.
The Aussie dollar is worth a few cents more the Yankee one, ATM.
Electric vehicles are still way cheaper to run cos the conversion efficiency
of the electric motors used is at least 4 times better than a normal petrol
engine.
.... Phil
Which is one of the primary problems with them. Those smug, self-satisfiedOh and they are heavily subsidized.
couldn't hear it coming, so some are offering noisemakersOn Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:28:30 +0200, Sjouke Burry
and some like the smooth operation of an electric car.
I bet they wouldn't like it in -20F weather.
I've heard reports of people getting run over because they
Or reduced, or eliminated. Just because the US mostly uses coal, itMain advantages of electric is: Pollution can be managed better,
"reports of people getting run over because theyk...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:28:30 +0200, Sjouke Burry
and some like the smooth operation of an electric car.
I bet they wouldn't like it in -20F weather.
I've heard reports of people getting run over because they
couldn't hear it coming, so some are offering noisemakers
as an add-on.
http://www.google.com/search?q=electric+car+noise+generator
I'm still terribly disappointed that they haven't got flying
cars yet. Is it just an antigravity thing, or what?
Thanks!
Rich
Sure, we can follow Japan, if the green weenies would get out of the way.On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:28:30 +0200, Sjouke Burry wrote:
Main advantages of electric is: Pollution can be managed better,
Or reduced, or eliminated. Just because the US mostly uses coal, it
doesn't follow that the rest of the world does.
All you have to do is get the cost of batteries down an order of magnitude,There's also the flexibility issue; an electric vehicle doesn't care
whether the electricity comes from coal, gas, hydro, or nuclear, but
internal combustion engines can be quite fussy about their fuel.
They "cleaned up" coal plants decades ago. They brought pollution levelsOn Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:28:30 +0200, Sjouke Burry wrote:
Main advantages of electric is: Pollution can be managed better,
Or reduced, or eliminated. Just because the US mostly uses coal, it
doesn't follow that the rest of the world does.
There's also the flexibility issue; an electric vehicle doesn't care
whether the electricity comes from coal, gas, hydro, or nuclear, but
internal combustion engines can be quite fussy about their fuel.
I am such a whore!On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:17:52 +0100, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:28:30 +0200, Sjouke Burry wrote:
Main advantages of electric is: Pollution can be managed better,
Or reduced, or eliminated. Just because the US mostly uses coal, it
doesn't follow that the rest of the world does.
Sure, we can follow Japan, if the green weenies would get out of the way.
There's also the flexibility issue; an electric vehicle doesn't care
whether the electricity comes from coal, gas, hydro, or nuclear, but
internal combustion engines can be quite fussy about their fuel.
All you have to do is get the cost of batteries down an order of
magnitude, the weight down an order of magnitude, the charging time down
two orders of
magnitude, and the capacity up an order of magnitude. Well, get busy!
Why didn't you just tell him to put bigger wheels on the back, so he'd alwayskrw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:17:52 +0100, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:28:30 +0200, Sjouke Burry wrote:
Main advantages of electric is: Pollution can be managed better,
Or reduced, or eliminated. Just because the US mostly uses coal, it
doesn't follow that the rest of the world does.
Sure, we can follow Japan, if the green weenies would get out of the way.
There's also the flexibility issue; an electric vehicle doesn't care
whether the electricity comes from coal, gas, hydro, or nuclear, but
internal combustion engines can be quite fussy about their fuel.
All you have to do is get the cost of batteries down an order of
magnitude, the weight down an order of magnitude, the charging time down
two orders of
magnitude, and the capacity up an order of magnitude. Well, get busy!
I am such a whore!
I once had a client who needed some parts designed for his new electric
vehicle, and he paid me quite handsomely, thank you very much - his
revolutionary idea was to run a car alternator off the electric motor
that's driving the wheels, so that the alternator would recharge the
battery while it was under way.
Hey, he was just paying me to design parts, not to tell him that he
was a crackpot!
Right or wrong, the customer is the guy who puts food on my table!
LOL!!!On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:48:13 -0700, Rich Grise <richg@example.net.invalid
krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:17:52 +0100, Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:28:30 +0200, Sjouke Burry wrote:
Main advantages of electric is: Pollution can be managed better,
Or reduced, or eliminated. Just because the US mostly uses coal, it
doesn't follow that the rest of the world does.
Sure, we can follow Japan, if the green weenies would get out of the
way.
There's also the flexibility issue; an electric vehicle doesn't care
whether the electricity comes from coal, gas, hydro, or nuclear, but
internal combustion engines can be quite fussy about their fuel.
All you have to do is get the cost of batteries down an order of
magnitude, the weight down an order of magnitude, the charging time down
two orders of
magnitude, and the capacity up an order of magnitude. Well, get busy!
I am such a whore!
I once had a client who needed some parts designed for his new electric
vehicle, and he paid me quite handsomely, thank you very much - his
revolutionary idea was to run a car alternator off the electric motor
that's driving the wheels, so that the alternator would recharge the
battery while it was under way.
Hey, he was just paying me to design parts, not to tell him that he
was a crackpot!
Right or wrong, the customer is the guy who puts food on my table!
Why didn't you just tell him to put bigger wheels on the back, so he'd
always be rolling down hill?
Every time the us starts a war, the oil prices go up.Nobody wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:28:30 +0200, Sjouke Burry wrote:
Main advantages of electric is: Pollution can be managed better,
Or reduced, or eliminated. Just because the US mostly uses coal, it
doesn't follow that the rest of the world does.
There's also the flexibility issue; an electric vehicle doesn't care
whether the electricity comes from coal, gas, hydro, or nuclear, but
internal combustion engines can be quite fussy about their fuel.
They "cleaned up" coal plants decades ago. They brought pollution levels
down to trace levels, too small to be detected by the instruments of the
time; nowadays, they've got instruments that can pick up parts per billion,
or parts per trillion, so naturally, the freakazoids writing the regulations
have to throw everybody into a panic about such small traces of "bad stuff"
that, of course, is going to kill us all, even though the actual observable
harm has been virtually negligible.
It's just a power-trip thing. If they were serious about reducing CO2,
they'd be tripping over themselves in their haste to get onto the nuclear
bandwagon.
When "they" can come up with an electric that can go 250 miles on a
charge, then recharge in about five minutes for less than about fifty
bucks, then people will buy electrics.
In the early 1970's, I had a Ford Pinto that would go about 250 miles
on a tank, and the tank held eight gallons, so that's about 30 MPG.
And, of course, since that was before Our Glorious Beloved Infallible
Leader issued his imperial edict banning drilling in order to protect
the snail darter or whatever, gasoline was less than a buck a gallon,
if I recall accurately. I do remember full service at 32.9 in the late
1960's.
"If they were serious about reducing CO2,Nobody wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:28:30 +0200, Sjouke Burry wrote:
Main advantages of electric is: Pollution can be managed better,
Or reduced, or eliminated. Just because the US mostly uses coal, it
doesn't follow that the rest of the world does.
There's also the flexibility issue; an electric vehicle doesn't care
whether the electricity comes from coal, gas, hydro, or nuclear, but
internal combustion engines can be quite fussy about their fuel.
They "cleaned up" coal plants decades ago. They brought pollution levels
down to trace levels, too small to be detected by the instruments of the
time; nowadays, they've got instruments that can pick up parts per billion,
or parts per trillion, so naturally, the freakazoids writing the regulations
have to throw everybody into a panic about such small traces of "bad stuff"
that, of course, is going to kill us all, even though the actual observable
harm has been virtually negligible.
It's just a power-trip thing. If they were serious about reducing CO2,
they'd be tripping over themselves in their haste to get onto the nuclear
bandwagon.
When "they" can come up with an electric that can go 250 miles on a
charge, then recharge in about five minutes for less than about fifty
bucks, then people will buy electrics.
In the early 1970's, I had a Ford Pinto that would go about 250 miles
on a tank, and the tank held eight gallons, so that's about 30 MPG.
And, of course, since that was before Our Glorious Beloved Infallible
Leader issued his imperial edict banning drilling in order to protect
the snail darter or whatever, gasoline was less than a buck a gallon,
if I recall accurately. I do remember full service at 32.9 in the late
1960's.
Cheers!
Rich
Join the Nucular Bandwagon :they'd be tripping over themselves in their haste to get onto the nuclear
bandwagon."