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Phil Allison

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Hi,


this site gives continuous graphs for EACH state showing the demand in MW and spot price in MWh for electricity.


https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard


The dotted part on the right is a prediction for the next 24 hours.

The variations in spot price are insane !!

Imagine paying $14 per kWh yourself.



..... Phil
 
On 11/02/17 16:15, Phil Allison wrote:
this site gives continuous graphs for EACH state showing the demand in MW and spot price in MWh for electricity.

https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard
The dotted part on the right is a prediction for the next 24 hours.
The variations in spot price are insane !!
Imagine paying $14 per kWh yourself.
Click to expand...

Imaging how sane the market could potentially become, if the retail
pricing followed (or partly followed) the spot price - and you could
get a display that showed what your retail spot price was. It's crazy
to expect wholesalers to soak up that level of variability. Passing
it transparently on to the end-user could radically reduce the
variability in consumption.

I bet a lot more people would go and play under the sprinkler rather
than turning on the A/C.

Clifford Heath.
 
Clifford Heath wrote:
On 11/02/17 16:15, Phil Allison wrote:


this site gives continuous graphs for EACH state showing the demand in MW and spot price in MWh for electricity.

https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard
The dotted part on the right is a prediction for the next 24 hours.
The variations in spot price are insane !!
Imagine paying $14 per kWh yourself.

Imaging how sane the market could potentially become, if the retail
pricing followed (or partly followed) the spot price - and you could
get a display that showed what your retail spot price was. It's crazy
to expect wholesalers to soak up that level of variability. Passing
it transparently on to the end-user could radically reduce the
variability in consumption.

I bet a lot more people would go and play under the sprinkler rather
than turning on the A/C.
Click to expand...

** To be fair, the spot price varies by around 100 to 1 while demand only varies by an understandable 2 or 3 to 1.

The anomaly is being created by the bidding system itself.



..... Phil
 
On 11/02/2017 5:39 PM, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 11/02/17 16:15, Phil Allison wrote:
this site gives continuous graphs for EACH state showing the demand in
MW and spot price in MWh for electricity.

https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard

The dotted part on the right is a prediction for the next 24 hours.
The variations in spot price are insane !!
Imagine paying $14 per kWh yourself.

Imaging how sane the market could potentially become, if the retail
pricing followed (or partly followed) the spot price - and you could
get a display that showed what your retail spot price was. It's crazy
to expect wholesalers to soak up that level of variability. Passing
it transparently on to the end-user could radically reduce the
variability in consumption.

I bet a lot more people would go and play under the sprinkler rather
than turning on the A/C.
Click to expand...

It's not as if the retailers are paying that price for all their power,
even during the peak.

Sylvia.
 
On 11/02/2017 4:15 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
Hi,


this site gives continuous graphs for EACH state showing the demand in MW and spot price in MWh for electricity.


https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard


The dotted part on the right is a prediction for the next 24 hours.

The variations in spot price are insane !!

Imagine paying $14 per kWh yourself.
Click to expand...

**That's what you get when we allow short-sighted governments to sell
our critical infrastructure. We voted for the cunts. We got what we
deserve. The Greens fought against the sell-offs, but no one voted for
them.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
On 2017-02-11, Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> wrote:
On 11/02/17 16:15, Phil Allison wrote:
this site gives continuous graphs for EACH state showing the demand in MW and spot price in MWh for electricity.

https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard
The dotted part on the right is a prediction for the next 24 hours.
The variations in spot price are insane !!
Imagine paying $14 per kWh yourself.

Imaging how sane the market could potentially become, if the retail
pricing followed (or partly followed) the spot price - and you could
get a display that showed what your retail spot price was. It's crazy
to expect wholesalers to soak up that level of variability. Passing
it transparently on to the end-user could radically reduce the
variability in consumption.

I bet a lot more people would go and play under the sprinkler rather
than turning on the A/C.
Click to expand...

maybe 3 days a week... else the neighbours sprinkler?

--
This email has not been checked by half-arsed antivirus software
 
Tony wrote:

So what does it mean when, like last night around 2am in NSW the prices
become negative.
Click to expand...

** Didn't happened in NSW.

For a split second it happened in VIC



...... Phil
 
On 11-Feb-17 1:15 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
Hi,


this site gives continuous graphs for EACH state showing the demand in MW and spot price in MWh for electricity.


https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard


The dotted part on the right is a prediction for the next 24 hours.

The variations in spot price are insane !!

Imagine paying $14 per kWh yourself.



.... Phil
Click to expand...
This is interesting, thanks.
So what does it mean when, like last night around 2am in NSW the prices
become negative. Do you get paid for using electricity?


Tony
 
On 11/02/2017 17:39, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 11/02/17 16:15, Phil Allison wrote:
this site gives continuous graphs for EACH state showing the demand in
MW and spot price in MWh for electricity.

https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard

The dotted part on the right is a prediction for the next 24 hours.
The variations in spot price are insane !!
Imagine paying $14 per kWh yourself.

Imaging how sane the market could potentially become, if the retail
pricing followed (or partly followed) the spot price - and you could
get a display that showed what your retail spot price was.
Click to expand...

If you want to, you may be able to do that:
http://www.repositpower.com/
To participate in the market you would need to be in the right area to
deal with the energy retailer that they use. You don't need to install a
battery to use their system, and using their metering system for a while
would gather the information that would tell you what size of battery
makes economic sense for you (if any), with your consumption habits etc.
 
So what does it mean when, like last night around 2am in NSW the prices
become negative. Do you get paid for using electricity?
Click to expand...

Not so unreasonable. It goes negative because it costs a lot to reduce
the output of a coal-fired power station, and those stations can be only
run at full output if the grid will accept it. Consequently such
stations are willing to pay for the privilege of continuing to deliver
power.

Sylvia.
 
On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 1:15:24 PM UTC+8, Phil Allison wrote:
Hi,


this site gives continuous graphs for EACH state showing the demand in MW and spot price in MWh for electricity.


https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard
Click to expand...

Also similar sites for gas:
Eastern states
http://www.gasbb.com.au/
WA
https://gbbwa.aemo.com.au/#home
 
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