Effective wire AC cross sectional area

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Chris Carlen

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Greetings:

The skin depth is given by:

d = sqrt[ rho / ( pi * mu * f ) ]

where:

mu = 1.25664e-6 N/A^2
f = frequency in Hz

and for copper:

rho = 1.723e-8 ohm*m @ 20C

The current density of course does penetrate below d, so what d actually
means is the distance from the outer surface such that if the current
density were uniform (DC) but with the same net current as is present in
the AC case, then the uniform value would be equal to that found at
depth d in the AC case. Ie., d satisfies the mean value theorem for
integrals as applied to the radial current density function.


Now what happens as the wire diameter approaches the skin depth?

I was tempted to define the effective AC cross sectional area like this:

Let D = the wire diameter

The AC area should then be:

Aac = (pi/4)*D^2 - (pi/4)*(D-d)^2

Aac = (pi/4)(2*D*d - d^2)

However, when the diameter is less than twice the skin depth, then it's
basically all skin depth. One might hope that it becomes simply the
piecewise function:

Aac = (pi/4)(2*D*d - d^2) IF D > 2*d
Aac = (pi/4)*D^2 IF D <= 2*d

When plotting this function, one notices a discontinuity. For D<2*d,
the area increases parabolically with D, as expected. Then when the
D>2*d crossover kicks in, the curve jumps downward, to an area less than
the value of the DC equivalent at that diameter, and begins increasing
at an almost linear rate. This doesn't work.

A hopefully more correct way:

If one extrapolates the AC area function downward from the point of the
discontinuity, it eventually reaches a tangent point with the DC area
curve. Perhaps the correct function describing the AC equivalent area
of the conductor would then be:

Aac = (pi/4)(2*D*d - d^2) IF D > tangent point
Aac = (pi/4)*D^2 IF D <= tangent point

Now what is this tangent point? It's the solution to:

D^2 = 2*D*d - d^2

Which turns out to be d!

Interesting.

So it's not until the diameter is reduced to the skin depth, that the
current density is uniform, and the conductor may be treated simply as
it's geometric cross sectional area.

Perhaps I have no question after all.


Good day!





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Christopher R. Carlen
Principal Laser/Optical Technologist
Sandia National Laboratories CA USA
crcarle@sandia.gov -- NOTE: Remove "BOGUS" from email address to reply.
 
Chris Carlen wrote:

Greetings:

The skin depth is given by:

d = sqrt[ rho / ( pi * mu * f ) ]

where:

mu = 1.25664e-6 N/A^2
f = frequency in Hz

and for copper:

rho = 1.723e-8 ohm*m @ 20C

The current density of course does penetrate below d, so what d actually
means is the distance from the outer surface such that if the current
density were uniform (DC) but with the same net current as is present in
the AC case, then the uniform value would be equal to that found at
depth d in the AC case. Ie., d satisfies the mean value theorem for
integrals as applied to the radial current density function.

[snip]

Perhaps I have no question after all.
Interesting.
The skin effect is an exponential and the skin depth means
the current reduced to 1/e.
Again...


Rene
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Rene Tschaggelar wrote:
Chris Carlen wrote:

Greetings:

The skin depth is given by:

d = sqrt[ rho / ( pi * mu * f ) ]

where:

mu = 1.25664e-6 N/A^2
f = frequency in Hz

and for copper:

rho = 1.723e-8 ohm*m @ 20C

The current density of course does penetrate below d, so what d
actually means is the distance from the outer surface such that if the
current density were uniform (DC) but with the same net current as is
present in the AC case, then the uniform value would be equal to that
found at depth d in the AC case. Ie., d satisfies the mean value
theorem for integrals as applied to the radial current density function.



[snip]



Perhaps I have no question after all.


Interesting.
The skin effect is an exponential and the skin depth means
the current reduced to 1/e.
Again...

Ah yes, I have blundered. The 1/e point definitely doesn't satisfy the
mean value theorem. :-(

I was hoping to avoid a more thorough analysis. I don't fully
understand the discussion in my EM text, which only deals with finding
the AC resistance of a conductor where D>>d.

Ok, I'll do some more calculating. Thanks for the heads up.


Good day!


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Christopher R. Carlen
Principal Laser/Optical Technologist
Sandia National Laboratories CA USA
crcarle@sandia.gov -- NOTE: Remove "BOGUS" from email address to reply.
 
"Chris Carlen" <crcarle@BOGUS.sandia.gov> wrote

... However, when the diameter is less than twice the skin depth, then it's
basically all skin depth ...
You wouldn't happen to be looking for 'Litz Wire'?

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Just to help you along..

The exponential decay of curent versus vertical depth applies only to large
FLAT conductor surfaces. The surface of a round wire is curved.

However, at a sufficiently high frequency, when skin depth is less than
about 1/8th of wire diameter, the radius of curvature relative to skin depth
is sufficiently large to make the current think it is flowing on a flat
surface and the decay is sensibly exponential.

It turns out that the HF resistance of a round conductor when skin effect is
fully operative ( ie., when depth < Diameter/8 ) is equal to the DC
resistance of a copper tube of Diameter D and wall thickness d. Which is
easy to calculate.

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You may find the following formula useful. It applies to round copper wires,
of diameter D mm, at 20 degrees Celsius. F in MHz. It is within about 1 %
accurate at any frequency from DC upwards.

Let K = 7.566*D*Sqrt( MHz )

When K<4,

Rac / Rdc = 1 + 0.0345981*K
- 0.0895459*K^2
+ 0.0579409*K^3
+ 0.0300645*K^4
- 0.0157189*K^5
+ 0.0017724*K^6

When K>4, U = K^2 / ( 2*K - 1 + 0.6 / K^2 )

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Other useful quantities for copper wire at 20 degrees C.

DC resistance = 0.02195 / D^2 ohms per metre.

Skin depth in copper = 0.0661 / Sqrt( MHz ) millimetres.

Approx HF wire resistance, d < D/8

R = Sqrt( MHz ) / 12 / D ohms ohms per metre.
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