EEPROM speech recorder/player

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Tim Porter

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Hi all,
I've designed a circuit which will record speech from a microphone and
store it onto ROM. The circuit includes the ability to play, pause,
rewind, alter the sample rate, and reverse the output.
The circuit does NOT use a micro controller, and I dont want it to.
It uses a binary up/dn counter for generating the address lines, and
obviously a ADC and DAC for encoding/decoding, as well as some simple
logic gates and a couple of latches.
My design currently stores the speech data on an EEPROM at 16khz
sample rate, and the databus is 8 bits wide.

I have two questions:

1) Is it actually possible to program a standrd 28xxxx serires EEPROM
at this speed? In fact, whats the maximum speed these thing can be
written too?
I know they can be read very fast because ive already built a "play
only" version which requires the PROM to be pre-burnt, and i can crank
the sample rate up very high without a problem.

2) Parallel EEPROMs seem very expensive, and I have an old 8MB SIMM
lying around, but have no prior experience interfacing with them. I
found a pinout and it seems simple enough, 11 address lines and 8 data
lines.
Does it have a similar archetecture to an EEPROM? If so, I would
definatly consider using it instead.

I realise if I opt for the SIMM, the data will be lost at power down,
but this isnt a major issue.
Remember though, I dont want to use any uControllers.

Thanks to anyone who can offer their advise.

-Tim.
 
Tim Porter wrote:
Hi all,
I've designed a circuit which will record speech from a microphone and
store it onto ROM. The circuit includes the ability to play, pause,
rewind, alter the sample rate, and reverse the output.
The circuit does NOT use a micro controller, and I dont want it to.
It uses a binary up/dn counter for generating the address lines, and
obviously a ADC and DAC for encoding/decoding, as well as some simple
logic gates and a couple of latches.
My design currently stores the speech data on an EEPROM at 16khz
sample rate, and the databus is 8 bits wide.

I have two questions:

1) Is it actually possible to program a standrd 28xxxx serires EEPROM
at this speed? In fact, whats the maximum speed these thing can be
written too?
I know they can be read very fast because ive already built a "play
only" version which requires the PROM to be pre-burnt, and i can crank
the sample rate up very high without a problem.

2) Parallel EEPROMs seem very expensive, and I have an old 8MB SIMM
lying around, but have no prior experience interfacing with them. I
found a pinout and it seems simple enough, 11 address lines and 8 data
lines.
Does it have a similar archetecture to an EEPROM? If so, I would
definatly consider using it instead.

I realise if I opt for the SIMM, the data will be lost at power down,
but this isnt a major issue.
Remember though, I dont want to use any uControllers.

Thanks to anyone who can offer their advise.

-Tim.
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Sure, you can use the SIMM, but there are problems with using DRAM,
which is what a SIMM is. You need to research DRAM refreshing, and
here is a URL of a similar device that uses DRAM for a reverb/echo
using the same kind of approach as you like:

http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public/SoundSynth/Reverb/ddl.htm

You might want to use parallel cache SRAM instead, it's simpler.
I've built a bunch of stuff in the manner you suggest. Another
means of storage would be to incorporate an EPROM burner into
your design, and use the counters to burn from SRAM to EPROM.

http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public/SoundSynth/Reverb/echodig1.gif

Check out my site's EPROM refs for how-to:

http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public/EPROM/
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public/Pgmrs/EPROM/
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public/Pgmrs/EPROM/AndrewMcCubbin/_ClikMe1st.htm

-Steve
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"Tim Porter" <portertr_@_aston.ac.uk> wrote in message
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Hi all,
I've designed a circuit which will record speech from a microphone and
store it onto ROM. The circuit includes the ability to play, pause,
rewind, alter the sample rate, and reverse the output.
The circuit does NOT use a micro controller, and I dont want it to.
It uses a binary up/dn counter for generating the address lines, and
obviously a ADC and DAC for encoding/decoding, as well as some simple
logic gates and a couple of latches.
My design currently stores the speech data on an EEPROM at 16khz
sample rate, and the databus is 8 bits wide.
Click to expand...
Cool!

I have two questions:

1) Is it actually possible to program a standrd 28xxxx serires EEPROM
at this speed? In fact, whats the maximum speed these thing can be
written too?
Click to expand...
I have no idea - what does that data sheet say?

I know they can be read very fast because ive already built a "play
only" version which requires the PROM to be pre-burnt, and i can crank
the sample rate up very high without a problem.
Click to expand...
Yes, you can read with the speed of a memory bus - what's that, hundreds
of MHz these days? Well, I'd still look it up. I don't know how fast
EEPROMs are.

2) Parallel EEPROMs seem very expensive, and I have an old 8MB SIMM
lying around, but have no prior experience interfacing with them. I
found a pinout and it seems simple enough, 11 address lines and 8 data
lines.
Does it have a similar archetecture to an EEPROM? If so, I would
definatly consider using it instead.
Click to expand...
I'm not that familiar with SIMMS, but I'm ass-u-me-ing that they're
dynamic RAM, and personally I wouldn't want to try to interface a
dynamic RAM.

I realise if I opt for the SIMM, the data will be lost at power down,
but this isnt a major issue.
Remember though, I dont want to use any uControllers.
Click to expand...
Then I _really_ wouldn't recommend dynamic RAM. Have you looked into
CMOS static RAM? I just did a quick google search, and here's something:
http://www.ociw.edu/instrumentation/ccd/parts/CY7C1049.pdf
Here's a search page:
http://www.google.com/search?q=cmos+static+ram&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&start=20&sa=N
And here's some other stuff:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=28xxxx+eeprom

I was also thinking: what kind of and size of chips are you using now?

Cheers!
Rich
 
"Rich Grise" <null@example.net> wrote in message
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"Tim Porter" <portertr_@_aston.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:hchnb05mr08a759okfcutmrllc7j9aen8o@4ax.com...
Hi all,
I've designed a circuit which will record speech from a microphone and
store it onto ROM. The circuit includes the ability to play, pause,
rewind, alter the sample rate, and reverse the output.
The circuit does NOT use a micro controller, and I dont want it to.
It uses a binary up/dn counter for generating the address lines, and
obviously a ADC and DAC for encoding/decoding, as well as some simple
logic gates and a couple of latches.
My design currently stores the speech data on an EEPROM at 16khz
sample rate, and the databus is 8 bits wide.

Cool!
Click to expand...
BTDT, for a friend many years ago (I used my PC to record the sound). I
clocked it with a 555, with a frequency control pot.

I have two questions:

1) Is it actually possible to program a standrd 28xxxx serires EEPROM
at this speed? In fact, whats the maximum speed these thing can be
written too?

I have no idea - what does that data sheet say?
Click to expand...
last time I programmed a 1Mx8 EPROM it took a few 10s of seconds. look up
quick-charging algorithms.

I know they can be read very fast because ive already built a "play
only" version which requires the PROM to be pre-burnt, and i can crank
the sample rate up very high without a problem.

Yes, you can read with the speed of a memory bus - what's that, hundreds
of MHz these days? Well, I'd still look it up. I don't know how fast
EEPROMs are.

2) Parallel EEPROMs seem very expensive, and I have an old 8MB SIMM
lying around, but have no prior experience interfacing with them. I
found a pinout and it seems simple enough, 11 address lines and 8 data
lines.
Does it have a similar archetecture to an EEPROM? If so, I would
definatly consider using it instead.

I'm not that familiar with SIMMS, but I'm ass-u-me-ing that they're
dynamic RAM, and personally I wouldn't want to try to interface a
dynamic RAM.
Click to expand...
You can use DRAMs the easy way - with a microcontroller. DIY muxing,
refreshing - just re-arrange rows and columns such that reading the low 2^n
bytes refreshes the whole ram. I have done this myself, after pinching the
idea from an Elektor printer buffer design in the late 80s.


I realise if I opt for the SIMM, the data will be lost at power down,
but this isnt a major issue.
Remember though, I dont want to use any uControllers.

Then I _really_ wouldn't recommend dynamic RAM. Have you looked into
CMOS static RAM? I just did a quick google search, and here's something:
http://www.ociw.edu/instrumentation/ccd/parts/CY7C1049.pdf
Here's a search page:

http://www.google.com/search?q=cmos+static+ram&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&start=20&s
Click to expand...
a=N
And here's some other stuff:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=28xxxx+eeprom

I was also thinking: what kind of and size of chips are you using now?

Cheers!
Rich
Click to expand...
Cheers
Terry
 
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I was also thinking: what kind of and size of chips are you using now?
Click to expand...
The 'play only' version I built uses a 27x512 EPROM.
If I use 8khz sample rate it'll hold 8 seconds of audio.

Thanks to everyone who offered pointers for my project, I like the
look of SRAM now, and a 1M chip is around Ł7 here, so thats fine.

-Tim.

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"Tim Porter" <portertr_@_aston.ac.uk> wrote in message
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snip
I was also thinking: what kind of and size of chips are you using now?

The 'play only' version I built uses a 27x512 EPROM.
If I use 8khz sample rate it'll hold 8 seconds of audio.

Thanks to everyone who offered pointers for my project, I like the
look of SRAM now, and a 1M chip is around Ł7 here, so thats fine.

-Tim.
Click to expand...
FWIW, I just picked up a Panasonic IC recorder for about $50 at Fry's.
It claims it will record up to 8 hrs 10 min!

Good Luck!
Rich
 
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