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The problem with rooftop PV is in the future, just wait. In several years,
people will find their inverters tripping out due to problems with the PV
cells, probably the interconnections resulting from thermal cycling or
moisture ingress. Or the power output will just steadily decline. Then these
arrays will start to hit the rubbish tips, hundreds of tonnes of glass,
flimsy metal backing and silicon. How many of these initially enthusiastic
proponents will pay for replacement, even at the new, lower per unit prices,
given that the government incentives may have long since been abandoned. The
point here is that these systems have a limited life, and you need to manage
them through multiple failure and replacement phases. That costs money, and
is troublesome to people who only want to provide a credit card number, they
don't want to get involved with the messy business of scrapping and
replacing hardware.

Just like now, society is going to want no-fuss energy, which means a pair
of wires with a guaranteed voltage across it, year in year out. That means
someone else managing the generation. OK, the scale may change, but the
'someone else' is the important aspect. People are well and truly prepared
to pay slaves to look after the provision of electricity to their home,
THAT'S the misconception with rooftop PV.
 
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The problem with rooftop PV is in the future, just wait. In several years,
people will find their inverters tripping out due to problems with the PV
cells, probably the interconnections resulting from thermal cycling or
moisture ingress. Or the power output will just steadily decline. Then these
arrays will start to hit the rubbish tips, hundreds of tonnes of glass,
flimsy metal backing and silicon. How many of these initially enthusiastic
proponents will pay for replacement, even at the new, lower per unit prices,
given that the government incentives may have long since been abandoned. The
point here is that these systems have a limited life, and you need to manage
them through multiple failure and replacement phases. That costs money, and
is troublesome to people who only want to provide a credit card number, they
don't want to get involved with the messy business of scrapping and
replacing hardware.

Just like now, society is going to want no-fuss energy, which means a pair
of wires with a guaranteed voltage across it, year in year out. That means
someone else managing the generation. OK, the scale may change, but the
'someone else' is the important aspect. People are well and truly prepared
to pay slaves to look after the provision of electricity to their home,
THAT'S the misconception with rooftop PV.
I'm interested to see what happens when someone with a rooftop PV system
is suddenly overshadowed by a nearby development, and their PV system no
longer generates anywhere near as much as before. Is there a material
case for damages here?
 
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:05:41 GMT, Swanny <swanny@nospam.org> wrote:

Bruce Varley wrote:
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The problem with rooftop PV is in the future, just wait. In several years,
people will find their inverters tripping out due to problems with the PV
cells, probably the interconnections resulting from thermal cycling or
moisture ingress. Or the power output will just steadily decline. Then these
arrays will start to hit the rubbish tips, hundreds of tonnes of glass,
flimsy metal backing and silicon. How many of these initially enthusiastic
proponents will pay for replacement, even at the new, lower per unit prices,
given that the government incentives may have long since been abandoned. The
point here is that these systems have a limited life, and you need to manage
them through multiple failure and replacement phases. That costs money, and
is troublesome to people who only want to provide a credit card number, they
don't want to get involved with the messy business of scrapping and
replacing hardware.

Just like now, society is going to want no-fuss energy, which means a pair
of wires with a guaranteed voltage across it, year in year out. That means
someone else managing the generation. OK, the scale may change, but the
'someone else' is the important aspect. People are well and truly prepared
to pay slaves to look after the provision of electricity to their home,
THAT'S the misconception with rooftop PV.



I'm interested to see what happens when someone with a rooftop PV system
is suddenly overshadowed by a nearby development, and their PV system no
longer generates anywhere near as much as before. Is there a material
case for damages here?

Ive asked this very question many times from the local Govt authority
where I live , and simply cant get any straight answer.
The problem will be who is liable for the damages.
If the overshadowing is caused by a building whch has planning
approval, then essentially you would have to seek the damages from the

Govt planning authority.
Not much chance here.

With the issue of Solar Panels / Inverters failing and having to be
replaced, the Govt subsidies only apply once.
They dont apply for replacement for failed components.
This is where so called warranties fom Chinese manufacturers will be
tested.
 
On Dec 10, 6:05 am, Swanny <swa...@nospam.org> wrote:
Bruce Varley wrote:
"tomomo" <mandol...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Earth-4Energy Review!!!

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The problem with rooftop PV is in the future, just wait. In several years,
people will find their inverters tripping out due to problems with the PV
cells, probably the interconnections resulting from thermal cycling or
moisture ingress. Or the power output will just steadily decline. Then these
arrays will start to hit the rubbish tips, hundreds of tonnes of glass,
flimsy metal backing and silicon. How many of these initially enthusiastic
proponents will pay for replacement, even at the new, lower per unit prices,
given that the government incentives may have long since been abandoned. The
point here is that these systems have a limited life, and you need to manage
them through multiple failure and replacement phases. That costs money, and
is troublesome to people who only want to provide a credit card number, they
don't want to get involved with the messy business of scrapping and
replacing hardware.

Just like now, society is going to want no-fuss energy, which means a pair
of wires with a guaranteed voltage across it, year in year out. That means
someone else managing the generation. OK, the scale may change, but the
'someone else' is the important aspect. People are well and truly prepared
to pay slaves to look after the provision of electricity to their home,
THAT'S the misconception with rooftop PV.

I'm interested to see what happens when someone with a rooftop PV system
is suddenly overshadowed by a nearby development, and their PV system no
longer generates anywhere near as much as before. Is there a material
case for damages here?

Was at the Sunshine Plaza shopping centre yesterday at Maroochydore.
At one of the entrances to Car Park D, I noticed a solar panel
situated right under a large shady tree !!. It would basically get
no direct light during the day and a total WOFTAM. Either it was put
there 20 years back before the tree got so huge, or it was installed
by a complete and utter moron.


Similar could also happen if a large tree grew in a neighbours yard
and overshadowed a PV array.
 
kreed wrote:
On Dec 10, 6:05 am, Swanny <swa...@nospam.org> wrote:
Bruce Varley wrote:
"tomomo" <mandol...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:46c3c13a-4851-46a8-a13d-276c8effd116@u16g2000pru.googlegroups.com...
Earth-4Energy Review!!!
Read My Independent Review Of
Earth-4Energy & Decide For Yourself!
http://earth-4energy-review.123probiz.com
To your SUCCESS :)
tomomo
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http://www.gogonai.info/?id:marketing
The problem with rooftop PV is in the future, just wait. In several years,
people will find their inverters tripping out due to problems with the PV
cells, probably the interconnections resulting from thermal cycling or
moisture ingress. Or the power output will just steadily decline. Then these
arrays will start to hit the rubbish tips, hundreds of tonnes of glass,
flimsy metal backing and silicon. How many of these initially enthusiastic
proponents will pay for replacement, even at the new, lower per unit prices,
given that the government incentives may have long since been abandoned. The
point here is that these systems have a limited life, and you need to manage
them through multiple failure and replacement phases. That costs money, and
is troublesome to people who only want to provide a credit card number, they
don't want to get involved with the messy business of scrapping and
replacing hardware.
Just like now, society is going to want no-fuss energy, which means a pair
of wires with a guaranteed voltage across it, year in year out. That means
someone else managing the generation. OK, the scale may change, but the
'someone else' is the important aspect. People are well and truly prepared
to pay slaves to look after the provision of electricity to their home,
THAT'S the misconception with rooftop PV.
I'm interested to see what happens when someone with a rooftop PV system
is suddenly overshadowed by a nearby development, and their PV system no
longer generates anywhere near as much as before. Is there a material
case for damages here?


Was at the Sunshine Plaza shopping centre yesterday at Maroochydore.
At one of the entrances to Car Park D, I noticed a solar panel
situated right under a large shady tree !!. It would basically get
no direct light during the day and a total WOFTAM. Either it was put
there 20 years back before the tree got so huge, or it was installed
by a complete and utter moron.


Similar could also happen if a large tree grew in a neighbours yard
and overshadowed a PV array.
Yes, not only for PV, but also solar HW systems. In NSW the Basix
mandates certain energy targets be met for approval to develop. However
there's nothing covering the interaction of nearby developments on the
overall energy target. So you could install a system that could meet the
targets if it was exposed to sunlight, however has no chance of meeting
them because of overshadowing. Oh, and the local council won't let you
cut down any trees to alleviate the overshadowing either.
 
Swanny wrote:
Yes, not only for PV, but also solar HW systems. In NSW the Basix
mandates certain energy targets be met for approval to develop.
However there's nothing covering the interaction of nearby
developments on the overall energy target. So you could install a
system that could meet the targets if it was exposed to sunlight,
however has no chance of meeting them because of overshadowing. Oh,
and the local council won't let you cut down any trees to alleviate
the overshadowing either.
In our neighbourhood the stupid council rip'em out whether you like it or
not. This is just a few streets away from me:
http://hills-shire-times.whereilive.com.au/news/story/what-happened-to-our-trees/

Dave.

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On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:17:35 +0000, Swanny wrote:

Yes, not only for PV, but also solar HW systems. In NSW the Basix
mandates certain energy targets be met for approval to develop. However
there's nothing covering the interaction of nearby developments on the
overall energy target. So you could install a system that could meet the
targets if it was exposed to sunlight, however has no chance of meeting
them because of overshadowing. Oh, and the local council won't let you
cut down any trees to alleviate the overshadowing either.
I would much rather have the trees. It would cost me far more to air-con
the house if they were removed than the extra electricity generated.
 
terryc wrote:
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:17:35 +0000, Swanny wrote:

Yes, not only for PV, but also solar HW systems. In NSW the Basix
mandates certain energy targets be met for approval to develop. However
there's nothing covering the interaction of nearby developments on the
overall energy target. So you could install a system that could meet the
targets if it was exposed to sunlight, however has no chance of meeting
them because of overshadowing. Oh, and the local council won't let you
cut down any trees to alleviate the overshadowing either.

I would much rather have the trees. It would cost me far more to air-con
the house if they were removed than the extra electricity generated.
Unless they are the wrong trees in the wrong place.
Interesting how you immediately jump to aircon as being the solution.
 

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