E-Meter?

[Death to Smoochy]

Does anybody know of a web site that publishes the design parameters of the
Scientologists' e-meter?

 

[Zak]

Death to Smoochy wrote:

Does anybody know of a web site that publishes the design parameters of the
Scientologists' e-meter?

Google is your friend. e-meter schematic.


Thomas

 

[Boris Mohar]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 05:43:40 GMT, Death to Smoochy <#@&.$> wrote:

Does anybody know of a web site that publishes the design parameters of the
Scientologists' e-meter?

It is same as the one for b-meter.

--

Boris Mohar

 

[Death to Smoochy]

Boris Mohar <borism_-void-_@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:r8uq31drkc2l656rl6686lnuipmsc2nhbo@4ax.com:

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 05:43:40 GMT, Death to Smoochy <#@&.$> wrote:


Does anybody know of a web site that publishes the design parameters
of the Scientologists' e-meter?

It is same as the one for b-meter.

What does the 'b' stand for?

 

[Death to Smoochy]

Zak <jute@zak.invalid> wrote in
news:423d2d4b$0$15788$756600cd@cachenews.cambrium.nl:

Death to Smoochy wrote:

Does anybody know of a web site that publishes the design parameters
of the Scientologists' e-meter?

Google is your friend. e-meter schematic.

It's really a g-meter, measuring galvanic skin response.

The schematic is trivial. I want the ranges of the sensor and the
amplifier.

http://www.clearingtech.net/prices.html

Does anybody else think $795 is too expensive for a two cans and a volt
meter?

 

[Mark Jones]

Death to Smoochy wrote:

Boris Mohar <borism_-void-_@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:r8uq31drkc2l656rl6686lnuipmsc2nhbo@4ax.com:


On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 05:43:40 GMT, Death to Smoochy <#@&.$> wrote:


Does anybody know of a web site that publishes the design parameters
of the Scientologists' e-meter?

It is same as the one for b-meter.


What does the 'b' stand for?

Maybe that should be bs-meter.

 

[Don Taylor]

Death to Smoochy <#@&.$> writes:

Zak <jute@zak.invalid> wrote in
news:423d2d4b$0$15788$756600cd@cachenews.cambrium.nl:
Death to Smoochy wrote:
Does anybody know of a web site that publishes the design parameters
of the Scientologists' e-meter?

Google is your friend. e-meter schematic.

It's really a g-meter, measuring galvanic skin response.

The schematic is trivial. I want the ranges of the sensor and the
amplifier.

http://www.clearingtech.net/prices.html

Does anybody else think $795 is too expensive for a two cans and a volt
meter?

Decades ago I moved into an apartment where the previous tenant had
apparently been a member of some substantial standing. A catalog
appeared in my mailbox. This wasn't sealed and I paged through it.
It provided a list of all the levels of classes for members to work
through and gave all the prices. $795 is a TINY fraction of the cost,
even two decades ago!

I think the catalog was sent bulk rate and I discarded it.

 

[Boris Mohar]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:05:33 -0500, Mark Jones <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote:

Death to Smoochy wrote:
Boris Mohar <borism_-void-_@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:r8uq31drkc2l656rl6686lnuipmsc2nhbo@4ax.com:


On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 05:43:40 GMT, Death to Smoochy <#@&.$> wrote:


Does anybody know of a web site that publishes the design parameters
of the Scientologists' e-meter?

It is same as the one for b-meter.


What does the 'b' stand for?


Maybe that should be bs-meter.

And use extra bandwidth?

--

Boris Mohar

 

[Death to Smoochy]

dont@agora.rdrop.com (Don Taylor) wrote in newsMudnc9rh4MrXqDfRVn-
2g@scnresearch.com:

Decades ago I moved into an apartment where the previous tenant had
apparently been a member of some substantial standing. A catalog
appeared in my mailbox. This wasn't sealed and I paged through it.
It provided a list of all the levels of classes for members to work
through and gave all the prices. $795 is a TINY fraction of the cost,
even two decades ago!

Scientologists have an unpleasant reputation for gouging their members
for their "services." Their offer of the option of working off your
debt directly leads to their reputation as cultists, because their
classes run up yur debt so fast that everybody gets in waay over their
heads.

So Scientology has become the domain of the wealthy only, in this case
Hollywood actors. If you can afford it, you just pay your bills and get
your "psychotherapy," but if you're poor, you're caught in their
spider's web.

The sad thing is that their auditing seems to work. Its basis is to
interview subjects hooked up to g-meters, while asking probing questions
about the subject's youth and relationships with important people. They
probe until they find all your sensitive spots and then start working at
them.

I don't know what sort of coaching they give, but they coach and probe
and coach and probe until you stop overreacting to having your buttons
pushed. Then you're pronounced "clear," which is just their proprietary
jargon for mentally healthy.

It seems to me that the normal mental health industry could learn a lot
from those guys. Real publications in psychology journals are long
overdue, and should have been done in the fifties.

But for an honest price of $800, they could hook their g-meter up to an
oscilloscope and record time data of the interview, like polygraph
examiners do. They seem to be falling behind the times.

Their usurious prices inhibit the technological advancement of their
machinery, by pricing most customers out of the market. It destroys
incentive to retain market share by improving the product.

 

[Death to Smoochy]

Mark Jones <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote in news:Cpidnem3jN3zJqDfRVn-sA@buckeye-
express.com:

Maybe that should be bs-meter.

LOL. Perhaps it should be the BM meter.

But seriously, the meter works. It's the members who use it to mind-rape
the newbies. The meter is just an amoral machine. It's the hyper-
unethical values of the so-called practitioners that make Scientology a
cult, not the gizmo. This is what happens when powerful mind control
techniques are put into the hands of ignorant, unprincipled, greedy,
defensive zealots.

Jeez, I hope they're not listening.

 

[Don Taylor]

Death to Smoochy <#@&.$> writes:

dont@agora.rdrop.com (Don Taylor) wrote in newsMudnc9rh4MrXqDfRVn-
2g@scnresearch.com:
Decades ago I moved into an apartment where the previous tenant had
apparently been a member of some substantial standing. A catalog
appeared in my mailbox. This wasn't sealed and I paged through it.
It provided a list of all the levels of classes for members to work
through and gave all the prices. $795 is a TINY fraction of the cost,
even two decades ago!

Scientologists have an unpleasant reputation for gouging their members
for their "services." Their offer of the option of working off your
debt directly leads to their reputation as cultists, because their
classes run up yur debt so fast that everybody gets in waay over their
heads.

I didn't want to say anything critical about them.

If I remember, I think the catalog did describe a lower cost option
where beginners practiced on each other, and the high priced option
where you paid for the attention and services of more experienced
people. But neither of those were free. However, that was a long
time ago and I have no knowledge what things might be like today.

And again, I not a critic. Just reporting now ancient information.

So Scientology has become the domain of the wealthy only, in this case
Hollywood actors. If you can afford it, you just pay your bills and get
your "psychotherapy," but if you're poor, you're caught in their
spider's web.

The sad thing is that their auditing seems to work. Its basis is to
interview subjects hooked up to g-meters, while asking probing questions
about the subject's youth and relationships with important people. They
probe until they find all your sensitive spots and then start working at
them.

I think that in more conventional therapy lots of ideas seem to work
well enough that people keep doing them. Martin Seligman has an
interesting paragraph in "What You Can Change and What You Can't"
about how even if someone questions your methods in court it is
likely that you can find someone who will defend your practice.

I don't know what sort of coaching they give, but they coach and probe
and coach and probe until you stop overreacting to having your buttons
pushed. Then you're pronounced "clear," which is just their proprietary
jargon for mentally healthy.

I think I recall multiple new levels being named above "clear", perhaps
because enough had gotten there and needed new heights to achieve.

It seems to me that the normal mental health industry could learn a lot
from those guys. Real publications in psychology journals are long
overdue, and should have been done in the fifties.

We certainly need some substantial advance in the therapy business.
And pharmacuticals aren't yet the answer to all these problems.

But for an honest price of $800, they could hook their g-meter up to an
oscilloscope and record time data of the interview, like polygraph
examiners do. They seem to be falling behind the times.

Their usurious prices inhibit the technological advancement of their
machinery, by pricing most customers out of the market. It destroys
incentive to retain market share by improving the product.

This makes me think of the diet industry in this country, the customers
can't get out of it and just keep paying, in cash and otherwise.

But I'm not cricizing scientologists, I don't want to go there.

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Death to Smoochy <#@&.$> wrote (in
<Xns962095909B28abcdefghijklmonpqrst@151.164.30.44&gt about 'a certain
sort of Meter?', on Mon, 21 Mar 2005:

Mark Jones <abuse@127.0.0.1> wrote in news:Cpidnem3jN3zJqDfRVn-sA@buckeye-
express.com:

Jeez, I hope they're not listening.

Subject line changed for obvious reasons

It is certainly alleged that there are automatic monitors scanning the
net for the S... word and other key expressions and recording all the
messages and mentions.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Death to Smoochy]

dont@agora.rdrop.com (Don Taylor) wrote in
news:lPKdnSmnt42M4aPfRVn-pA@scnresearch.com:

I didn't want to say anything critical about them.

You may need to protect yourself with a clever alias.

If I remember, I think the catalog did describe a lower cost option
where beginners practiced on each other, and the high priced option
where you paid for the attention and services of more experienced
people. But neither of those were free. However, that was a long
time ago and I have no knowledge what things might be like today.

I wonder if you can get the sensors, without the gauge.

And again, I not a critic. Just reporting now ancient information.

They're a pretty big group, so the organization may move slowly.

I think that in more conventional therapy lots of ideas seem to work
well enough that people keep doing them. Martin Seligman has an
interesting paragraph in "What You Can Change and What You Can't"

The field of psychology doesn't seem to advance very quickly. Or
perhaps that's the field of therapy, much of which is simply teaching
patients things every therapist knows.

about how even if someone questions your methods in court it is
likely that you can find someone who will defend your practice.

If you pay for the testimony, you can probably get people to say
anything.

I think I recall multiple new levels being named above "clear",
perhaps because enough had gotten there and needed new heights to
achieve.

Sounds like an addiction.

We certainly need some substantial advance in the therapy business.
And pharmacuticals aren't yet the answer to all these problems.

Are you a therapist?

But for an honest price of $800, they could hook their g-meter up to
an oscilloscope and record time data of the interview, like polygraph
examiners do. They seem to be falling behind the times.

Nothing about oscilloscopes?

This makes me think of the diet industry in this country, the
customers can't get out of it and just keep paying, in cash and
otherwise.

I don't follow.

 

[Death to Smoochy]

John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in
news:tqu+csBRwoPCFwMw@jmwa.demon.co.uk:

Jeez, I hope they're not listening.

Protect yourself with a snappy alias!

Subject line changed for obvious reasons

How's that for obfuscation?

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Don Taylor <dont@agora.rdrop.com>
wrote (in <846dnSM9abrUbaLfRVn-qQ@scnresearch.com&gt about 'E-Meter?', on
Tue, 22 Mar 2005:

Could we build a plausibly priced gadget that would reliably tell a vet
whether a pet was in pain or not, perhaps even where?

Current methods work reasonably well for the higher vertebrates. For
insects, Arachnidae and fish - good luck!

Could we build a cheap garage prototype microtesla magnetic field
generator, ala Dr. Michael Persinger, but which would have a much
greater degree of control over the shape and position of the field than
what he has thus far published?

What's this about? Magnetic fields are (one of) my field. What shape and
position would you like? (;-)

Could we find a way to confirm or refute my hypothesis that most of
tinnitus is a failure in the automatic gain control system that is
built into the auditory system?

Failure of the AGC manifests as 'recruitment', I think. But I agree that
the ear/brain system can be quite reasonably modelled as an array of
narrow-band amplifiers with AGC, and defective amplifiers can become
noisy in many ways.

Could we find a way to modestly speed up or slow down nerve conduction
in the limbs only on one side of the body, that would be constant and
could be applied for a relatively long period of time and would not
cause any other changes?

I think you need a tricorder to do that.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Dave VanHorn]

I didn't want to say anything critical about them.

Considering their "fair game" policy, that's a common reaction.
http://www.xenu.net/fairgame-e.html

I think I recall multiple new levels being named above "clear", perhaps
because enough had gotten there and needed new heights to achieve.

A never ending series of new and expensive levels to achieve.
OT-3 is the one where you find out that you were brought to earth by Xenu.
http://www.xenu.net/archive/secret.html

But I'm not cricizing scientologists, I don't want to go there.

BTDT, got the threat letter from their lawyer.

 

[Don Taylor]

John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> writes:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Don Taylor <dont@agora.rdrop.com
wrote (in <846dnSM9abrUbaLfRVn-qQ@scnresearch.com&gt about 'E-Meter?', on
Tue, 22 Mar 2005:

Could we build a plausibly priced gadget that would reliably tell a vet
whether a pet was in pain or not, perhaps even where?

Current methods work reasonably well for the higher vertebrates. For
insects, Arachnidae and fish - good luck!

Really. Limiting this to higher vertebrates, what are the "current
methods" that you are thinking of? Having observed this a bit, maybe
I've just missed something someone is using. You look at a cat, the
cat doesn't seem like it wants to tell you if something is hurting
or where it is hurting, unless you start prodding with your fingers
and look for a flinch, or perhaps withdraw and go wash the blood off
your fingers as one vet did when trying this on Jack for the first time.
That seems a lot less than would be interesting to know.

Could we build a cheap garage prototype microtesla magnetic field
generator, ala Dr. Michael Persinger, but which would have a much
greater degree of control over the shape and position of the field than
what he has thus far published?

What's this about? Magnetic fields are (one of) my field. What shape and
position would you like? (;-)

Persinger is applying varying low level magnetic fields to the temporal
region and publishing a variety of results. But he admits in print that
the current techniques of a handful of reed relay coils strapped to the
head, a short iron rod slipped into the core of each and a few d-to-a to
drive these still means it is prodding in the dark. I don't know how
fine a "probe" could be constructed to try tickling particular regions.

Being able to put a field of a few microtesla, varying in what looks to
me a lot like a pseudorandom pattern, in an area perhaps the size of a
pencil or perhaps the size of your finger, and move that around slowly
in the temporal region would probably be a great start.

Could we find a way to confirm or refute my hypothesis that most of
tinnitus is a failure in the automatic gain control system that is
built into the auditory system?

Failure of the AGC manifests as 'recruitment', I think. But I agree that
the ear/brain system can be quite reasonably modelled as an array of
narrow-band amplifiers with AGC, and defective amplifiers can become
noisy in many ways.

Short term exposure to loud noise shows temporary tinnitus like symptoms
afterwards. Long term can result in some being labelled tinnitus. But
an accepted and testable mechanism for tinnitus, other than very special
unusual sub-cases, doesn't seem like it has been found yet. If we
could pretty clearly point to evidence of a particular mechanism, even
in one or a few subjects, maybe someone could think of a cute method
to counteract that. But without any mechanism we are still groping.

Could we find a way to modestly speed up or slow down nerve conduction
in the limbs only on one side of the body, that would be constant and
could be applied for a relatively long period of time and would not
cause any other changes?

I think you need a tricorder to do that.

Naaa... no need to invoke Star Trek to say something can't be done.

I have a few papers buried here somewhere, one where they were able
to fuse amphibian embryos at the 4 cell stage and end up with some
normal adult amphibians, where 1/2 the body was from one embryo and
the other from the other. Slip in a mutation for thinner or thicker
myelin on the nerves and that would be one way.

But there might be some better way than that, less open to questions
about other changes being induced at the same time. There are external
things we can do to a limb that can change nerve conduction rate in one
limb but they leave the door open for the same questions. Looking for
a really cute solution, that can be measured and used consistently.

Not trying to abuse test subjects, well other than perhaps myself,
with any of this.

I remember a guy who almost made a career of publishing little teaser
articles on his study of bat ultrasound production. Every paper gave
a tiny bit of information, with promises that the next paper would
reveal the real scoop. None of them seemed to really provide the
answers. But worse, in my opinion, the things he tried didn't seem
to have that elegant brilliant idea to narrow this down, at least
until he thought of having the bat breathe a bit of helium and then
measure the frequency. That seemed like the first really cute idea
that he had, and it didn't even carve up any more little guys in the
process. And I believe the helium paper was actually surprising
because it didn't give the change in frequency you might expect if
this was a resonant cavity. But it has been a while and I may have
mixed up the details.

Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

thanks
don

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Don Taylor <dont@agora.rdrop.com>
wrote (in <g9udnaaWA8-dyd3fRVn-3w@scnresearch.com&gt about 'E-Meter?', on
Tue, 22 Mar 2005:

Really. Limiting this to higher vertebrates, what are the "current
methods" that you are thinking of? Having observed this a bit, maybe
I've just missed something someone is using.

Maybe not, just underestimating how much an experience vet can Sherlock
out of small signs. I would emphasise that I am not a vet.

You look at a cat, the cat doesn't seem like it wants to tell you if
something is hurting or where it is hurting,

Yes, cats can be rather difficult. But the drill is just as for human
people; look first. Eyes can signal pain quite well. Elevated
heart-rate, rapid breathing, prostration - all these signs are
indicative.

unless you start prodding with your fingers and look for a flinch,

Palpation is the next step, AFTER visual observation, I believe.
Observation can give a good steer to where the pain is, and its nature.
Abdominal pain can be difficult, of course, but, for instance, in an
elderly cat, kidney and bladder trouble can be indicated by an inability
to micturate. Pain due to skeletal trauma can be indicated by
characteristic posture.

or perhaps withdraw and go wash the blood off your fingers as one vet
did when trying this on Jack for the first time.

Cats, however apparently friendly and tolerant, should always be
constrained in a rubber boot, IMHO.

That seems a lot less than would be interesting to know.

Could we build a cheap garage prototype microtesla magnetic field
generator, ala Dr. Michael Persinger, but which would have a much
greater degree of control over the shape and position of the field than
what he has thus far published?

What's this about? Magnetic fields are (one of) my field. What shape and
position would you like? (;-)

Persinger is applying varying low level magnetic fields to the temporal
region and publishing a variety of results. But he admits in print
that the current techniques of a handful of reed relay coils strapped
to the head, a short iron rod slipped into the core of each and a few
d-to-a to drive these still means it is prodding in the dark. I don't
know how fine a "probe" could be constructed to try tickling particular
regions.

Ah, I don't want to go there. I think it's far too dangerous.

Being able to put a field of a few microtesla, varying in what looks to
me a lot like a pseudorandom pattern, in an area perhaps the size of a
pencil or perhaps the size of your finger, and move that around slowly
in the temporal region would probably be a great start.

Could we find a way to confirm or refute my hypothesis that most of
tinnitus is a failure in the automatic gain control system that is
built into the auditory system?

Failure of the AGC manifests as 'recruitment', I think. But I agree that
the ear/brain system can be quite reasonably modelled as an array of
narrow-band amplifiers with AGC, and defective amplifiers can become
noisy in many ways.

Short term exposure to loud noise shows temporary tinnitus like
symptoms afterwards. Long term can result in some being labelled
tinnitus. But an accepted and testable mechanism for tinnitus, other
than very special unusual sub-cases, doesn't seem like it has been
found yet. If we could pretty clearly point to evidence of a
particular mechanism, even in one or a few subjects, maybe someone
could think of a cute method to counteract that. But without any
mechanism we are still groping.

I'm not sure that increased understanding of the mechanism would help.
The structures involved are very small indeed. Knowing that the noise is
due to Q9 in an SMD op-amp is not much help if you can't change the
whole op-amp because the PCB is potted, and the ear stuff is around 1000
times smaller, and potted in rather sensitive material!

Could we find a way to modestly speed up or slow down nerve conduction
in the limbs only on one side of the body, that would be constant and
could be applied for a relatively long period of time and would not
cause any other changes?

I think you need a tricorder to do that.

Naaa... no need to invoke Star Trek to say something can't be done.

Lighten up!

I have a few papers buried here somewhere, one where they were able to
fuse amphibian embryos at the 4 cell stage and end up with some normal
adult amphibians, where 1/2 the body was from one embryo and the other
from the other. Slip in a mutation for thinner or thicker myelin on
the nerves and that would be one way.

Oh, yes, you could do it with chimeras. Now, as it happens, about half
the human population has chimera potential. It's been known for a long
time that females have two X chromosomes, but it was assumed that only
one was active. That's been found not to be true; in many women, both
are active, but in different cells. On-going studies suggest that the
situation in any given female may be quite complex.

Now if one half of a woman has thinner myelin than the other, can that
half run faster? (;-)

But there might be some better way than that, less open to questions
about other changes being induced at the same time. There are external
things we can do to a limb that can change nerve conduction rate in one
limb but they leave the door open for the same questions. Looking for
a really cute solution, that can be measured and used consistently.

Not trying to abuse test subjects, well other than perhaps myself, with
any of this.

I remember a guy who almost made a career of publishing little teaser
articles on his study of bat ultrasound production. Every paper gave a
tiny bit of information, with promises that the next paper would reveal
the real scoop. None of them seemed to really provide the answers.

This is very like the current position on objective measurement of
speech intelligibility

But worse, in my opinion, the things he tried didn't seem to have that
elegant brilliant idea to narrow this down, at least until he thought
of having the bat breathe a bit of helium and then measure the
frequency. That seemed like the first really cute idea that he had,
and it didn't even carve up any more little guys in the process. And I
believe the helium paper was actually surprising because it didn't give
the change in frequency you might expect if this was a resonant cavity.
But it has been a while and I may have mixed up the details.

That's the sort of inspiration we want for the intelligibility issue.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
There are two sides to every question, except
'What is a Moebius strip?'
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Rich Grise]

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:44:06 +0000, John Woodgate wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Don Taylor <dont@agora.rdrop.com

Really. Limiting this to higher vertebrates, what are the "current
methods" that you are thinking of? Having observed this a bit, maybe
I've just missed something someone is using.

Maybe not, just underestimating how much an experience vet can Sherlock
out of small signs. I would emphasise that I am not a vet.

You look at a cat, the cat doesn't seem like it wants to tell you if
something is hurting or where it is hurting,

Yes, cats can be rather difficult. But the drill is just as for human
people; look first. Eyes can signal pain quite well. Elevated
heart-rate, rapid breathing, prostration - all these signs are
indicative.

It's especially fun diagnosing and "treating" a cat that's just been
through a stand of sandburs:
http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/phpps/ipc/weedinfo/usedimages/cenchrusechinatus.jpg

You can't see the burs, because they're buried in hair, but they're
needle-sharp and hurt more than a needle, probably because of the shape
of the points. And I think they're barbed - this was the closest pic I
could find on short notice.

We wound up with me holding the cat by the feet, and the GF going through
and finding the burs and cutting the hair to get them off the cat.

This was also the cat that would get out, and play "make a monkey out of
the human" as she went chasing after it. I kept trying to tell her, "Let
it go! It'll come back when it gets hungry. It knows where the cat food
is." Some years after we'd broken up, we were talking and she said, "Oh,
by the way, I finally left the cat out and didn't go chase it, and you
know what? He came back!"

Cats are a disease.

Oh, and back to the GSR meter - an ohmmeter works just fine. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Jens Tingleff]

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Death to Smoochy wrote:

Does anybody know of a web site that publishes the design parameters of
the Scientologists' e-meter?

Great newsgroup cross-over for me

Seriously, if anyone is interested in the device used by the criminal
organisation known as the "church" <spit> of $cientology to create
emotional dependency and to extract confessions to be used against members
for blackmail, here's a darned good page from a critic:

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/E-Meter/

Includes schematics for the (very) simple insides . This also links to
independent ex-$cientologists who develop the e-meter further (i.e. who
believe that it "works").

Best Regards

Jens
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