DVD player to VCR to TV

[John Crighton]

Hello fellow electronic enthusiasts,
my son brought home a DVD player a couple of days
ago and some DVD movies to watch. We connected
the unit up with the RCA connectors provided, to the
VCR as it had RCA connectors also. The TV only has
a coax cable connector. There was no coax connector
on the DVD player.

What a disappointment, the picture varied in brightness
on one VCR, we tried another VCR and the picture would
disappear all together. Anyway four VCRs were tried.
One was watchable and three were annoying to watch.

Being puzzled, I rang a friend and was told about this
deliberately introduced signal to bugger up the copying
of movies. I was pissed off as we only want to watch
a movie and can only connect up to the TV via the VCR.
It seems we need a RF modulator unit. So the boy is off
to buy one.

So, how do we get rid of this macro vision bullshit?
Is there a kit that I can buy and build to get rid of it?
Have any of you chaps looked into this problem?
I would like to find out more about it. It is all new to me
at the moment. Please, no lectures on legal issues, I
am only interested in technical stuff. ;-)

Regards,
John Crighton
Hornsby

 

[KLR]

On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:40:48 GMT, john_c@tpg.com.au (John Crighton)
wrote:

Hello fellow electronic enthusiasts,
my son brought home a DVD player a couple of days
ago and some DVD movies to watch. We connected
the unit up with the RCA connectors provided, to the
VCR as it had RCA connectors also. The TV only has
a coax cable connector. There was no coax connector
on the DVD player.

What a disappointment, the picture varied in brightness
on one VCR, we tried another VCR and the picture would
disappear all together. Anyway four VCRs were tried.
One was watchable and three were annoying to watch.

Being puzzled, I rang a friend and was told about this
deliberately introduced signal to bugger up the copying
of movies. I was pissed off as we only want to watch
a movie and can only connect up to the TV via the VCR.
It seems we need a RF modulator unit. So the boy is off
to buy one.

So, how do we get rid of this macro vision bullshit?
Is there a kit that I can buy and build to get rid of it?
Have any of you chaps looked into this problem?
I would like to find out more about it. It is all new to me
at the moment. Please, no lectures on legal issues, I
am only interested in technical stuff. ;-)

Oatley did/do still? sell a kit to remove this crap, but in reality -

you should take the player back to the retailer and blast them and
waste as much of their time and effort as possible and make them think
twice about stocking crap like this, or not informing the consumer of
it. Demand the modulator free as they have sold faulty goods - wasted
a considerable amount of your time (and time is money) getting
something to work that should just plug in and play. Stuff like this
simply (IMHO) isnt of marketable quality, and they have a duty of care
in this matter (IMHO)

To me, A modulator still isnt a good solution though as you will most
likely have to unplug the aerial and plug it in every time you want to
watch a DVD, unless you can find a one that switches signal or
combines it with the existing aerial feed without any signal loss
occuring

Regards,
John Crighton
Hornsby

 

[Phil Allison]

<KLR>
(John Crighton)

wrote:

So, how do we get rid of this macro vision bullshit?
Is there a kit that I can buy and build to get rid of it?
Have any of you chaps looked into this problem?
I would like to find out more about it. It is all new to me
at the moment. Please, no lectures on legal issues, I
am only interested in technical stuff. ;-)


Oatley did/do still? sell a kit to remove this crap, but in reality -
you should take the player back to the retailer and blast them and
waste as much of their time and effort as possible and make them think
twice about stocking crap like this, or not informing the consumer of
it.

** No DVD player made ( VCR/DVD combos notwithstanding) has an RF output -
all are intended to be used with AV equipped TV sets. Sales staff know this
and usually warn the naive. The DVD I bought (a Sanyo) has this fact
printed on the outside of the carton in BIG PRINT.

Demand the modulator free as they have sold faulty goods - wasted
a considerable amount of your time (and time is money) getting
something to work that should just plug in and play. Stuff like this
simply (IMHO) isnt of marketable quality, and they have a duty of care
in this matter (IMHO)

** What utter crap.



............... Phil

 

[#HISH]

welcome to last century

"John Crighton" <john_c@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:4086e01e.7580602@News.individual.net...

Hello fellow electronic enthusiasts,
my son brought home a DVD player a couple of days
ago and some DVD movies to watch. We connected
the unit up with the RCA connectors provided, to the
VCR as it had RCA connectors also. The TV only has
a coax cable connector. There was no coax connector
on the DVD player.

What a disappointment, the picture varied in brightness
on one VCR, we tried another VCR and the picture would
disappear all together. Anyway four VCRs were tried.
One was watchable and three were annoying to watch.

Being puzzled, I rang a friend and was told about this
deliberately introduced signal to bugger up the copying
of movies. I was pissed off as we only want to watch
a movie and can only connect up to the TV via the VCR.
It seems we need a RF modulator unit. So the boy is off
to buy one.

So, how do we get rid of this macro vision bullshit?
Is there a kit that I can buy and build to get rid of it?
Have any of you chaps looked into this problem?
I would like to find out more about it. It is all new to me
at the moment. Please, no lectures on legal issues, I
am only interested in technical stuff. ;-)

Regards,
John Crighton
Hornsby

 

[RMD]

John,

Jaycar sell a unit which will remove the macrovision from DVD players
- at least on the ones I have tried it on.

A lot of the cheaper DVD players don't have macrovision enabled. It
might be cheaper to return your current player as not fit for purpose
and see if you can get a another macrovision free model.

Ross



On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:40:48 GMT, john_c@tpg.com.au (John Crighton)
wrote:

Hello fellow electronic enthusiasts,
my son brought home a DVD player a couple of days
ago and some DVD movies to watch. We connected
the unit up with the RCA connectors provided, to the
VCR as it had RCA connectors also. The TV only has
a coax cable connector. There was no coax connector
on the DVD player.

What a disappointment, the picture varied in brightness
on one VCR, we tried another VCR and the picture would
disappear all together. Anyway four VCRs were tried.
One was watchable and three were annoying to watch.

Being puzzled, I rang a friend and was told about this
deliberately introduced signal to bugger up the copying
of movies. I was pissed off as we only want to watch
a movie and can only connect up to the TV via the VCR.
It seems we need a RF modulator unit. So the boy is off
to buy one.

So, how do we get rid of this macro vision bullshit?
Is there a kit that I can buy and build to get rid of it?
Have any of you chaps looked into this problem?
I would like to find out more about it. It is all new to me
at the moment. Please, no lectures on legal issues, I
am only interested in technical stuff. ;-)

Regards,
John Crighton
Hornsby

 

[Phil Allison]

"RMD" <ross_dalyNS@yahoo.com>

John,

Jaycar sell a unit which will remove the macrovision from DVD players
- at least on the ones I have tried it on.

A lot of the cheaper DVD players don't have macrovision enabled. It
might be cheaper to return your current player as not fit for purpose.....

** What purpose is that - copying DVDs illegally ????

and see if you can get a another macrovision free model.

** Or buy a modern VCR that is not affected by macro-vision unless making
a recording or buy a modern AV equipped TV set.




............. Phil

 

[Null&Void]

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:22:23 +1000, KLR <> wrote:

Oatley did/do still? sell a kit to remove this crap, but in reality -
you should take the player back to the retailer and blast them and
waste as much of their time and effort as possible and make them think
twice about stocking crap like this, or not informing the consumer of
it. Demand the modulator free as they have sold faulty goods - wasted
a considerable amount of your time (and time is money) getting
something to work that should just plug in and play. Stuff like this
simply (IMHO) isnt of marketable quality, and they have a duty of care
in this matter (IMHO)

Err, it's a requirement for players to output macrovision, same thing
with region coding. I know that cheap chinese players don't and I have
no idea why they don't. Certainly when players were first released
region coding and macrovision were standard on all players.

The goods aren't faulty - thats the way it's designed.

To the OP: There are cheap chinese made players that do have
macrovision disabled, or are able to be turned off via the menus, see
if you can return the model and swap for one of these.

 

[Rod Speed]

Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:40875429$0$16964$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

RMD <ross_dalyNS@yahoo.com> wrote

A lot of the cheaper DVD players don't have macrovision enabled. It
might be cheaper to return your current player as not fit for purpose.....

What purpose is that

Use with a TV that only has RF input, fuckwit.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>

Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au

RMD <ross_dalyNS@yahoo.com> wrote

A lot of the cheaper DVD players don't have macrovision enabled. It
might be cheaper to return your current player as not fit for
purpose.....

What purpose is that

Use with a TV that only has RF input, fuckwit.

** Not a purpose it is described as being fit for - you arsehole
fuckhead.




............ Phil

 

[Marty]

"Null&Void" <Null&Void@> wrote in message
news:5roe80haqieqj7tg06jn6491t7io83etha@4ax.com...

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:22:23 +1000, KLR <> wrote:

Oatley did/do still? sell a kit to remove this crap, but in reality -
you should take the player back to the retailer and blast them and
waste as much of their time and effort as possible and make them think
twice about stocking crap like this, or not informing the consumer of
it. Demand the modulator free as they have sold faulty goods - wasted
a considerable amount of your time (and time is money) getting
something to work that should just plug in and play. Stuff like this
simply (IMHO) isnt of marketable quality, and they have a duty of care
in this matter (IMHO)

Err, it's a requirement for players to output macrovision, same thing
with region coding. I know that cheap chinese players don't and I have
no idea why they don't. Certainly when players were first released
region coding and macrovision were standard on all players.

The goods aren't faulty - thats the way it's designed.

To the OP: There are cheap chinese made players that do have
macrovision disabled, or are able to be turned off via the menus, see
if you can return the model and swap for one of these.

My DVD player is only one of those el-cheapo models sold on special at
Target, and it plays fine through our VCR aux. input. Never had any
problems with it at all.

Sometimes more expensive isn't better!!!!!

 

[David L. Jones]

john_c@tpg.com.au (John Crighton) wrote in message news:<4086e01e.7580602@News.individual.net>...

Hello fellow electronic enthusiasts,
my son brought home a DVD player a couple of days
ago and some DVD movies to watch. We connected
the unit up with the RCA connectors provided, to the
VCR as it had RCA connectors also. The TV only has
a coax cable connector. There was no coax connector
on the DVD player.

What a disappointment, the picture varied in brightness
on one VCR, we tried another VCR and the picture would
disappear all together. Anyway four VCRs were tried.
One was watchable and three were annoying to watch.

Being puzzled, I rang a friend and was told about this
deliberately introduced signal to bugger up the copying
of movies. I was pissed off as we only want to watch
a movie and can only connect up to the TV via the VCR.
It seems we need a RF modulator unit. So the boy is off
to buy one.

So, how do we get rid of this macro vision bullshit?
Is there a kit that I can buy and build to get rid of it?
Have any of you chaps looked into this problem?
I would like to find out more about it. It is all new to me
at the moment. Please, no lectures on legal issues, I
am only interested in technical stuff. ;-)

Many DVD players can be moded to remove macrovision. Can be as simple
as a hidden menu option, or more complex like a hardware modification.
Depends on the model, and there are plenty of web sites that describe
the different models and what mods you can make to them.
Not all DVD's are macrovision encoded either, so some should play just
fine on your set.
There are various kits around that do the job also, SC did a "Dr
Video" one or something a while back. I don't know how effective it is
though, I've heard there are slightly different types of macrovision
and not all kits work 100%.

But really, you need a TV with AV inputs. Brand new 51cm jobs can be
had for under $300. A macrovision kit may set you back say $60 or more
and aren't guaranteed to work, especially since your set seems to be
extra sensitive to this.

Google to your hearts content, there is plenty of info out there on
macrovision.

Regards
Dave

 

[Rod Speed]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:40876ad4$0$28242$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com

Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au

RMD <ross_dalyNS@yahoo.com> wrote

A lot of the cheaper DVD players don't have macrovision enabled. It
might be cheaper to return your current player as not fit for
purpose.....

What purpose is that

Use with a TV that only has RF input, fuckwit.

Not a purpose it is described as being fit for

Not a fucking clue. As always.

No wonder you've always been completely unemployable.

 

[amstereo]

let me know what your dvd model number / name is and i'll search for
macrovision hacks (some require you to press a number combination on the
remote and some require a flash update

 

[KLR]

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 04:48:04 GMT, ross_dalyNS@yahoo.com (RMD) wrote:

John,

Jaycar sell a unit which will remove the macrovision from DVD players
- at least on the ones I have tried it on.

A lot of the cheaper DVD players don't have macrovision enabled. It
might be cheaper to return your current player as not fit for purpose
and see if you can get a another macrovision free model.

Agreed - I dont think it to be unreasonable to have a DVD player (or

VCR - Laserdisc - VCD player) with AV outputs play faultlessly on a TV
through a VCR's AV inputs.

If you were returning it complaining that you couldnt RECORD from a

commercial DVD - then they would be within their rights telling you to
go and get stuffed - but its quite reasonable to expect trouble-free
PLAYBACK through any australian market VCR.

Ross



On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:40:48 GMT, john_c@tpg.com.au (John Crighton)
wrote:

Hello fellow electronic enthusiasts,
my son brought home a DVD player a couple of days
ago and some DVD movies to watch. We connected
the unit up with the RCA connectors provided, to the
VCR as it had RCA connectors also. The TV only has
a coax cable connector. There was no coax connector
on the DVD player.

What a disappointment, the picture varied in brightness
on one VCR, we tried another VCR and the picture would
disappear all together. Anyway four VCRs were tried.
One was watchable and three were annoying to watch.

Being puzzled, I rang a friend and was told about this
deliberately introduced signal to bugger up the copying
of movies. I was pissed off as we only want to watch
a movie and can only connect up to the TV via the VCR.
It seems we need a RF modulator unit. So the boy is off
to buy one.

So, how do we get rid of this macro vision bullshit?
Is there a kit that I can buy and build to get rid of it?
Have any of you chaps looked into this problem?
I would like to find out more about it. It is all new to me
at the moment. Please, no lectures on legal issues, I
am only interested in technical stuff. ;-)

Regards,
John Crighton
Hornsby

 

[Phil Allison]

<KLR> wrote in message news:ebcf80lti392osrnsn6ue5ut80ajed6167@4ax.com...

Agreed - I dont think it to be unreasonable to have a DVD player (or
VCR - Laserdisc - VCD player) with AV outputs play faultlessly on a TV
through a VCR's AV inputs.

** DVD players are sold as high quality audio/video replay devices to be
used with AV equipped TV sets and hi-fi systems - feeding them through
a VCR acting as a modulator for a old TV **RUINS** the picture quality.
There is no need for DVD makers to give a **hoot** about those who want to
use their players in this non recommended way.

If you were returning it complaining that you couldnt RECORD from a
commercial DVD - then they would be within their rights telling you to
go and get stuffed - but its quite reasonable to expect trouble-free
PLAYBACK through any australian market VCR.

** Once you know the basic facts - it is not reasonable to expect any
such stupid thing.





............ Phil

 

[Rod Speed]

Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:4087b71f$0$25661$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

KLR> wrote

Agreed - I dont think it to be unreasonable to have a
DVD player (or VCR - Laserdisc - VCD player) with AV
outputs play faultlessly on a TV through a VCR's AV inputs.

DVD players are sold as high quality audio/video replay devices
to be used with AV equipped TV sets and hi-fi systems

Wrong. As always. They're actually sold as devices
that will play a DVD thru what you currently have.

feeding them through a VCR acting as a modulator
for a old TV **RUINS** the picture quality.

Irrelevant. Plenty just want the convenience of a DVD instead of a VCR tape.

If the particular DVD player cant be used except with a TV which has
AV inputs, its should say so on big letters on the outside of the box.

If it doesnt, you're entitled to a full refund when you
find that it aint fit for the purpose you bought it for.

There is no need for DVD makers to give a **hoot** about those
who want to use their players in this non recommended way.

Fraid so, there is the tiny matter of the consumer law on that.

No wonder you're completely unemployable.

If you were returning it complaining that you couldnt RECORD
from a commercial DVD - then they would be within their rights
telling you to go and get stuffed - but its quite reasonable to expect
trouble-free PLAYBACK through any australian market VCR.

Once you know the basic facts - it is not
reasonable to expect any such stupid thing.

Not a fucking clue. As always.

 

[John Crighton]

On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:07:32 +1000, "amstereo"
<amstereo@optushomeDOTcompanyDOTaustralia> wrote:

let me know what your dvd model number / name is and i'll search for
macrovision hacks (some require you to press a number combination on the
remote and some require a flash update


Hello All,

thankyou for all the replies. I am now learning more about these
things. I wasn't intererested in DVD players, until my son brought
this unit home a few days ago. The unit is a Prima model PDV2150
$80 from woollies supermarket.
Regards,
John Crighton
Hornsby

 

[Phil Allison]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com..

Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au


DVD players are sold as high quality audio/video replay devices
to be used with AV equipped TV sets and hi-fi systems

Wrong. As always. They're actually sold as devices
that will play a DVD thru what you currently have.

** No such claim is made by DVD makers.

feeding them through a VCR acting as a modulator
for a old TV **RUINS** the picture quality.

Irrelevant.

** It is the REASON that no RF output is fitted.

Plenty just want the convenience of a DVD instead of a VCR tape.

** Irrelevant to the purpose their makers indicate.

There is no need for DVD makers to give a **hoot** about those
who want to use their players in this non recommended way.

Fraid so, there is the tiny matter of the consumer law on that.

** There is no such consumer law.

No wonder you're completely unemployable.

** No wonder Rod is a welfare bludger and postures as the pig god of usenet
arseholes.





............. Phil

 

[Rod Speed]

Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:4088809e$0$16964$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...

Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com wrote
Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au

DVD players are sold as high quality audio/video replay devices
to be used with AV equipped TV sets and hi-fi systems

Wrong. As always. They're actually sold as devices
that will play a DVD thru what you currently have.

No such claim is made by DVD makers.

Not a fucking clue. As always.

feeding them through a VCR acting as a modulator
for a old TV **RUINS** the picture quality.

Irrelevant.

It is the REASON that no RF output is fitted.

Irrelevant when someone chooses to run it thru the VCR
so they can watch it on a TV that only has RF input.

Plenty just want the convenience of a DVD instead of a VCR tape.

Irrelevant to the purpose their makers indicate.

No such 'indication', fuckwit.

There is no need for DVD makers to give a **hoot** about those
who want to use their players in this non recommended way.

Fraid so, there is the tiny matter of the consumer law on that.

There is no such consumer law.

Wrong. As always.

No wonder you're completely unemployable.

 

[Phil Allison]

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com>

Phil Allison <philallison@optusnet.com.au

No such claim is made by DVD makers.

Not a fucking clue. As always.

** This means Rod the Pig God admits error.

feeding them through a VCR acting as a modulator
for a old TV **RUINS** the picture quality.

Irrelevant.

It is the REASON that no RF output is fitted.

Irrelevant ......

** Nothing is relevant to what it is was not related to.

Plenty just want the convenience of a DVD instead of a VCR tape.

Irrelevant to the purpose their makers indicate.

No such 'indication', fuckwit.

** Rod the Pig God admits error again.

There is no need for DVD makers to give a **hoot** about those
who want to use their players in this non recommended way.

Fraid so, there is the tiny matter of the consumer law on that.

There is no such consumer law.

Wrong. As always.

** Rod the Pig God admits error a third time.




........... Phil