dual ported RAM - different aspect ratio

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Hi!

Some time ago I've learned, that I can instantiate Xilinx Block-RAM in
dual-ported mode using shared variables and two separate processes
accessing those variables. Example:
-------------------------
architecture rtl of intarnalRAM is
type rft is array((2**ADDR_BITS)-1 downto 0) of
std_logic_vector(WORD_SIZE-1 downto 0);

shared variable RAM: rft;
begin

RAM_PORT_A: process (clk)
begin
if (rising_edge(clk)) then
if (wr = '1') then
RAM(conv_integer(addr_y)) := input_y;
else
data_y <= RAM(conv_integer(addr_y));
end if;
end if;
end process;

RAM_PORT_B: process (clk)
begin
if (rising_edge(clk)) then
if (wr_x = '1') then
RAM(conv_integer(addr_x)) := input_x;
else
data_x <= RAM(conv_integer(addr_x));
end if;
end if;
end process;

end rtl;
--------------------------------------

When synthesizing it with Xilinx WEBpack, I've noticed, that report
shows
separate (although the same) memory aspect ratio for each port.

So I have two questions:
1. how to write a *generic* VHDL so, that it's clear (to any
synthesizer/
simulator), that I'm expressing a RAM with two ports of different
aspect
ratio each?
2) how to write VHDL for Xilinx Spartan devices, to get their BlockRAM
instantiated with ports A/B having different aspect ratio? Say: portA=
8its x 256words, portB= 16bits x 128words ... into the same RAM array?

I write the above as separate questions, since I take into account,
that
one or the other may not have a valid answer.... although I hope, that
both have :)

Thenx

-R
 
On Mar 14, 2:30 pm, digich...@zorro.isa-geek.com wrote:
Hi!

Some time ago I've learned, that I can instantiate Xilinx Block-RAM in
dual-ported mode using shared variables and two separate processes
accessing those variables. Example:
Click to expand...
I'm posting my own reply to my original post.... in frantic
desperation. PLS HELP!

There was no response to my original post. I'm not that proficient in
VHDL to understand if the question was plain stupid, or if it was
'rocket-science'.... or just not interesting to the general public.

Pls. make a comment - should I search any further for a correct VHDL
construct (for dual ported RAM with ports of different aspect ratios),
or should I just drop it as this circuitry do not have a relevant VHDL
expression.

-RP
 
On 14 Mar 2007 06:30:34 -0700, digichip1@zorro.isa-geek.com wrote:

Hi!

Some time ago I've learned, that I can instantiate Xilinx Block-RAM in
dual-ported mode using shared variables and two separate processes
accessing those variables. Example:
Click to expand...
This does not instantiate the RAM, it infers it.

Instantiation would be to declare the Xilinx Unisims library in your
design, and look there for an appropriate component, e.g. RAMB16S18S36,
with the port widths you want, use that component in your design, and
connect all the ports appropriately in the port map.

Which only answers the second of your questions.

- Brian
 
digichip1@zorro.isa-geek.com wrote:

Some time ago I've learned, that I can instantiate Xilinx Block-RAM in
dual-ported mode using shared variables and two separate processes
accessing those variables. Example:
-------------------------
architecture rtl of intarnalRAM is
type rft is array((2**ADDR_BITS)-1 downto 0) of
std_logic_vector(WORD_SIZE-1 downto 0);

shared variable RAM: rft;
begin

RAM_PORT_A: process (clk)
begin
if (rising_edge(clk)) then
if (wr = '1') then
RAM(conv_integer(addr_y)) := input_y;
else
data_y <= RAM(conv_integer(addr_y));
end if;
end if;
end process;

RAM_PORT_B: process (clk)
begin
if (rising_edge(clk)) then
if (wr_x = '1') then
RAM(conv_integer(addr_x)) := input_x;
else
data_x <= RAM(conv_integer(addr_x));
end if;
end if;
end process;

end rtl;
--------------------------------------

When synthesizing it with Xilinx WEBpack, I've noticed, that report
shows
separate (although the same) memory aspect ratio for each port.

So I have two questions:
1. how to write a *generic* VHDL so, that it's clear (to any
synthesizer/
simulator), that I'm expressing a RAM with two ports of different
aspect
ratio each?
Click to expand...
If the question is how to describe a port size
with a generic constant, here's an example.

http://home.comcast.net/~mike_treseler/sync_template.vhd

If the question is will a particular synthesis tool find the
correct Xilinx element for such a dual-port description
with mismatched aspect ratio, all I can say is
I don't know. Try it and see.

-- Mike Treseler
 
On Mar 15, 4:10 pm, Mike Treseler <mike_trese...@comcast.net> wrote:
digich...@zorro.isa-geek.com wrote:
So I have two questions:
1. how to write a *generic* VHDL so, that it's clear (to any
synthesizer/
simulator), that I'm expressing a RAM with two ports of different
aspect
ratio each?

If the question is how to describe a port size
with a generic constant, here's an example.

http://home.comcast.net/~mike_treseler/sync_template.vhd
Click to expand...
Hmmmm. I'm afraid this one is out of my league. I don't really know
how to work out my way from that template to the actual syntesizable
code. Never before I've passes to my synthesize tool anything that I
could call 'a template'.

But may be the 'template' is just for me to use an editor :) and
replicate the 'template' .... which is a definition of.... ??? a
single port?

Or should I just treat the template as 'entity definition', and in the
higher level entity use it in 'generate' construct?

I'm afraid I don't understand the answer :(

To be more explicit about my understanding:

In my example, I understand, that saying 'shared variable' I passes to
the interpreter (to the synthesize tool), a semantics, that something
'state-full' (variable, the RAM block) will be used by more then one
process.... process being a 'view-port' into that 'state-full
something' - e.g. process being a 'port' in RAM-memory nomenclature.
This is dual-ported RAM.

Now reading through the template you've provided I don't see any
construct I can call 'this is my RAM', neither do I see anything that
would allow me to 'read semantically': "OK, this is port definition".

I'd appreciate if you could give me some guidance on how to glue up a
'more or less complete' source from that template.

If the question is will a particular synthesis tool find the
correct Xilinx element for such a dual-port description
with mismatched aspect ratio, all I can say is
I don't know. Try it and see.
Click to expand...
I will - following Brian's advice I looked up Xilinx RAMB16S18S36
component and for the design I'll use that. But my prime concern was
to see how to express the dual-ported/dual-aspect RAM in VHDL.

So, thenx. At least I know, that the thing is not so trivial as I
thought it is.

-- Rafał Pietrak
 
If the question is how to describe a port size
with a generic constant, here's an example.
http://home.comcast.net/~mike_treseler/sync_template.vhd
Click to expand...
digichip1@zorro.isa-geek.com wrote:
Hmmmm. I'm afraid this one is out of my league. I don't really know
how to work out my way from that template to the actual syntesizable
code. Never before I've passes to my synthesize tool anything that I
could call 'a template'.
Click to expand...
The name of the example is irrelevant.
My intent was only to show you how to pass
a vector width using an entity generic constant.
You would have to edit your model yourself
if you want to try out the idea.

-- Mike Treseler
 
digichip1@zorro.isa-geek.com wrote:
On Mar 14, 2:30 pm, digich...@zorro.isa-geek.com wrote:
Hi!

Some time ago I've learned, that I can instantiate Xilinx Block-RAM in
dual-ported mode using shared variables and two separate processes
accessing those variables. Example:

I'm posting my own reply to my original post.... in frantic
desperation. PLS HELP!

There was no response to my original post. I'm not that proficient in
VHDL to understand if the question was plain stupid, or if it was
'rocket-science'.... or just not interesting to the general public.
Click to expand...
I didn't answer at first because I
could tell from the question that
you were not ready for any answer
that I could express in a few lines of text.
This has now been confirmed.

Next time consider refining the
question by googling and trying
a few things yourself first.

-- Mike Treseler
 
On Mar 15, 8:54 pm, Mike Treseler <mike_trese...@comcast.net> wrote:
digich...@zorro.isa-geek.com wrote:
On Mar 14, 2:30 pm, digich...@zorro.isa-geek.com wrote:
Hi!

Some time ago I've learned, that I can instantiate Xilinx Block-RAM in
dual-ported mode using shared variables and two separate processes
accessing those variables. Example:

I'm posting my own reply to my original post.... in frantic
desperation. PLS HELP!

There was no response to my original post. I'm not that proficient in
VHDL to understand if the question was plain stupid, or if it was
'rocket-science'.... or just not interesting to the general public.

I didn't answer at first because I
could tell from the question that
you were not ready for any answer
that I could express in a few lines of text.
Click to expand...
I hoped I've put sufficiently large context (a code snippet in
particular), that for someone who knows the subject it would be just
'a touch of a pencil' - that you could add a line or two to my code to
make its ports asymetric.

This has now been confirmed.
Click to expand...
Sadly so.

Next time consider refining the
question by googling and trying
a few things yourself first.
Click to expand...
But that was not too nice. Thank you.

I did. Didn't spend a semester googling, but the few queries I did,
didn't return anything meaningfull... at least to me. You seem
forgetting, that not knowing how to ask gets you meaningless
answers... unless there is a human on the other end who can read
between the lines.... so my query went to the list when everything
else failed. That helped.... to some extend.

Regards,

-R
 
digichip1@zorro.isa-geek.com wrote:

I hoped I've put sufficiently large context (a code snippet in
particular), that for someone who knows the subject it would be just
'a touch of a pencil' - that you could add a line or two to my code to
make its ports asymetric.
Click to expand...
If I had such an inference model in my bag
of tricks, I would have pulled it out.
Often the device vendor is first with
that sort of code template. Synthesis vendors
concentrate on the inferring special hardware
that is common to several brands. For example
the RAM process below with one read-only
and one write-only port will
work for both brand A and X block RAMs.

ram_access : process (clk) is
begin
if rising_edge(clk) then
if we = '1' then
mem(to_integer(push_tail_ptr)) <= (data_i);
end if; -- write date in
data_q <= mem(to_integer(pop_head_ptr));
-- read data out
end if;
end process ram_access;

See "Block RAM FIFO" here
http://home.comcast.net/~mike_treseler/ for details.

Consider taking Brian's advice and
instance the exact vendor block that you want
instead of pushing harder on this rope.

-- Mike Treseler
 
On Mar 15, 12:37 am, digich...@zorro.isa-geek.com wrote:
On Mar 14, 2:30 pm, digich...@zorro.isa-geek.com wrote:

Hi!

Some time ago I've learned, that I can instantiate Xilinx Block-RAM in
dual-ported mode using shared variables and two separate processes
accessing those variables. Example:

I'm posting my own reply to my original post.... in frantic
desperation. PLS HELP!

There was no response to my original post. I'm not that proficient in
VHDL to understand if the question was plain stupid, or if it was
'rocket-science'.... or just not interesting to the general public.

Pls. make a comment - should I search any further for a correct VHDL
construct (for dual ported RAM with ports of different aspect ratios),
or should I just drop it as this circuitry do not have a relevant VHDL
expression.
Click to expand...
The bad news is that with the current version of XST (9.1), you cannot
infer dual-ports where the ports have different sizes. You must
instantiate them from the library. RTFM.

-a
 
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