DSE/Tandy recall SM adaptors

[Phil Allison]

Hi,

DSE and Tandy have both posted safety recall notices for the whole range of
"Digitor" adaptors:

http://www.dse.com.au/isroot/dse/support/prodrecall_adaptor.pdf


Seems the darn things fall apart in your fingers.





............. Phil

 

[nva]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:51:30 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:

Hi,

DSE and Tandy have both posted safety recall notices for the whole range
of "Digitor" adaptors:

http://www.dse.com.au/isroot/dse/support/prodrecall_adaptor.pdf


Seems the darn things fall apart in your fingers.

Old news. They announced that recall around mid May.

 

[Phil Allison]

"nva"
Phil Allison wrote:

DSE and Tandy have both posted safety recall notices for the whole range
of "Digitor" adaptors:

http://www.dse.com.au/isroot/dse/support/prodrecall_adaptor.pdf


Seems the darn things fall apart in your fingers.

Old news.

** The notice is dated May 25th - never posted here before.

Have you seen it in the daily papers ??




............ Phil

 

[eeviil inc.]

Phil Allison wrote:

"nva"
Phil Allison wrote:

DSE and Tandy have both posted safety recall notices for the whole range
of "Digitor" adaptors:

http://www.dse.com.au/isroot/dse/support/prodrecall_adaptor.pdf


Seems the darn things fall apart in your fingers.

Old news.



** The notice is dated May 25th - never posted here before.

Have you seen it in the daily papers ??




........... Phil


I seem to recall reading it in the terrorgraph, sometime last week,

hidden amongst the rest of the rubbish they call news in there...

 

[Phil Allison]

"eeviil inc."

Phil Allison wrote:
"nva"

DSE and Tandy have both posted safety recall notices for the whole range
of "Digitor" adaptors:

http://www.dse.com.au/isroot/dse/support/prodrecall_adaptor.pdf


Seems the darn things fall apart in your fingers.

Old news.


** The notice is dated May 25th - never posted here before.

Have you seen it in the daily papers ??



I seem to recall reading it in the terrorgraph, sometime last week, hidden
amongst the rest of the rubbish they call news in there...

** I was in the DSE Burwood store today and did not see any notice.

Then I was not looking for one.

Wonder how long before DSE electrocutes another customer :-(




............ Phil

 

[KLR]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:49:22 +1000, "Phil Allison"
<philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

"eeviil inc."
Phil Allison wrote:
"nva"

DSE and Tandy have both posted safety recall notices for the whole range
of "Digitor" adaptors:

http://www.dse.com.au/isroot/dse/support/prodrecall_adaptor.pdf


Seems the darn things fall apart in your fingers.

Old news.


** The notice is dated May 25th - never posted here before.

Have you seen it in the daily papers ??



I seem to recall reading it in the terrorgraph, sometime last week, hidden
amongst the rest of the rubbish they call news in there...



** I was in the DSE Burwood store today and did not see any notice.

Then I was not looking for one.

Wonder how long before DSE electrocutes another customer :-(


Another ? have they electrocuted any already ?

Actually I hate to think of the effect of rectified and filtered mains

(quite deadly) voltage on unwary fingers. (assuming these are a
switchmode supply)

........... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"KLR"
"Phil Allison"

** I was in the DSE Burwood store today and did not see any notice.

Then I was not looking for one.

Wonder how long before DSE electrocutes another customer :-(


Another ? have they electrocuted any already ?

** At least one that I know of.

He died while working on a Musicolour IV kit.

His missus sued DSE - unsuccessfully as it turned out.

Actually I hate to think of the effect of rectified and filtered mains
(quite deadly) voltage on unwary fingers. (assuming these are a
switchmode supply)

** All the cat. numbers in the notice refer to the "Digitor" SMPS
daptors - see page 225 of the current catalogue.

You would have to be a *darn* unlucky person to get a shock if a typical
transformer adaptor broke apart - but a switching one is likely to be full
of exposed live conductors on the PCB.

Nasty.




............. Phil

 

[Bob Parker]

The effect is that it *really* gets your attention. Once I was
working on a partly disassembled JVC (I think) VCR while someone was
chattering in my ear. When I picked it up to move it, my fingers
contacted the rectified mains on the SMPS board and I sure dropped it
again in a hurry! The bloke doing the talking/distracting thought it
was hilarious.

Bob



KLR <kenreed1999@yahoo.com> wrote:

Actually I hate to think of the effect of rectified and filtered mains
(quite deadly) voltage on unwary fingers. (assuming these are a
switchmode supply)

 

[Phil Allison]

"Bob Parker"

The effect is that it *really* gets your attention. Once I was
working on a partly disassembled JVC (I think) VCR while someone was
chattering in my ear. When I picked it up to move it, my fingers
contacted the rectified mains on the SMPS board and I sure dropped it
again in a hurry! The bloke doing the talking/distracting thought it
was hilarious.

** Wot - no RCD used on your work bench ??




.......... Phil

 

[Allan]

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:3jmncmFq26fmU1@individual.net...

Hi,

DSE and Tandy have both posted safety recall notices for the whole range
of "Digitor" adaptors:

http://www.dse.com.au/isroot/dse/support/prodrecall_adaptor.pdf


Seems the darn things fall apart in your fingers.





............ Phil

I like the Sub Directory they filed it in,

isroot ..

 

[budgie]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:55:05 +1000, "Allan" <allanaws@hotmail.remove.com> wrote:

"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:3jmncmFq26fmU1@individual.net...

Hi,

DSE and Tandy have both posted safety recall notices for the whole range
of "Digitor" adaptors:

http://www.dse.com.au/isroot/dse/support/prodrecall_adaptor.pdf


Seems the darn things fall apart in your fingers.





............ Phil


I like the Sub Directory they filed it in,

isroot ..

they left the "ed" off though ....

 

[Bob Parker]

There always has been since that incident. In this situation I doubt
that an RCD would have helped, because the VCR chassis wasn't earthed.
But I refuse to work on any mains-powered gear without an RCD now.

Bob


"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

** Wot - no RCD used on your work bench ??




......... Phil

 

[Stan Blazejewski]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:59:02 +1000, "Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au>
wrote:

"Bob Parker"

The effect is that it *really* gets your attention. Once I was
working on a partly disassembled JVC (I think) VCR while someone was
chattering in my ear. When I picked it up to move it, my fingers
contacted the rectified mains on the SMPS board and I sure dropped it
again in a hurry! The bloke doing the talking/distracting thought it
was hilarious.


** Wot - no RCD used on your work bench ??

Got caught on a monitor many years ago, both hands & couldn't let go. Finally

managed to pull out the plug with my little finger (the only one I could move).
I'll never forget the smell of burning flesh. A few skin grafts later & I've
learnt not to touch anything unless it's via a safety switch.

(I hate single pole mains switches, particularly when they're not wired right).
--

Australia isn't "down under", it's "off to one side"!

stanblaz@netspace.net.au
www.cobracat.com (home of the Australian Cobra Catamaran)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cobra-cat/

 

[Phil Allison]

"Stan Blazejewski"
"Phil Allison"

** Wot - no RCD used on your work bench ??

Got caught on a monitor many years ago, both hands & couldn't let go.
Finally
managed to pull out the plug with my little finger (the only one I could
move).
I'll never forget the smell of burning flesh. A few skin grafts later &
I've
learnt not to touch anything unless it's via a safety switch.

** I had one similar, VERY frightening experience with a fluoro desk lamp
about 30 years ago.

Never again.



........... Phil

 

[Alan Rutlidge]

"Stan Blazejewski" <stanblaz@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
news:9a9fd1p9mpfipu4ike742eemvuin9bhcok@4ax.com...

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:59:02 +1000, "Phil Allison"
philallison@tpg.com.au
wrote:


"Bob Parker"

The effect is that it *really* gets your attention. Once I was
working on a partly disassembled JVC (I think) VCR while someone was
chattering in my ear. When I picked it up to move it, my fingers
contacted the rectified mains on the SMPS board and I sure dropped it
again in a hurry! The bloke doing the talking/distracting thought it
was hilarious.


** Wot - no RCD used on your work bench ??

Got caught on a monitor many years ago, both hands & couldn't let go.
Finally
managed to pull out the plug with my little finger (the only one I could
move).
I'll never forget the smell of burning flesh. A few skin grafts later &
I've
learnt not to touch anything unless it's via a safety switch.

(I hate single pole mains switches, particularly when they're not wired
right).
--

Australia isn't "down under", it's "off to one side"!

stanblaz@netspace.net.au
www.cobracat.com (home of the Australian Cobra Catamaran)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cobra-cat/

A RCD is of no use if your hands are across the active and neutral with no
leakage to ground.
Under these conditions you would simply appear to be a "load" across the
supply and the current would flow through you from active to neutral, rather
than from active to earth . In the former situation it would not make any
difference unless you were able to establish an appreciable imbalance in
current flowing in the active lead compared to the neutral lead, and the
only way you could do that is to have more current flowing from active to
earth than via the active to neutral circuit.

Albeit there is no doubt RCD safety switches save lives, where the current
flows from and to, determines their effectiveness and if they operate at
all.

Cheers,
Alan

 

[Bob Parker]

I can relate to both those very nasty experiences. I was holding a
preamp vertically on its side on the bench, with one hand flat against
the bare bottom cover. With my free hand I thought I was reaching for
the power button on the front panel, but somehow touched the terminals
of the switch itself on the inside of the front panel.
It was like getting kicked in the chest by a horse, and of course
this instantly broke the connection. I got only a minor burn on my
finger, but I was very lucky. An RCD would have tripped if I'd used
one.
Now that I think back, I always used an RCD after that, so I
probably was powering that VCR through one. Both happened over 12
years ago, and my memory ain't that good these days...

Bob




"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

"Stan Blazejewski"
"Phil Allison"


** Wot - no RCD used on your work bench ??

Got caught on a monitor many years ago, both hands & couldn't let go.
Finally
managed to pull out the plug with my little finger (the only one I could
move).
I'll never forget the smell of burning flesh. A few skin grafts later &
I've
learnt not to touch anything unless it's via a safety switch.



** I had one similar, VERY frightening experience with a fluoro desk lamp
about 30 years ago.

Never again.



.......... Phil

 

[Arpit]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:32:52 +1000, KLR <kenreed1999@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:49:22 +1000, "Phil Allison"
philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:


"eeviil inc."
Phil Allison wrote:
"nva"

DSE and Tandy have both posted safety recall notices for the whole range
of "Digitor" adaptors:

http://www.dse.com.au/isroot/dse/support/prodrecall_adaptor.pdf


Seems the darn things fall apart in your fingers.

Old news.


** The notice is dated May 25th - never posted here before.

Have you seen it in the daily papers ??



I seem to recall reading it in the terrorgraph, sometime last week, hidden
amongst the rest of the rubbish they call news in there...



** I was in the DSE Burwood store today and did not see any notice.

Then I was not looking for one.

Wonder how long before DSE electrocutes another customer :-(


Another ? have they electrocuted any already ?

Actually I hate to think of the effect of rectified and filtered mains
(quite deadly) voltage on unwary fingers. (assuming these are a
switchmode supply)

less deadly than unfiltered unrectified current though

........... Phil

 

[Arpit]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:39:33 +1000, Bob Parker
<bobpdeletethis@despammed.com> wrote:

There always has been since that incident. In this situation I doubt
that an RCD would have helped, because the VCR chassis wasn't earthed.
But I refuse to work on any mains-powered gear without an RCD now.

doesnt matter. thats not how they work. they cut out if
Iactive- Ineutral > 30mA

Bob


"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote:

** Wot - no RCD used on your work bench ??




......... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"Arpit"
Bob Parker

There always has been since that incident. In this situation I doubt
that an RCD would have helped, because the VCR chassis wasn't earthed.
But I refuse to work on any mains-powered gear without an RCD now.

doesnt matter. thats not how they work. they cut out if
Iactive- Ineutral > 30mA

** That missing 30 mA+ has to go via another path.





............ Phil

 

[Bob Parker]

Arpit <DONTSPAMMEF00Larpit@inzo.org> wrote:

doesnt matter. thats not how they work. they cut out if
Iactive- Ineutral > 30mA\

If you don't understand a subject, don't make assumptions which make
it obvious to everyone else.