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..... as an underperforming branch of Woolies, and may be sold off. Serve
them right ;-!
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them right ;-!
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atec77
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On 2/11/2011 4:44 PM, geoff wrote:
and do it cheaper , of course dse is going bad when the old staff go
work at the opposition
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dicks for changing the format into one that every corner shop can offer.... as an underperforming branch of Woolies, and may be sold off. Serve
them right ;-!
geoff
There always was money in radio and parts but woolies management are
and do it cheaper , of course dse is going bad when the old staff go
work at the opposition
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Phil Allison
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"geoff the sheep shagging idiot " <geoff@nospampaf.co.nz>
Surely not the long suffering DES staffers ??
DSE has been managed by Woollies for over 20 years - that they never had
any idea how to run the business was obvious from day one when all the cluey
staff jumped ship.
That DSE has gone on as long and well as it has is *DESPITE* Woollies crap
management - not because of it.
The world of retail electronics has changed *dramatically* since the 1970s
and that is the root cause here.
..... Phil
** Serves who right ??.... as an underperforming branch of Woolies, and may be sold off. Serve
them right ;-!
Surely not the long suffering DES staffers ??
DSE has been managed by Woollies for over 20 years - that they never had
any idea how to run the business was obvious from day one when all the cluey
staff jumped ship.
That DSE has gone on as long and well as it has is *DESPITE* Woollies crap
management - not because of it.
The world of retail electronics has changed *dramatically* since the 1970s
and that is the root cause here.
..... Phil
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Rheilly Phoull
Guest
On 11/2/2011 5:27 PM, Phil Allison wrote:
reckon ??
Rheilly P
How long will the Aussie business's be around in the present form do you"geoff the sheep shagging idiot "<geoff@nospampaf.co.nz
.... as an underperforming branch of Woolies, and may be sold off. Serve
them right ;-!
** Serves who right ??
Surely not the long suffering DES staffers ??
DSE has been managed by Woollies for over 20 years - that they never had
any idea how to run the business was obvious from day one when all the cluey
staff jumped ship.
That DSE has gone on as long and well as it has is *DESPITE* Woollies crap
management - not because of it.
The world of retail electronics has changed *dramatically* since the 1970s
and that is the root cause here.
.... Phil
You would be right there, just the tip of the iceberg really.
reckon ??
Rheilly P
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keithr
Guest
On 2/11/2011 5:44 PM, geoff wrote:
the records. I asked a couple of "Texperts" a question about a BluRay
player, neither had a clue what I was talking about. I ended up getting
if from JBs.
poor copy of Hardley Normal without the furniture, or JB HiFi without.... as an underperforming branch of Woolies, and may be sold off. Serve
them right ;-!
geoff
I went into the one at Macquarie on my annual trip to the office. It was
the records. I asked a couple of "Texperts" a question about a BluRay
player, neither had a clue what I was talking about. I ended up getting
if from JBs.
S
swanny
Guest
On 2/11/2011 8:58 PM, keithr wrote:
attempt to price compete with every other electrical retailer. Woolies
is following a standard retail model from last century.
Agree. Hard to see the brand distinction, they do nothing more thanOn 2/11/2011 5:44 PM, geoff wrote:
.... as an underperforming branch of Woolies, and may be sold off. Serve
them right ;-!
geoff
I went into the one at Macquarie on my annual trip to the office. It was
poor copy of Hardley Normal without the furniture, or JB HiFi without
the records. I asked a couple of "Texperts" a question about a BluRay
player, neither had a clue what I was talking about. I ended up getting
if from JBs.
attempt to price compete with every other electrical retailer. Woolies
is following a standard retail model from last century.
F
F Murtz
Guest
kreed wrote:
sales
component shops in existance only thing left will be ebay and internetOn Nov 2, 4:44 pm, "geoff"<ge...@nospampaf.co.nz> wrote:
.... as an underperforming branch of Woolies, and may be sold off. Serve
them right ;-!
geoff
I have only been in there once since they dumped the components, and
that was because an online search showed they had the best retail
price for a camera my wife wanted to buy. Staff were not particularly
bright.
A bloke in jaycars told me that in five years there wont be any discrete
sales
K
kreed
Guest
On Nov 2, 4:44 pm, "geoff" <ge...@nospampaf.co.nz> wrote:
I have only been in there once since they dumped the components, and
that was because an online search showed they had the best retail
price for a camera my wife wanted to buy. Staff were not particularly
bright.
.... as an underperforming branch of Woolies, and may be sold off. Serve
them right ;-!
geoff
I have only been in there once since they dumped the components, and
that was because an online search showed they had the best retail
price for a camera my wife wanted to buy. Staff were not particularly
bright.
D
Don McKenzie
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On 02-Nov-11 10:46 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Cheers Don...
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I could easily believe that.A bloke in jaycars told me that in five years there wont be any discrete component shops in existance only thing left
will be ebay and internet sales
Cheers Don...
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http://www.dontronics-shop.com/ics.html
Bare Proto PCB for PIC or AVR projects?
"I'd buy that for a Dollar!".
http://www.dontronics-shop.com/simmstick-fifteen-years-on.html
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Adrian Jansen
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On 3/11/2011 1:02 AM, Don McKenzie wrote:
'corner store' shop to carry stock of even a tiny part of the full range
of electronics components now available. Even back in the '80s, when I
ran an electronics shop, and we carried about 7000 lines of components,
we could see the beginning of the end.
On-line sales, just like on-line datasheets, is the only way to go.
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Note reply address is invalid, convert address above to machine form.
Right, and why should there be ? Do you really expect the averageOn 02-Nov-11 10:46 PM, F Murtz wrote:
A bloke in jaycars told me that in five years there wont be any
discrete component shops in existance only thing left
will be ebay and internet sales
I could easily believe that.
Cheers Don...
==============
'corner store' shop to carry stock of even a tiny part of the full range
of electronics components now available. Even back in the '80s, when I
ran an electronics shop, and we carried about 7000 lines of components,
we could see the beginning of the end.
On-line sales, just like on-line datasheets, is the only way to go.
--
Regards,
Adrian Jansen adrianjansen at internode dot on dot net
Note reply address is invalid, convert address above to machine form.
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Jeßus
Guest
On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:44:04 +1300, "geoff" <geoff@nospampaf.co.nz>
wrote:
Electronics where it is today. So, have they finally succeeded in
destroying it completely?
wrote:
It's taken them about 25 years of hard work to get Dick Smith.... as an underperforming branch of Woolies, and may be sold off. Serve
them right ;-!
Electronics where it is today. So, have they finally succeeded in
destroying it completely?
D
David Eather
Guest
On 2/11/2011 9:46 PM, F Murtz wrote:
Jaycar and co (mostly) deserve it. They simply refuse to move into new
technology, components or ways - only recently have they decided SMD
might be OK for the hobbiest. They still add only 3-5 (at most)
genuinely new electronics components per year. They provide very poor
value and customer service - for example, the iron on peel off PCB film
- 35$ (approx) for 5 sheets when you can buy direct for 25 sheets (IIRC
- it might be 20 or 35) for the same price! SMD quick removal solder 35$
or go OS and buy the same product retail(!) for $15. Jaycar in
particular tried to sell the PIC18F4550 for $50 each(!)when you could go
to Microchip direct, pay the 13$ handling fee and still buy a one off
for half price. What I really hate is Jaycar sponsoring an NRL football
team. I love NRL but pissing away $100,000+ of the companies money as a
major sponsor, but for no justifiable business gain (how many footy
player shop Jaycar?) is spitting on the customer.
How can you justify charging the same on-line price as retail store
price when the store costs are simply not the same?
If you can get it OS, same quality (variable or poor for hobbiest
retailers) in single quantities, including postage, for half or less the
price, when the hobbiest retailer has the advantages of buying in bulk,
and with the lower shipping costs then they Jaycar deserves to go. What
sort of margin and advantage do they want?
And most of all, I hate when an Australia Post package costs $6, how can
you charge $12 for it and then still grumble that the customer is not
spending enough to justify an order and filling it? (i.e the packer will
take home his wages anyway - anything he has to pack and post is profit,
because you had to cover his cost anyway. If you really wanted to you
could re-transmit packing orders to the retail stores for the staff to
fulfil in otherwise down time)
(Rant/)
Just a note my rant should not be considered to apply to small niche
marketers - who have to buy small quantities. They may cost a little
more than OS but they are quicker with delivery and often information.
It can be worth paying a premium to have someone who knows something
available to answer a question.
(not like a recent incident in a component retailer's store.
"Excuse me, this is not a problem for me but I found this pack (bulk
pack) of resistors in the wrong bin"
"Oh sorry mate. I can't help you. I don't know technical stuff"
(MO-FWIW) If it doesn't shit, piss or fart, then you won't find it at
Jaycar.
(/Rant)kreed wrote:
On Nov 2, 4:44 pm, "geoff"<ge...@nospampaf.co.nz> wrote:
.... as an underperforming branch of Woolies, and may be sold off. Serve
them right ;-!
geoff
I have only been in there once since they dumped the components, and
that was because an online search showed they had the best retail
price for a camera my wife wanted to buy. Staff were not particularly
bright.
A bloke in jaycars told me that in five years there wont be any discrete
component shops in existance only thing left will be ebay and internet
sales
Jaycar and co (mostly) deserve it. They simply refuse to move into new
technology, components or ways - only recently have they decided SMD
might be OK for the hobbiest. They still add only 3-5 (at most)
genuinely new electronics components per year. They provide very poor
value and customer service - for example, the iron on peel off PCB film
- 35$ (approx) for 5 sheets when you can buy direct for 25 sheets (IIRC
- it might be 20 or 35) for the same price! SMD quick removal solder 35$
or go OS and buy the same product retail(!) for $15. Jaycar in
particular tried to sell the PIC18F4550 for $50 each(!)when you could go
to Microchip direct, pay the 13$ handling fee and still buy a one off
for half price. What I really hate is Jaycar sponsoring an NRL football
team. I love NRL but pissing away $100,000+ of the companies money as a
major sponsor, but for no justifiable business gain (how many footy
player shop Jaycar?) is spitting on the customer.
How can you justify charging the same on-line price as retail store
price when the store costs are simply not the same?
If you can get it OS, same quality (variable or poor for hobbiest
retailers) in single quantities, including postage, for half or less the
price, when the hobbiest retailer has the advantages of buying in bulk,
and with the lower shipping costs then they Jaycar deserves to go. What
sort of margin and advantage do they want?
And most of all, I hate when an Australia Post package costs $6, how can
you charge $12 for it and then still grumble that the customer is not
spending enough to justify an order and filling it? (i.e the packer will
take home his wages anyway - anything he has to pack and post is profit,
because you had to cover his cost anyway. If you really wanted to you
could re-transmit packing orders to the retail stores for the staff to
fulfil in otherwise down time)
(Rant/)
Just a note my rant should not be considered to apply to small niche
marketers - who have to buy small quantities. They may cost a little
more than OS but they are quicker with delivery and often information.
It can be worth paying a premium to have someone who knows something
available to answer a question.
(not like a recent incident in a component retailer's store.
"Excuse me, this is not a problem for me but I found this pack (bulk
pack) of resistors in the wrong bin"
"Oh sorry mate. I can't help you. I don't know technical stuff"
(MO-FWIW) If it doesn't shit, piss or fart, then you won't find it at
Jaycar.
B
Bruce Varley
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"F Murtz" <haggisz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:j8raj6$adt$1@dont-email.me...
particularly requires a shopfront anyway, most bits and pieces are clearly
specified and uniform (conversely the fakes are well enough hidden that you
may not be able to tell by looking at them). If I factor in the petrol
costs, it's mostly cheaper for me to purchase on the web, and the online
experience just gets better and better.
news:j8raj6$adt$1@dont-email.me...
Not sure that any fuss is warranted. Electronics isn't a field thatkreed wrote:
On Nov 2, 4:44 pm, "geoff"<ge...@nospampaf.co.nz> wrote:
.... as an underperforming branch of Woolies, and may be sold off.
Serve
them right ;-!
geoff
I have only been in there once since they dumped the components, and
that was because an online search showed they had the best retail
price for a camera my wife wanted to buy. Staff were not particularly
bright.
A bloke in jaycars told me that in five years there wont be any discrete
component shops in existance only thing left will be ebay and internet
sales
particularly requires a shopfront anyway, most bits and pieces are clearly
specified and uniform (conversely the fakes are well enough hidden that you
may not be able to tell by looking at them). If I factor in the petrol
costs, it's mostly cheaper for me to purchase on the web, and the online
experience just gets better and better.
M
Metro
Guest
"Jeßus" <none@all.invalid> wrote in message
news:5oj3b75edkf3pb1s428i5rd7njigfj7bcr@4ax.com...
hobbyist's around, less tradies. Sydney used to have at least three devoted
radio and electronic component shops. Now zilch. Even low end components eg;
iron elements, kettle elements etc are difficult to obtain..............
news:5oj3b75edkf3pb1s428i5rd7njigfj7bcr@4ax.com...
It's all supply, demand and planned obselesance. The aren't as manyOn Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:44:04 +1300, "geoff" <geoff@nospampaf.co.nz
wrote:
.... as an underperforming branch of Woolies, and may be sold off. Serve
them right ;-!
It's taken them about 25 years of hard work to get Dick Smith
Electronics where it is today. So, have they finally succeeded in
destroying it completely?
hobbyist's around, less tradies. Sydney used to have at least three devoted
radio and electronic component shops. Now zilch. Even low end components eg;
iron elements, kettle elements etc are difficult to obtain..............
K
keithr
Guest
On 2/11/2011 10:46 PM, F Murtz wrote:
markets with little stalls usually selling just one type of component
were still there among the super stores and anime fantasy cafes.
A few weeks ago I was in Akihabara in Tokyo, it was good to see that thekreed wrote:
On Nov 2, 4:44 pm, "geoff"<ge...@nospampaf.co.nz> wrote:
.... as an underperforming branch of Woolies, and may be sold off. Serve
them right ;-!
geoff
I have only been in there once since they dumped the components, and
that was because an online search showed they had the best retail
price for a camera my wife wanted to buy. Staff were not particularly
bright.
A bloke in jaycars told me that in five years there wont be any discrete
component shops in existance only thing left will be ebay and internet
sales
markets with little stalls usually selling just one type of component
were still there among the super stores and anime fantasy cafes.
K
kreed
Guest
On Nov 3, 3:28 pm, "Metro" <Home@home> wrote:
Yes, and where they are available, I will bet that the entire kettle,
iron etc is probably much the same price to buy new as the part.
"Jeßus" <n...@all.invalid> wrote in message
news:5oj3b75edkf3pb1s428i5rd7njigfj7bcr@4ax.com...
On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:44:04 +1300, "geoff" <ge...@nospampaf.co.nz
wrote:
.... as an underperforming branch of Woolies, and may be sold off. Serve
them right ;-!
It's taken them about 25 years of hard work to get Dick Smith
Electronics where it is today. So, have they finally succeeded in
destroying it completely?
It's all supply, demand and planned obselesance. The aren't as many
hobbyist's around, less tradies. Sydney used to have at least three devoted
radio and electronic component shops. Now zilch. Even low end components eg;
iron elements, kettle elements etc are difficult to obtain..............
Yes, and where they are available, I will bet that the entire kettle,
iron etc is probably much the same price to buy new as the part.
K
kreed
Guest
On Nov 3, 1:02 am, Don McKenzie <5...@2.5A> wrote:
I was surprised that Dickies held out as long as it did with component
sales. I expected them to disappear years earlier.
True for the comment from Jaycar employee, though you will also likely
still have places like WES, Farnell, RS and so on for some time yet.
Taking it further, when the market further declines for parts, it will
likely boil down to being offshore firms such as Digi Key, Mouser etc
or equivalents.
On 02-Nov-11 10:46 PM, F Murtz wrote:
A bloke in jaycars told me that in five years there wont be any discrete component shops in existance only thing left
will be ebay and internet sales
I could easily believe that.
Cheers Don...
=============
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Dontronics Site Map:http://www.dontronics.com/sitemap
E-Mail Contact Page:http://www.dontronics.com/email
Web Camera Page: http://www.dontronics.com/webcam
No More Damn Spam: http://www.dontronics.com/spam
New MMBasic Computerhttp://www.TheMaximiteComputer.com
These products will reduce in price by 5% every month:http://www.dontronics-shop.com/minus-5-every-month.htmlhttp://www.dontronics-shop.com/ics.html
Bare Proto PCB for PIC or AVR projects?
"I'd buy that for a Dollar!".http://www.dontronics-shop.com/simmstick-fifteen-years-on.html
I was surprised that Dickies held out as long as it did with component
sales. I expected them to disappear years earlier.
True for the comment from Jaycar employee, though you will also likely
still have places like WES, Farnell, RS and so on for some time yet.
Taking it further, when the market further declines for parts, it will
likely boil down to being offshore firms such as Digi Key, Mouser etc
or equivalents.
F
Franc Zabkar
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On Thu, 03 Nov 2011 10:11:27 +1000, David Eather <eather@tpg.com.au>
put finger to keyboard and composed:
Football Club.
- Franc Zabkar
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put finger to keyboard and composed:
Almost as silly as Kaspersky Lab and the Melbourne Aussie RulesWhat I really hate is Jaycar sponsoring an NRL football
team. I love NRL but pissing away $100,000+ of the companies money as a
major sponsor, but for no justifiable business gain (how many footy
player shop Jaycar?) is spitting on the customer.
Football Club.
- Franc Zabkar
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kreed
Guest
On Nov 6, 6:54 pm, Franc Zabkar <fzab...@iinternode.on.net> wrote:
seem to be) buy anything from Jaycar other than those novelty fart
type products ? I guess they might buy speakers and stuff like that ?
Could be wrong, but would bogans (which the majority of footy fansOn Thu, 03 Nov 2011 10:11:27 +1000, David Eather <eat...@tpg.com.au
put finger to keyboard and composed:
What I really hate is Jaycar sponsoring an NRL football
team. I love NRL but pissing away $100,000+ of the companies money as a
major sponsor, but for no justifiable business gain (how many footy
player shop Jaycar?) is spitting on the customer.
Almost as silly as Kaspersky Lab and the Melbourne Aussie Rules
Football Club.
- Franc Zabkar
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Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
seem to be) buy anything from Jaycar other than those novelty fart
type products ? I guess they might buy speakers and stuff like that ?