Drought threatens Panama Canal shipping traffic...

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Fred Bloggs

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Another global warming induced problem. Cargo ships must reduce their load to meet the reduced draft requirements of the canal, and that makes shipping more expensive. If and when the canal becomes completely impassable, shipping costs will increase hundreds of percent, significantly worsening inflation in U.S. There are no quick fixes, it takes upwards of a decade to \"improve\" the canal.

https://phys.org/news/2023-04-drought-threatens-panama-canal-shipping.html

Panama Canal water levels are dangerously low because of a massive drought and it could mean bad things for global inflation

https://fortune.com/2023/06/02/panama-canal-water-levels-drought-inflation/

Things get worse with El Nino. One simplified analysis by a PhD candidate somewhere, estimated this one will cost $87 Trillion globally and be felt for the next 50 years or something.
 
Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
Another global warming induced problem. Cargo ships must reduce their
load to meet the reduced draft requirements of the canal, and that makes
shipping more expensive. If and when the canal becomes completely
impassable, shipping costs will increase hundreds of percent,
significantly worsening inflation in U.S. There are no quick fixes, it
takes upwards of a decade to \"improve\" the canal.

https://phys.org/news/2023-04-drought-threatens-panama-canal-shipping.html

Panama Canal water levels are dangerously low because of a massive
drought and it could mean bad things for global inflation

https://fortune.com/2023/06/02/panama-canal-water-levels-drought-inflation/

Things get worse with El Nino. One simplified analysis by a PhD candidate
somewhere, estimated this one will cost $87 Trillion globally and be felt
for the next 50 years or something.
Click to expand...

Yeah, dissertation-writing is like that. ;)

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC /
Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
 
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:55:34 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Another global warming induced problem. Cargo ships must reduce their load to meet the reduced draft requirements of the canal, and that makes shipping more expensive. If and when the canal becomes completely impassable, shipping costs will increase hundreds of percent, significantly worsening inflation in U.S. There are no quick fixes, it takes upwards of a decade to \"improve\" the canal.

https://phys.org/news/2023-04-drought-threatens-panama-canal-shipping.html

Panama Canal water levels are dangerously low because of a massive drought and it could mean bad things for global inflation

https://fortune.com/2023/06/02/panama-canal-water-levels-drought-inflation/

Things get worse with El Nino. One simplified analysis by a PhD candidate somewhere, estimated this one will cost $87 Trillion globally and be felt for the next 50 years or something.
Click to expand...

The Panama Canal is close to the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, and sea water would work fine in the canal locks. Neither of them is going to run out of water any time soon.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 9:54:24 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:55:34 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Another global warming induced problem. Cargo ships must reduce their load to meet the reduced draft requirements of the canal, and that makes shipping more expensive. If and when the canal becomes completely impassable, shipping costs will increase hundreds of percent, significantly worsening inflation in U.S. There are no quick fixes, it takes upwards of a decade to \"improve\" the canal.

https://phys.org/news/2023-04-drought-threatens-panama-canal-shipping.html

Panama Canal water levels are dangerously low because of a massive drought and it could mean bad things for global inflation

https://fortune.com/2023/06/02/panama-canal-water-levels-drought-inflation/

Things get worse with El Nino. One simplified analysis by a PhD candidate somewhere, estimated this one will cost $87 Trillion globally and be felt for the next 50 years or something.
The Panama Canal is close to the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, and sea water would work fine in the canal locks. Neither of them is going to run out of water any time soon.
Click to expand...

I am in no way any expert, but sea water would have problem flowing uphill. I think the canal locks need water higher up than sea level. They can pump it, but would require lots of energy.
 
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 3:05:07 PM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 9:54:24 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:55:34 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Another global warming induced problem. Cargo ships must reduce their load to meet the reduced draft requirements of the canal, and that makes shipping more expensive. If and when the canal becomes completely impassable, shipping costs will increase hundreds of percent, significantly worsening inflation in U.S. There are no quick fixes, it takes upwards of a decade to \"improve\" the canal.

https://phys.org/news/2023-04-drought-threatens-panama-canal-shipping..html

Panama Canal water levels are dangerously low because of a massive drought and it could mean bad things for global inflation

https://fortune.com/2023/06/02/panama-canal-water-levels-drought-inflation/

Things get worse with El Nino. One simplified analysis by a PhD candidate somewhere, estimated this one will cost $87 Trillion globally and be felt for the next 50 years or something.
The Panama Canal is close to the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, and sea water would work fine in the canal locks. Neither of them is going to run out of water any time soon.
I am in no way any expert, but sea water would have problem flowing uphill. I think the canal locks need water higher up than sea level. They can pump it, but would require lots of energy.
Click to expand...

They already use pumps to recycle fresh water between locks, which must cost money. Pumping in seawater would be even more expensive, but not having enough water available to move ships through the canal would mean that the canal wouldn\'t make any money at all. They might have to charge more per ship to cover the higher cost, but one can assume that the distribution of ship owners would include some who could still make money if the canal transit was more expensive.

The alternative route - around Cape Horn - is quite long.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On 06/06/2023 06:05, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 9:54:24 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

<snip>

one will cost $87 Trillion globally and be felt for the next 50 years or
something.
The Panama Canal is close to the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, and sea water would work fine in the canal locks. Neither of them is going to run out of water any time soon.

I am in no way any expert, but sea water would have problem flowing uphill. I think the canal locks need water higher up than sea level. They can pump it, but would require lots of energy.
Click to expand...

No need for pumps, just use a few tankers to carry water up the canal.
Easy.

--
Cheers
Clive
 
On 2023-06-06, Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
On 06/06/2023 06:05, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 9:54:24 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

snip

one will cost $87 Trillion globally and be felt for the next 50 years or
something.
The Panama Canal is close to the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, and sea water would work fine in the canal locks. Neither of them is going to run out of water any time soon.

I am in no way any expert, but sea water would have problem flowing uphill. I think the canal locks need water higher up than sea level. They can pump it, but would require lots of energy.

No need for pumps, just use a few tankers to carry water up the canal.
Easy.
Click to expand...

You\'re kidding, right?

--
Jasen.
🇺🇦 Слава Україні
 
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 12:54:24 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:55:34 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Another global warming induced problem. Cargo ships must reduce their load to meet the reduced draft requirements of the canal, and that makes shipping more expensive. If and when the canal becomes completely impassable, shipping costs will increase hundreds of percent, significantly worsening inflation in U.S. There are no quick fixes, it takes upwards of a decade to \"improve\" the canal.

https://phys.org/news/2023-04-drought-threatens-panama-canal-shipping.html

Panama Canal water levels are dangerously low because of a massive drought and it could mean bad things for global inflation

https://fortune.com/2023/06/02/panama-canal-water-levels-drought-inflation/

Things get worse with El Nino. One simplified analysis by a PhD candidate somewhere, estimated this one will cost $87 Trillion globally and be felt for the next 50 years or something.
The Panama Canal is close to the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, and sea water would work fine in the canal locks. Neither of them is going to run out of water any time soon.
Click to expand...

The main problem is the artificial Gatun Lake they finally filled in 1913. The lake itself forms 21 miles of the canal route. It not only serves to supply water for the locks, but is also enables two-way travel without canal trench construction. It\'s actually a very clever idea and expedient, it was the inexhaustible Earth presumption that let them down.

You\'re not going fill that with sea water or any other kind of water. Nature has to do it.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/panama-canal-climate-change

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Click to expand...
 
On 06/06/2023 13:04, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2023-06-06, Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
On 06/06/2023 06:05, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 9:54:24 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

snip

one will cost $87 Trillion globally and be felt for the next 50 years or
something.
The Panama Canal is close to the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, and sea water would work fine in the canal locks. Neither of them is going to run out of water any time soon.

I am in no way any expert, but sea water would have problem flowing uphill. I think the canal locks need water higher up than sea level. They can pump it, but would require lots of energy.

No need for pumps, just use a few tankers to carry water up the canal.
Easy.

You\'re kidding, right?
Click to expand...

No, get a suitable barge with a large plughole in the bottom. At sea,
pull the plug so it fills with seawater, then navigate to the top of the
canal and pull the plug to release the seawater.

A man, a plan a cat, a canal - Panama.

--
Cheers
live
 
On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 14:24:35 +0100, Clive Arthur
<clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

On 06/06/2023 13:04, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2023-06-06, Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
On 06/06/2023 06:05, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 9:54:24?PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

snip

one will cost $87 Trillion globally and be felt for the next 50 years or
something.
The Panama Canal is close to the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, and sea water would work fine in the canal locks. Neither of them is going to run out of water any time soon.

I am in no way any expert, but sea water would have problem flowing uphill. I think the canal locks need water higher up than sea level. They can pump it, but would require lots of energy.

No need for pumps, just use a few tankers to carry water up the canal.
Easy.

You\'re kidding, right?

No, get a suitable barge with a large plughole in the bottom. At sea,
pull the plug so it fills with seawater, then navigate to the top of the
canal and pull the plug to release the seawater.

A man, a plan a cat, a canal - Panama.
Click to expand...

Gatun Lake is about 90 feet above sea level and covers 164 square
miles.

Do the math.
 
On 06/06/2023 14:51, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 14:24:35 +0100, Clive Arthur
clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

On 06/06/2023 13:04, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2023-06-06, Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
On 06/06/2023 06:05, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 9:54:24?PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

snip

one will cost $87 Trillion globally and be felt for the next 50 years or
something.
The Panama Canal is close to the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, and sea water would work fine in the canal locks. Neither of them is going to run out of water any time soon.

I am in no way any expert, but sea water would have problem flowing uphill. I think the canal locks need water higher up than sea level. They can pump it, but would require lots of energy.

No need for pumps, just use a few tankers to carry water up the canal.
Easy.

You\'re kidding, right?

No, get a suitable barge with a large plughole in the bottom. At sea,
pull the plug so it fills with seawater, then navigate to the top of the
canal and pull the plug to release the seawater.

A man, a plan a cat, a canal - Panama.

Gatun Lake is about 90 feet above sea level and covers 164 square
miles.

Do the math.
Click to expand...

I\'d be grateful if you\'d keep that sort of information to yourself, at
least till I secure the funding.

--
Cheers
Clive
 
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 7:23:10 AM UTC-7, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 06/06/2023 14:51, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 14:24:35 +0100, Clive Arthur
cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

On 06/06/2023 13:04, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2023-06-06, Clive Arthur <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
On 06/06/2023 06:05, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 9:54:24?PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

snip

one will cost $87 Trillion globally and be felt for the next 50 years or
something.
The Panama Canal is close to the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, and sea water would work fine in the canal locks. Neither of them is going to run out of water any time soon.

I am in no way any expert, but sea water would have problem flowing uphill. I think the canal locks need water higher up than sea level. They can pump it, but would require lots of energy.

No need for pumps, just use a few tankers to carry water up the canal.
Easy.

You\'re kidding, right?

No, get a suitable barge with a large plughole in the bottom. At sea,
pull the plug so it fills with seawater, then navigate to the top of the
canal and pull the plug to release the seawater.

A man, a plan a cat, a canal - Panama.

Gatun Lake is about 90 feet above sea level and covers 164 square
miles.

Do the math.

I\'d be grateful if you\'d keep that sort of information to yourself, at
least till I secure the funding.
Click to expand...

OK, now we know you are joking. LOL.

Serious, might work better to raise fund for another path: Nicaragua Canal anyone? We can even sell a bridge across it.
 
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 10:43:15 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 12:54:24 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:55:34 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Another global warming induced problem. Cargo ships must reduce their load to meet the reduced draft requirements of the canal, and that makes shipping more expensive. If and when the canal becomes completely impassable, shipping costs will increase hundreds of percent, significantly worsening inflation in U.S. There are no quick fixes, it takes upwards of a decade to \"improve\" the canal.

https://phys.org/news/2023-04-drought-threatens-panama-canal-shipping..html

Panama Canal water levels are dangerously low because of a massive drought and it could mean bad things for global inflation

https://fortune.com/2023/06/02/panama-canal-water-levels-drought-inflation/

Things get worse with El Nino. One simplified analysis by a PhD candidate somewhere, estimated this one will cost $87 Trillion globally and be felt for the next 50 years or something.
The Panama Canal is close to the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, and sea water would work fine in the canal locks. Neither of them is going to run out of water any time soon.

The main problem is the artificial Gatun Lake they finally filled in 1913.. The lake itself forms 21 miles of the canal route. It not only serves to supply water for the locks, but is also enables two-way travel without canal trench construction. It\'s actually a very clever idea and expedient, it was the inexhaustible Earth presumption that let them down.

You\'re not going fill that with sea water or any other kind of water. Nature has to do it.
Click to expand...

Why not?

Not that you have too. It\'s the locks that get you up to the lake, and down from it on the other side; if you fill them with sea water to lift the boats, you\'ve done all you need to.

> https://www.wired.co.uk/article/panama-canal-climate-change

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 15:23:02 +0100, Clive Arthur
<clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

On 06/06/2023 14:51, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 14:24:35 +0100, Clive Arthur
clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

On 06/06/2023 13:04, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2023-06-06, Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
On 06/06/2023 06:05, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 9:54:24?PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

snip

one will cost $87 Trillion globally and be felt for the next 50 years or
something.
The Panama Canal is close to the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, and sea water would work fine in the canal locks. Neither of them is going to run out of water any time soon.

I am in no way any expert, but sea water would have problem flowing uphill. I think the canal locks need water higher up than sea level. They can pump it, but would require lots of energy.

No need for pumps, just use a few tankers to carry water up the canal.
Easy.

You\'re kidding, right?

No, get a suitable barge with a large plughole in the bottom. At sea,
pull the plug so it fills with seawater, then navigate to the top of the
canal and pull the plug to release the seawater.

A man, a plan a cat, a canal - Panama.

Gatun Lake is about 90 feet above sea level and covers 164 square
miles.

Do the math.


I\'d be grateful if you\'d keep that sort of information to yourself, at
least till I secure the funding.
Click to expand...

Oh. Sorry.
 
On Tue, 6 Jun 2023 05:43:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 12:54:24?AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:55:34?AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Another global warming induced problem. Cargo ships must reduce their load to meet the reduced draft requirements of the canal, and that makes shipping more expensive. If and when the canal becomes completely impassable, shipping costs will increase hundreds of percent, significantly worsening inflation in U.S. There are no quick fixes, it takes upwards of a decade to \"improve\" the canal.

https://phys.org/news/2023-04-drought-threatens-panama-canal-shipping.html

Panama Canal water levels are dangerously low because of a massive drought and it could mean bad things for global inflation

https://fortune.com/2023/06/02/panama-canal-water-levels-drought-inflation/

Things get worse with El Nino. One simplified analysis by a PhD candidate somewhere, estimated this one will cost $87 Trillion globally and be felt for the next 50 years or something.
The Panama Canal is close to the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, and sea water would work fine in the canal locks. Neither of them is going to run out of water any time soon.

The main problem is the artificial Gatun Lake they finally filled in 1913. The lake itself forms 21 miles of the canal route. It not only serves to supply water for the locks, but is also enables two-way travel without canal trench construction. It\'s actually a very clever idea and expedient, it was the inexhaustible Earth presumption that let them down.

You\'re not going fill that with sea water or any other kind of water. Nature has to do it.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/panama-canal-climate-change
Click to expand...

Lack of natural feed and evaporation is the problem. It\'s a 170
square-mile freshwater lake so even if one could pump in a few cubic
miles of sea water, the salt would wreck the ecology.
 
On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 11:55:30 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

Another global warming induced problem. Cargo ships must reduce their load to meet the reduced draft requirements of the canal, and that makes shipping more expensive. If and when the canal becomes completely impassable, shipping costs will increase hundreds of percent, significantly worsening inflation in U.S. There are no quick fixes, it takes upwards of a decade to \"improve\" the canal.

https://phys.org/news/2023-04-drought-threatens-panama-canal-shipping.html

Panama Canal water levels are dangerously low because of a massive drought and it could mean bad things for global inflation

https://fortune.com/2023/06/02/panama-canal-water-levels-drought-inflation/

Things get worse with El Nino. One simplified analysis by a PhD candidate somewhere, estimated this one will cost $87 Trillion globally and be felt for the next 50 years or something.
Click to expand...

This is a good book:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0671244094

There\'s a medical component to the story, the discoveries about
mosquitoes as disease vectors.
 
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 11:58:56 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 10:43:15 PM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 12:54:24 AM UTC-4, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:55:34 AM UTC+10, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Another global warming induced problem. Cargo ships must reduce their load to meet the reduced draft requirements of the canal, and that makes shipping more expensive. If and when the canal becomes completely impassable, shipping costs will increase hundreds of percent, significantly worsening inflation in U.S. There are no quick fixes, it takes upwards of a decade to \"improve\" the canal.

https://phys.org/news/2023-04-drought-threatens-panama-canal-shipping.html

Panama Canal water levels are dangerously low because of a massive drought and it could mean bad things for global inflation

https://fortune.com/2023/06/02/panama-canal-water-levels-drought-inflation/

Things get worse with El Nino. One simplified analysis by a PhD candidate somewhere, estimated this one will cost $87 Trillion globally and be felt for the next 50 years or something.
The Panama Canal is close to the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, and sea water would work fine in the canal locks. Neither of them is going to run out of water any time soon.

The main problem is the artificial Gatun Lake they finally filled in 1913. The lake itself forms 21 miles of the canal route. It not only serves to supply water for the locks, but is also enables two-way travel without canal trench construction. It\'s actually a very clever idea and expedient, it was the inexhaustible Earth presumption that let them down.

You\'re not going fill that with sea water or any other kind of water. Nature has to do it.
Why not?
Click to expand...

The lake is called a reservoir because it supplies potable water to at least one city, Colon, the surrounding countryside, and possibly agriculture.

There are a bunch of plans, mostly from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, to dam additional rivers and build even bigger reservoirs to handle worst case temporary droughts, as well as increase the daily traffic capacity of the canal which today stands at 36 passages. They\'re all on a 10-year time table. It\'s the American LNG suppliers who are pressuring authorities to fix the canal. They\'re looking at windfall sales to Asia.

Not that you have too. It\'s the locks that get you up to the lake, and down from it on the other side; if you fill them with sea water to lift the boats, you\'ve done all you need to.
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/panama-canal-climate-change

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Click to expand...
 
On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 2:46:55 PM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jun 2023 11:55:30 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote:

Another global warming induced problem. Cargo ships must reduce their load to meet the reduced draft requirements of the canal, and that makes shipping more expensive. If and when the canal becomes completely impassable, shipping costs will increase hundreds of percent, significantly worsening inflation in U.S. There are no quick fixes, it takes upwards of a decade to \"improve\" the canal.

https://phys.org/news/2023-04-drought-threatens-panama-canal-shipping.html

Panama Canal water levels are dangerously low because of a massive drought and it could mean bad things for global inflation

https://fortune.com/2023/06/02/panama-canal-water-levels-drought-inflation/

Things get worse with El Nino. One simplified analysis by a PhD candidate somewhere, estimated this one will cost $87 Trillion globally and be felt for the next 50 years or something.
This is a good book:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0671244094

There\'s a medical component to the story, the discoveries about
mosquitoes as disease vectors.
Click to expand...

You should look into what they were doing: things like pouring kerosene all over the place and fumigating with God only knows what.

https://curiosity.lib.harvard.edu/contagion/feature/tropical-diseases-and-the-construction-of-the-panama-canal-1904-1914
 
On 2023-06-06, Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
On 06/06/2023 13:04, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2023-06-06, Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
On 06/06/2023 06:05, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 9:54:24 PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

snip

one will cost $87 Trillion globally and be felt for the next 50 years or
something.
The Panama Canal is close to the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, and sea water would work fine in the canal locks. Neither of them is going to run out of water any time soon.

I am in no way any expert, but sea water would have problem flowing uphill. I think the canal locks need water higher up than sea level. They can pump it, but would require lots of energy.

No need for pumps, just use a few tankers to carry water up the canal.
Easy.

You\'re kidding, right?

No,
Click to expand...

Ah you\'re fucking loopy then. There\'s no way to do that because the
canal works by boyancy. a vessel transporting water displaces at-least an equal
mass of water, so in the best case (where the vessel entrirely fills
the lock) you need spend the same amount of
water in the lock to lift the vessel.

get a suitable barge with a large plughole in the bottom. At sea,
pull the plug so it fills with seawater, then navigate to the top of the
canal and pull the plug to release the seawater.
Click to expand...

That\'s not going to work.

> A man, a plan a cat, a canal - Panama.

Why did you add the cat?

--
Jasen.
🇺🇦 Слава Україні
 
On Wed, 7 Jun 2023 07:35:20 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
<usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

On 2023-06-06, Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
On 06/06/2023 13:04, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2023-06-06, Clive Arthur <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
On 06/06/2023 06:05, Ed Lee wrote:
On Monday, June 5, 2023 at 9:54:24?PM UTC-7, Anthony William Sloman wrote:

snip

one will cost $87 Trillion globally and be felt for the next 50 years or
something.
The Panama Canal is close to the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, and sea water would work fine in the canal locks. Neither of them is going to run out of water any time soon.

I am in no way any expert, but sea water would have problem flowing uphill. I think the canal locks need water higher up than sea level. They can pump it, but would require lots of energy.

No need for pumps, just use a few tankers to carry water up the canal.
Easy.

You\'re kidding, right?

No,

Ah you\'re fucking loopy then. There\'s no way to do that because the
canal works by boyancy. a vessel transporting water displaces at-least an equal
mass of water, so in the best case (where the vessel entrirely fills
the lock) you need spend the same amount of
water in the lock to lift the vessel.
Click to expand...

Right. Why bother with all that steel?

And a barge full of saltwater will sink in a freshwater lake, as soon
as it passes the locks.

What this group needs is a chemist to remind us of basics like this.
 
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