Driver to drive?

On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:45:14 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com>
wrote:

"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
news:XlvXl.25532$as4.15126@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Joerg wrote:
news-support@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to
continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.


Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in
their ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here
and some may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They
did not send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.


Supernews.


That looks rather expensive, considering that $25/mo buys complete
broadband access out here. Well, now sans Usenet :-(

https://www.supernews.com/signup/

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.


a.. Usenet was created in 1979 as a uniquely social way for people to
exchange information on the Internet. Over the past 2 decades Usenet has
evolved into a thriving global community with its own language, history, and
culture. Try SupernewsŽ personal service to begin your Usenet adventure and
to get the most out of your Usenet experience.

This is Supernews's blurb about the news groups. They forgot a key word, And
FREE way to exchange information. Furthermore, in actuality, the "Usenet has
evolved into a" dying global community of cranks, spammers, smart asses and
dolts that is not worth more than a dollar or two a month and shouldn't cost
anything over the regular ISP access fee.

Even these jackasses are 10 years out of date. 1979 was 30 years ago not 20
and they have not even updated their blurb.
The USNET is dead and paying for it helped kill it. Apparently everybody is
moving to the blogosphere.




BLOGs or a friggin binary LOG are/is lame. One sided, vanity based
Click to expand...
stupidity. No scientist in their right mind has any business making or
maintaining a brag site. It is truly pathetic.

Usenet will not die. If it does, then the next level will be a GUI
based version called BluesNews. :-] for those of us that have the blues
about The News... If we can bit torrent hundreds of Gigabytes with 50 or
60 sockets open on our box, we ought to be able to come up with a new
version of this medium that uses the cloud paradigm and the piss and moan
ISPs will not have to maintain servers anymore, which is their big piss
and moan anyway. The asswipes are too stupid to admin one themselves, so
they have to hire a geek to do it, and factor in that cost. When the
economy tightens up, idiots that do not know what Usenet is to begin
with, think that their brand of Internet experience is the only
demographic they need to satisfy.

It really is sad and stupid, because if they kill it, things will get
worse, not better. EVERYONE will use bit torrents and other sharing
methods. Bandwidth utilization will climb 30 or 40% higher than it
currently is. Redundant data streams will be passing around allover the
place. It is truly pathetic that "free access" is the very thing that
handcuffs us from getting the spammers, smart asses,and dolts.
 
Martin Riddle wrote:
if you can live with out binaries try motzarella.org
He does carry abse, but not all articles show up.
Click to expand...
Yes, Lawrence was mentioning that but someone over in Germany said that
it's blocked with some folks just like I've blocked Google, on account
of spam.

But I'll see, they also have a nice server at Berlin University where
you pay 10 Euros a year and that's it. If you don't want it any longer
you just don't renew. An engineer in Paraguay uses it successfully for
years and if it works down there it'll sure work over here from the US:

http://news.individual.de/

There is also a very laudable Open News Network project going on:

http://www.open-news-network.org/

Both seem to require dealing with the German language at least for
sign-up but since I grew up there ...

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
 
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:27:19 -0700, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Bart! wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:27:12 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Reality though is that they have you over the barrel. It's a de-facto
monopoly.


Absolutely not. AT&T would take a big dump, if consumers would simply
take a big dump on AT&T.

Dopey consumers never learn though. There are still idiots out there
using AOL.


Well, a few years ago when AT&T had technical problems I checked into
that. All alternative providers were more expensive, sometimes a lot
more expensive. Currently I am paying $25/month for pretty reliable
broadband. Sure, I could pay north of $50 (rate for folks who don't want
cable TV) for Comcast Internet which is competing out here but AFAIK
they also dropped Usenet some time ago ;-)
Click to expand...
Pretty soon, you'll be able to get access anywhere in the country from
satellite. You'll even be able to do so while camping.

No, I am not talking about the triple overpriced dog service from
Hughes.
 
"FatBytestard" <FatBytestard@somewheronyourharddrive.org> wrote in message
news:ufvt2559eq6ha3fscfbl56apd5k16mt1b6@4ax.com...
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:45:14 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:


"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
news:XlvXl.25532$as4.15126@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Joerg wrote:
news-support@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to
continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.


Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in
their ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks
here
and some may miss that little message I thought I better post it.
They
did not send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.


Supernews.


That looks rather expensive, considering that $25/mo buys complete
broadband access out here. Well, now sans Usenet :-(

https://www.supernews.com/signup/

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.


a.. Usenet was created in 1979 as a uniquely social way for people to
exchange information on the Internet. Over the past 2 decades Usenet has
evolved into a thriving global community with its own language, history,
and
culture. Try SupernewsŽ personal service to begin your Usenet adventure
and
to get the most out of your Usenet experience.

This is Supernews's blurb about the news groups. They forgot a key word,
And
FREE way to exchange information. Furthermore, in actuality, the "Usenet
has
evolved into a" dying global community of cranks, spammers, smart asses
and
dolts that is not worth more than a dollar or two a month and shouldn't
cost
anything over the regular ISP access fee.

Even these jackasses are 10 years out of date. 1979 was 30 years ago not
20
and they have not even updated their blurb.
The USNET is dead and paying for it helped kill it. Apparently everybody
is
moving to the blogosphere.




BLOGs or a friggin binary LOG are/is lame. One sided, vanity based
stupidity. No scientist in their right mind has any business making or
maintaining a brag site. It is truly pathetic.

Usenet will not die. If it does, then the next level will be a GUI
based version called BluesNews. :-] for those of us that have the blues
about The News... If we can bit torrent hundreds of Gigabytes with 50 or
60 sockets open on our box, we ought to be able to come up with a new
version of this medium that uses the cloud paradigm and the piss and moan
ISPs will not have to maintain servers anymore, which is their big piss
and moan anyway. The asswipes are too stupid to admin one themselves, so
they have to hire a geek to do it, and factor in that cost. When the
economy tightens up, idiots that do not know what Usenet is to begin
with, think that their brand of Internet experience is the only
demographic they need to satisfy.

It really is sad and stupid, because if they kill it, things will get
worse, not better. EVERYONE will use bit torrents and other sharing
methods. Bandwidth utilization will climb 30 or 40% higher than it
currently is. Redundant data streams will be passing around allover the
place. It is truly pathetic that "free access" is the very thing that
handcuffs us from getting the spammers, smart asses,and dolts.
Click to expand...
I certainly wouldn't mind paying for a good product but to pay for the
present Usenet seems absurd. There are over 100,000 news groups and 99% of
them have nothing, no posts, nothing. Some like the binaries are 90% spam.
Even this group is about 50% spam. Yes you can filter them however people
are not here like in the past. I've been on the news groups for about 25
years since the middle 80's and they are a tiny vestige of what they once
were. Most internet users do not use or even know about the Usenet. With
ISP's dropping the service people are not going to migrate to the paid
services. They don't even know they exists. And if they do visit, they throw
up their hands and say well, this is crap and wont resign. The Usenet is
dying, lets hope something with good bandwidth like you mentioned above
replaces it, but when?
 
In article <_pzXl.31379$Ws1.8125@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com>,
Joerg <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

I just wonder how they do that for free. There must be some income,
somewhere.
Click to expand...
They take donations. I haven't really looked that closely, but they may
also have other services and provide free news service as something they
believe in. If you can get the feed, it's not out of the realm of one
reasonably paid (from some other job) guy and a mission - I actually
considered setting up a small server to handle the groups I care about
that were being chopped, but couldn't figure out how to get a feed - and
I don't know at what point I couldn't handle the costs as scale grew.

I'm not all that picky about how they do it so long as they do it - if
they stop, I'll consider other options. I did try some other "free
newservers" but they didn't actually work [ well | at all | posting was
not allowed ] or had no alt groups (the plague I was running away from
with my former news provider - as you know, letting the people read
alt.crafts.blacksmithing will bring down the network with red hot
metal...)

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by
 
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:54:09 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com>
wrote:

"FatBytestard" <FatBytestard@somewheronyourharddrive.org> wrote in message
news:ufvt2559eq6ha3fscfbl56apd5k16mt1b6@4ax.com...
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:45:14 -0700, "Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com
wrote:


"Joerg" <notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
news:XlvXl.25532$as4.15126@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Joerg wrote:
news-support@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to
continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.


Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in
their ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks
here
and some may miss that little message I thought I better post it.
They
did not send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.


Supernews.


That looks rather expensive, considering that $25/mo buys complete
broadband access out here. Well, now sans Usenet :-(

https://www.supernews.com/signup/

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.


a.. Usenet was created in 1979 as a uniquely social way for people to
exchange information on the Internet. Over the past 2 decades Usenet has
evolved into a thriving global community with its own language, history,
and
culture. Try SupernewsŽ personal service to begin your Usenet adventure
and
to get the most out of your Usenet experience.

This is Supernews's blurb about the news groups. They forgot a key word,
And
FREE way to exchange information. Furthermore, in actuality, the "Usenet
has
evolved into a" dying global community of cranks, spammers, smart asses
and
dolts that is not worth more than a dollar or two a month and shouldn't
cost
anything over the regular ISP access fee.

Even these jackasses are 10 years out of date. 1979 was 30 years ago not
20
and they have not even updated their blurb.
The USNET is dead and paying for it helped kill it. Apparently everybody
is
moving to the blogosphere.




BLOGs or a friggin binary LOG are/is lame. One sided, vanity based
stupidity. No scientist in their right mind has any business making or
maintaining a brag site. It is truly pathetic.

Usenet will not die. If it does, then the next level will be a GUI
based version called BluesNews. :-] for those of us that have the blues
about The News... If we can bit torrent hundreds of Gigabytes with 50 or
60 sockets open on our box, we ought to be able to come up with a new
version of this medium that uses the cloud paradigm and the piss and moan
ISPs will not have to maintain servers anymore, which is their big piss
and moan anyway. The asswipes are too stupid to admin one themselves, so
they have to hire a geek to do it, and factor in that cost. When the
economy tightens up, idiots that do not know what Usenet is to begin
with, think that their brand of Internet experience is the only
demographic they need to satisfy.

It really is sad and stupid, because if they kill it, things will get
worse, not better. EVERYONE will use bit torrents and other sharing
methods. Bandwidth utilization will climb 30 or 40% higher than it
currently is. Redundant data streams will be passing around allover the
place. It is truly pathetic that "free access" is the very thing that
handcuffs us from getting the spammers, smart asses,and dolts.

I certainly wouldn't mind paying for a good product but to pay for the
present Usenet seems absurd. There are over 100,000 news groups and 99% of
them have nothing, no posts, nothing. Some like the binaries are 90% spam.
Even this group is about 50% spam. Yes you can filter them however people
are not here like in the past. I've been on the news groups for about 25
years since the middle 80's and they are a tiny vestige of what they once
were. Most internet users do not use or even know about the Usenet. With
ISP's dropping the service people are not going to migrate to the paid
services. They don't even know they exists. And if they do visit, they throw
up their hands and say well, this is crap and wont resign. The Usenet is
dying, lets hope something with good bandwidth like you mentioned above
replaces it, but when?

The chat forums are where things are moving, but it is easy to note
Click to expand...
that they are clique centric, and it is easy to piss off some dope that
'is tight with' the forum's host or the host himself (or herself).

IRC is nice, but folks get real control greedy there as well.

Reminds me of Genesis, The Carpet Crawlers.

"You gotta get in to get out..."

Really though.. Bit torrents are working fine and they are big hogs,
so we should be able to author something where we can re-create some key
groups and a message posting paradigm, yet it will take up very little
bandwidth. We could even convince those about to kill what they have, to
use those servers for our new groups which actually *are* in use. The
group list management alone with a mere couple hundred groups, would be
far faster than the current 100,000 group model, despite most of the
groups being mere spam outlets and virus phishing hooks, most of those
groups are not even in use.

Kind of like people. We are all exactly the same... only different. :-]
We need the same thing we currently have, only different.

On the chat sessions I see on say "GameSpy" (a game server manager),
while one is waiting to join a game, etc., I notice that certain words
get automatically filtered by their chat engine. The 'engine' can even
be set up to 'kick' someone for a given period for too many 'offenses'.

Letting a person manage it always will lead to corruption. Letting a
computer and a rules based engine arbitrate it, and all is fair for all.

That way, Terrell would also be filtered, and kicked, as would I.

But in this 'new' realm I describe, folks like me could not exist.

I would be forced to be nice... or be gone!

Then the between the lines dialogs could really get going! :)
J/K
 
miso@sushi.com wrote:
I've never done this, but is there something stopping someone from
setting up a news server at home on a linux box, then only carry what
you want to read? Assuming no port blocking, that sounds doable. Be
your own server.
Click to expand...
So long as your peer(s), other news servers that your server exchanges
netnews articles with, are ok with that, then you can do that.
Setting up a news server means that you find someone also running
a news server, and negociate with him for exchanging articles.
This is usually done without any financial interest in both party.

I happen to run a news server myself, and this article came from it.
I have currently 3 peer sites that I exchange news articles.
Now if I carry only, say 'sci.electronics.design' in my server, then
my peers have less reason to keep peering with me.
But you know, that is entirely possible. If you have a friend who runs
a news server, and willing to provide some bandwidth for you, you can
do that. There are also commercial news servers that do peering with
you for fee.

Atsunori
 
Joerg wrote:
How do they run those free servers? I mean, they do need electricity and
the occasional hard drive replacement, plus TLC by people.
Click to expand...

They are used as test beds for companies that run larger, paid news
farms. if they want to test new software, or hardware, they do it on
their 'free' news server. The users are their unpaid QA. OTOH, if
something major fails on the main farm, some hardware can be pulled from
the free servers, into the main server farm while they wait on parts.

news:alt.free.newsservers is a group that discusses the various free
NNTP servers. It is full of trolls, morons and kooks, but there is some
useful information, if you read by subject. They report new NNTP
servers, problems, and notices about servers that have been shut down.

The big problem is that a lot of people filter out everything from
rouge NNTP servers.

--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!
 
Joerg wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
Joerg wrote:

That looks rather expensive, considering that $25/mo buys complete
broadband access out here. Well, now sans Usenet :-(

My solution at for discussion groups was to subscribe to Teranews free
service. The connectivity isn't briliant when the USA is awake but it
is a single payment of some nominal amount ~$5 for a permanent ID on
the free server for the discussion groups.

That sounds like another good alternative.
Click to expand...
It is cheap and works. Sometimes posting gives an authorisation error
the first time around.
https://www.supernews.com/signup/

There are other free servers available on test for a while if you
don't mind poking around. They tend to be less than entirely reliable.


How do they run those free servers? I mean, they do need electricity and
the occasional hard drive replacement, plus TLC by people.
Click to expand...
Insecurely :(

Two main sorts exist. A few are testbeds for real ISPs or services
running beta software before putting it on a large scale deployment.
Most of the rest haven't got their security right and are open to abuse.
It is usually only a matter of time before they wake up and fix things.

They can be useful for reading Usenet even if you don't have posting
rights. There are a few more readonly newservers about.

Google will find you a lit of the current ones - but it is a hassle
changing server every few weeks.

Regards,
Martin Brown
 
On Jun 9, 8:25 pm, Archimedes' Lever <OneBigLe...@InfiniteSeries.Org>
wrote:
Pretty soon, you'll be able to get access anywhere
in the country from satellite.  You'll even be able
to do so while camping.

No, I am not talking about the triple overpriced
dog service from Hughes.
Click to expand...
Pie in the sky theory or tangible reality?
Got a LINK?
 
Joerg wrote:

miso@sushi.com wrote:
On Jun 9, 8:36 am, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net
wrote:
m...@sushi.com wrote:
On Jun 8, 5:44 pm, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@removethispacbell.net
wrote:
news-supp...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to
continue reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through
third-party vendors.
Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.
Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in
their ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here
and some may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They
did not send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!
So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.
--
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
So dump AT&T. That is the American way. ...
In most of America that's not the way. They enjoy a very plum monopoly
position. Gotta buy at the company store. Sure you can switch but I've
scoped that out: More Dollars since the "competing" ISP must pay Missy
Bell for the line. The cable TV company will charge an arm and a leg per
month unless you give in and buy cable TV as well, which we won't do.

... My ISP limits download
bandwidth from usenet, but not from the internet. Go figure. Since I
don't download pirated crap off usenet, the limit isn't a burden. When
google works, I find it better than any of the news readers.
Google? Not with a 10ft pole.

A quick check shows DSL Extreme still has newsgroups. Also sonic.net.
I won't suggest using my ISP since Speakeasy went to crap after Best
Buy bought them. What a pity. It used to be such a kick ass company.
Now the tech support is done by scripted idiots.
The other question is when others will drop Usenet. Kids don't even know
what Usenet is anymore.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

Yes, AT&T is the cheapest. However, they are AT&T. 'nuff said!


The last few years it has been quite reliable. Even before that they
usually fixed things quite quickly, can't complain. The promised
download speed is sustained even in the evenings when all the kids surf
for video or whatever. Only the first few years connectivity was an
issue because they probably oversold dynamic IP addresses.


I'm sure you know about dslreports.com The smaller providers are
geekier, so it is less likely to lose usenet. The next time I leave
town, I'm dumping Speakeasy. What you do is ask for an IP switch, so
it gets done in a few days.


It's dynamic IP or PPPoE in this case.


The only good thing about AT&T is you can get a 2wire modem. Great
modem, crappy wall-wart supplier. I use a 2701HG.


I still use ye olde Westell WireSpeed that they shipped around 2000.
Nothing gets hot, works, has weathered numerous thunderstorms.


About all that is missing from google news is binaries and a kill
file. It is not as bad as some people make it out to be.


The problem is Google's blissful ignorance regarding the enormous amount
of spam that spews out from their domain. I will not support that. So in
my opinion it is bad.
Click to expand...
I found a free news server at 202.177.16.121
Check out
http://www.disenter.com/
 
On 2009-06-09, miso@sushi.com <miso@sushi.com> wrote:

I've never done this, but is there something stopping someone from
setting up a news server at home on a linux box, then only carry what
you want to read? Assuming no port blocking, that sounds doable. Be
your own server.
Click to expand...
abolultely, you can run "inn" (or some other nntp server) on the linux box
and use "suck" to feed it news from a regular nntp reader account on
some other news server(s).

aioe won't work (eaily) with this as they require that messages are
posted with a message-id of their choosing.

it solves interactive latency problems, but messages are delayed a bit.
 
Archimedes' Lever wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:27:19 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Bart! wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:27:12 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Reality though is that they have you over the barrel. It's a de-facto
monopoly.

Absolutely not. AT&T would take a big dump, if consumers would simply
take a big dump on AT&T.

Dopey consumers never learn though. There are still idiots out there
using AOL.

Well, a few years ago when AT&T had technical problems I checked into
that. All alternative providers were more expensive, sometimes a lot
more expensive. Currently I am paying $25/month for pretty reliable
broadband. Sure, I could pay north of $50 (rate for folks who don't want
cable TV) for Comcast Internet which is competing out here but AFAIK
they also dropped Usenet some time ago ;-)

Pretty soon, you'll be able to get access anywhere in the country from
satellite. You'll even be able to do so while camping.

No, I am not talking about the triple overpriced dog service from
Hughes.
Click to expand...

Depends on your definition of "pretty soon" :)

In America this could be construed as "in a few months", in China it
could mean "in a couple of generations".

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
 
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Joerg wrote:
How do they run those free servers? I mean, they do need electricity and
the occasional hard drive replacement, plus TLC by people.


They are used as test beds for companies that run larger, paid news
farms. if they want to test new software, or hardware, they do it on
their 'free' news server. The users are their unpaid QA. OTOH, if
something major fails on the main farm, some hardware can be pulled from
the free servers, into the main server farm while they wait on parts.

news:alt.free.newsservers is a group that discusses the various free
NNTP servers. It is full of trolls, morons and kooks, but there is some
useful information, if you read by subject. They report new NNTP
servers, problems, and notices about servers that have been shut down.

The big problem is that a lot of people filter out everything from
rouge NNTP servers.
Click to expand...
That's what I've heard from many people. I am looking for one that isn't
generally filtered out. Doesn't have to be free. So far it looks like
news.individual.de could be the ticket.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.
 
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 09:28:00 -0700, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Archimedes' Lever wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:27:19 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Bart! wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:27:12 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Reality though is that they have you over the barrel. It's a de-facto
monopoly.

Absolutely not. AT&T would take a big dump, if consumers would simply
take a big dump on AT&T.

Dopey consumers never learn though. There are still idiots out there
using AOL.

Well, a few years ago when AT&T had technical problems I checked into
that. All alternative providers were more expensive, sometimes a lot
more expensive. Currently I am paying $25/month for pretty reliable
broadband. Sure, I could pay north of $50 (rate for folks who don't want
cable TV) for Comcast Internet which is competing out here but AFAIK
they also dropped Usenet some time ago ;-)

Pretty soon, you'll be able to get access anywhere in the country from
satellite. You'll even be able to do so while camping.

No, I am not talking about the triple overpriced dog service from
Hughes.


Depends on your definition of "pretty soon" :)

In America this could be construed as "in a few months", in China it
could mean "in a couple of generations".
Click to expand...

Probably before that passage of two years.
 
"David Gravereaux" <davygrvy@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:I--dnf4lLcQuZbPXnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@giganews.com...

Dave,
I've just looked at your signed messages with both Outlook Express, and
Windows Live. I cannot see the content unless I use the "view source"
option, which is a procedure of several steps. Please, give this up. It is a
senseless way of alienating yourself, and makes it much harder for me to
create a dossier of your activities, location, contact details, and other
personal information.

Regards,
Bob Morein
(310) 237-6511
 
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:40:00 GMT, <news-support@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.
Click to expand...
Yep, i am shopping for a news server now. There may be a blip in my
participation.
 
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:29:22 -0700, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:31:37 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:44:12 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

news-support@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.

Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in their
ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here and some
may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They did not
send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.
Started from a different ISP (Verizon) but I jumped to APN (from Forte')
a while ago to be able to get usenet access -- and my own files and
filters -- when not logged in through Verizon.

APN is currently reselling EasyNews with a slightly different cost
structure. Been with them a couple of years now, pretty cheap, no
complaints, good retention, lots o' groups.


Thanks, looks like it's this service:

http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php

$3/mo is ok, as long as they don't require the use of Agent. It's
supposedly a good newsreader but I don't want to change more than
needed, using Thunderbird right now. Works fine, gets rid of the Google
spam.

Caution: APN recently went _very_ erratic. APN staff fluffed me off
with, "It's EasyNews' problem", so I dropped them. I'm back to Cox.
Let me know when they get back to stable, and I'll renew ;-)

(I liked them because of full headers, though I have work-arounds now
;-)


Dang! And here I thought I had a solution. Back to square one :-(
Click to expand...
I think a lot of news providers are going to be a little unstable for
a while. That is a lot of accounts.
 
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:54:54 +0100, Martin Brown
<|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> wrote:

Joerg wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Joerg wrote:
news-support@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.

It is surprising that they kept it running that long. Most of the profit
oriented ISPs in the ROW have been quietly dropping Usenet for some
time. Most new users have no idea that Usenet exists. Google groups
hangs Usenet access off a very obscure sub-sub-menu these days.
Click to expand...
And that is the clue stick. 9000 pound gorilla with free primitive
interface and no apparent user demand. But lots of advertising
profits for the gorilla.
Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in
their ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here
and some may miss that little message I thought I better post it.
They did not send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.

Supernews.

Or Nin. Although personally I do not like their contract.

That looks rather expensive, considering that $25/mo buys complete
broadband access out here. Well, now sans Usenet :-(

My solution at for discussion groups was to subscribe to Teranews free
service. The connectivity isn't briliant when the USA is awake but it is
a single payment of some nominal amount ~$5 for a permanent ID on the
free server for the discussion groups.

https://www.supernews.com/signup/

There are other free servers available on test for a while if you don't
mind poking around. They tend to be less than entirely reliable.

Regards,
Martin Brown
Click to expand...
 
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:50:54 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue@yahoo.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:29:22 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:31:37 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Rich Webb wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:44:12 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

news-support@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Please note that on or around July 15, 2009, AT&T will no longer be
offering access to the Usenet netnews service. If you wish to continue
reading Usenet newsgroups, access is available through third-party
vendors.

Posted only internally to AT&T Usenet Servers.

Just got this little message. The "world delivered" as they say in their
ads, yeah right. Since this affects a large chunk of folks here and some
may miss that little message I thought I better post it. They did not
send it via email, just a small blurb in the NG. Hurumph!

So, where will y'all go now? Guess it's shopping time.
Started from a different ISP (Verizon) but I jumped to APN (from Forte')
a while ago to be able to get usenet access -- and my own files and
filters -- when not logged in through Verizon.

APN is currently reselling EasyNews with a slightly different cost
structure. Been with them a couple of years now, pretty cheap, no
complaints, good retention, lots o' groups.


Thanks, looks like it's this service:

http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php

$3/mo is ok, as long as they don't require the use of Agent. It's
supposedly a good newsreader but I don't want to change more than
needed, using Thunderbird right now. Works fine, gets rid of the Google
spam.

Caution: APN recently went _very_ erratic. APN staff fluffed me off
with, "It's EasyNews' problem", so I dropped them. I'm back to Cox.
Let me know when they get back to stable, and I'll renew ;-)

(I liked them because of full headers, though I have work-arounds now
;-)


Dang! And here I thought I had a solution. Back to square one :-(

I think a lot of news providers are going to be a little unstable for
a while. That is a lot of accounts.
Click to expand...
If only as you all find new news provisions, you also chose another
access provider, they would get the message pretty quick.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Welcome to EDABoard.com

Sponsor

Back
Top