Driver to drive?

John Larkin · Apr 22, 2009

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:23:05 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

Another example is the dominant furniture style: IKEA making slow inroads
against the standard velvety sofa http://www.homereserve.com/furn-
style.cfm?item=Sofa&sel=7

Hardly "dominant", but common and comfortable. We have all sorts of
furniture here, too. A lot of the Ikea stuff isn't comfortable.

IKEA certainly isn't dominant. In fact I've never seen it in anyone's
house. Perhaps it's ubiquitous in left lefty land but not the rest of
the country.

We did our offices mostly in Ikea. This "computer workstation" makes a
very nice workbench, except that they have discontinued it.

ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/DSC01371.JPG

The cabinet to the left is Ikea too. I like their office furniture
better than their home stuff, but it's all OK, and cheap.

We bought some Ikea stuff for the cabin in Truckee. We had to haul it
from Sacramanto, because there's not a single Ikea in Nevada.

Their swedish meatballs are pretty good.

This is a big country with a lot of variety. And there's nothing wrong
with tradition.

I prefer Ohio Amish built Mission style furniture, in Cherry.

http://www.greenacresfurniture.com/catalog/content/productcollection/?collection=118

...and it'll last longer than particle board with a picture of wood on
it.

Wood? All the way through?

John

krw · Apr 22, 2009

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:53:26 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:23:05 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

Another example is the dominant furniture style: IKEA making slow inroads
against the standard velvety sofa http://www.homereserve.com/furn-
style.cfm?item=Sofa&sel=7

Hardly "dominant", but common and comfortable. We have all sorts of
furniture here, too. A lot of the Ikea stuff isn't comfortable.

IKEA certainly isn't dominant. In fact I've never seen it in anyone's
house. Perhaps it's ubiquitous in left lefty land but not the rest of
the country.

We did our offices mostly in Ikea. This "computer workstation" makes a
very nice workbench, except that they have discontinued it.

ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/DSC01371.JPG

Looks pretty light. I'm used to 1-1/2" laminated maple tops.

The cabinet to the left is Ikea too. I like their office furniture
better than their home stuff, but it's all OK, and cheap.

We bought some Ikea stuff for the cabin in Truckee. We had to haul it
from Sacramanto, because there's not a single Ikea in Nevada.

Their swedish meatballs are pretty good.

Ikea meatballs taste like sawdust. ;-)

This is a big country with a lot of variety. And there's nothing wrong
with tradition.

I prefer Ohio Amish built Mission style furniture, in Cherry.

http://www.greenacresfurniture.com/catalog/content/productcollection/?collection=118

...and it'll last longer than particle board with a picture of wood on
it.

Wood? All the way through?

Cherry. All the way through. The Amish still build real furniture.

Here is our dining room:

http://www.greenacresfurniture.com/catalog/content/productcollection/?collection=117

We don't have the corner cupboard or the buffet, but have six chairs.
The table has four leaves stored in the center section and opens to
10'. It's heavy stuff.

krw · Apr 22, 2009

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:09:33 GMT, qrk <SpamTrap@spam.net> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:23:05 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:24:52 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:07:04 GMT, przemek klosowski
przemek.klosowski@gmail.nospam> wrote:

Allus Smith <allus_smith@com.com> wrote in

All this talk about soldering irons makes me think how crummy too much
American industrial design is.
Some US industrial design looks great but some looks downright, well,
Russian.

and John Larkin stood in defense of American innovation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_inventions

Absolutely, the US is the powerhouse of invention. However the industrial
design reflects the somehow conservative esthetics of the US population.

Of course. People manufacture what customers want to buy. And taste is
arbitrary.

My favorite example: electrical outlets and switches. The basic shape
looks like it was designed in the fifties and never changed:
http://www.fruitridgetools.com/storefrontprofiles/processfeed.aspx?
sfid=136763&i=230878456&mpid=8171&dfid=1

You just don't have stuff like this in Europe--the customers there
demands fancier, modern design, like the Decora switches. I am not saying
this is inherently good or bad: the standard switch costs fifty cents,
and is super-reliable.

We have all sorts of fancy outlets and switches here, including
Decora, and some people buy them. Personally, I don't like the Decora
switches.

I'm not much of a Decora fan either, but that's the only style they
make GFCI outlets in. I sorta like everything in the room to match,
so the Decora goes in the basement and garage. ;-)

Another example is the dominant furniture style: IKEA making slow inroads
against the standard velvety sofa http://www.homereserve.com/furn-
style.cfm?item=Sofa&sel=7

Hardly "dominant", but common and comfortable. We have all sorts of
furniture here, too. A lot of the Ikea stuff isn't comfortable.

IKEA certainly isn't dominant. In fact I've never seen it in anyone's
house. Perhaps it's ubiquitous in left lefty land but not the rest of
the country.

This is a big country with a lot of variety. And there's nothing wrong
with tradition.

I prefer Ohio Amish built Mission style furniture, in Cherry.

http://www.greenacresfurniture.com/catalog/content/productcollection/?collection=118

...and it'll last longer than particle board with a picture of wood on
it.

I have an Ikea stool in my office. It keeps people from lurking too
long since it's very uncomfortable.

I don't have any place for guests to sit. They don't stay long in my
office either. ;-)

Joerg · Apr 23, 2009

John Larkin wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:23:05 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

Another example is the dominant furniture style: IKEA making slow inroads
against the standard velvety sofa http://www.homereserve.com/furn-
style.cfm?item=Sofa&sel=7
Hardly "dominant", but common and comfortable. We have all sorts of
furniture here, too. A lot of the Ikea stuff isn't comfortable.
IKEA certainly isn't dominant. In fact I've never seen it in anyone's
house. Perhaps it's ubiquitous in left lefty land but not the rest of
the country.

We did our offices mostly in Ikea. This "computer workstation" makes a
very nice workbench, except that they have discontinued it.

ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/DSC01371.JPG

The cabinet to the left is Ikea too. I like their office furniture
better than their home stuff, but it's all OK, and cheap.

I've also got those shelves here. Ivar series or something? I am not
such a fan of Ikea, had stuff fall apart and warp at times.

We bought some Ikea stuff for the cabin in Truckee. We had to haul it
from Sacramanto, because there's not a single Ikea in Nevada.

We used to have to haul stuff from the Bay Area since that was the only
Ikea for a long time until the once in West Sac opened.

Their swedish meatballs are pretty good.

Oh yeah!

This is a big country with a lot of variety. And there's nothing wrong
with tradition.
I prefer Ohio Amish built Mission style furniture, in Cherry.

http://www.greenacresfurniture.com/catalog/content/productcollection/?collection=118

That is a whole 'nother level of quality and sturdiness. We have a
similar bed set from Germany. It's now around 100 years old and not at
all worn. Made it through two world wars (and my parents-in-law were
bombed out of one apartment).

...and it'll last longer than particle board with a picture of wood on
it.

Wood? All the way through?

I bet the Amish wouldn't have it any other way.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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Joerg · Apr 23, 2009

krw wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:09:33 GMT, qrk <SpamTrap@spam.net> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:23:05 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:24:52 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:07:04 GMT, przemek klosowski
przemek.klosowski@gmail.nospam> wrote:

Allus Smith <allus_smith@com.com> wrote in

All this talk about soldering irons makes me think how crummy too much
American industrial design is.
Some US industrial design looks great but some looks downright, well,
Russian.
and John Larkin stood in defense of American innovation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_inventions
Absolutely, the US is the powerhouse of invention. However the industrial
design reflects the somehow conservative esthetics of the US population.
Of course. People manufacture what customers want to buy. And taste is
arbitrary.

My favorite example: electrical outlets and switches. The basic shape
looks like it was designed in the fifties and never changed:
http://www.fruitridgetools.com/storefrontprofiles/processfeed.aspx?
sfid=136763&i=230878456&mpid=8171&dfid=1

You just don't have stuff like this in Europe--the customers there
demands fancier, modern design, like the Decora switches. I am not saying
this is inherently good or bad: the standard switch costs fifty cents,
and is super-reliable.
We have all sorts of fancy outlets and switches here, including
Decora, and some people buy them. Personally, I don't like the Decora
switches.
I'm not much of a Decora fan either, but that's the only style they
make GFCI outlets in. I sorta like everything in the room to match,
so the Decora goes in the basement and garage. ;-)

Another example is the dominant furniture style: IKEA making slow inroads
against the standard velvety sofa http://www.homereserve.com/furn-
style.cfm?item=Sofa&sel=7
Hardly "dominant", but common and comfortable. We have all sorts of
furniture here, too. A lot of the Ikea stuff isn't comfortable.
IKEA certainly isn't dominant. In fact I've never seen it in anyone's
house. Perhaps it's ubiquitous in left lefty land but not the rest of
the country.

This is a big country with a lot of variety. And there's nothing wrong
with tradition.
I prefer Ohio Amish built Mission style furniture, in Cherry.

http://www.greenacresfurniture.com/catalog/content/productcollection/?collection=118

...and it'll last longer than particle board with a picture of wood on
it.
I have an Ikea stool in my office. It keeps people from lurking too
long since it's very uncomfortable.

I don't have any place for guests to sit. They don't stay long in my
office either. ;-)

If you also don't want too many people using your bathroom this could be
installed:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/files/2007/penn_toilet.jpg

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

Jim Thompson · Apr 23, 2009

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:11:07 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:53:26 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:23:05 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

Another example is the dominant furniture style: IKEA making slow inroads
against the standard velvety sofa http://www.homereserve.com/furn-
style.cfm?item=Sofa&sel=7

Hardly "dominant", but common and comfortable. We have all sorts of
furniture here, too. A lot of the Ikea stuff isn't comfortable.

IKEA certainly isn't dominant. In fact I've never seen it in anyone's
house. Perhaps it's ubiquitous in left lefty land but not the rest of
the country.

We did our offices mostly in Ikea. This "computer workstation" makes a
very nice workbench, except that they have discontinued it.

ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/DSC01371.JPG

Looks pretty light. I'm used to 1-1/2" laminated maple tops.

The cabinet to the left is Ikea too. I like their office furniture
better than their home stuff, but it's all OK, and cheap.

We bought some Ikea stuff for the cabin in Truckee. We had to haul it
from Sacramanto, because there's not a single Ikea in Nevada.

Their swedish meatballs are pretty good.

Ikea meatballs taste like sawdust. ;-)

This is a big country with a lot of variety. And there's nothing wrong
with tradition.

I prefer Ohio Amish built Mission style furniture, in Cherry.

http://www.greenacresfurniture.com/catalog/content/productcollection/?collection=118

...and it'll last longer than particle board with a picture of wood on
it.

Wood? All the way through?

Cherry. All the way through. The Amish still build real furniture.

Here is our dining room:

http://www.greenacresfurniture.com/catalog/content/productcollection/?collection=117

We don't have the corner cupboard or the buffet, but have six chairs.
The table has four leaves stored in the center section and opens to
10'. It's heavy stuff.

krw · Apr 23, 2009

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:46:30 -0700, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

krw wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:09:33 GMT, qrk <SpamTrap@spam.net> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:23:05 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:24:52 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:07:04 GMT, przemek klosowski
przemek.klosowski@gmail.nospam> wrote:

Allus Smith <allus_smith@com.com> wrote in

All this talk about soldering irons makes me think how crummy too much
American industrial design is.
Some US industrial design looks great but some looks downright, well,
Russian.
and John Larkin stood in defense of American innovation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_inventions
Absolutely, the US is the powerhouse of invention. However the industrial
design reflects the somehow conservative esthetics of the US population.
Of course. People manufacture what customers want to buy. And taste is
arbitrary.

My favorite example: electrical outlets and switches. The basic shape
looks like it was designed in the fifties and never changed:
http://www.fruitridgetools.com/storefrontprofiles/processfeed.aspx?
sfid=136763&i=230878456&mpid=8171&dfid=1

You just don't have stuff like this in Europe--the customers there
demands fancier, modern design, like the Decora switches. I am not saying
this is inherently good or bad: the standard switch costs fifty cents,
and is super-reliable.
We have all sorts of fancy outlets and switches here, including
Decora, and some people buy them. Personally, I don't like the Decora
switches.
I'm not much of a Decora fan either, but that's the only style they
make GFCI outlets in. I sorta like everything in the room to match,
so the Decora goes in the basement and garage. ;-)

Another example is the dominant furniture style: IKEA making slow inroads
against the standard velvety sofa http://www.homereserve.com/furn-
style.cfm?item=Sofa&sel=7
Hardly "dominant", but common and comfortable. We have all sorts of
furniture here, too. A lot of the Ikea stuff isn't comfortable.
IKEA certainly isn't dominant. In fact I've never seen it in anyone's
house. Perhaps it's ubiquitous in left lefty land but not the rest of
the country.

This is a big country with a lot of variety. And there's nothing wrong
with tradition.
I prefer Ohio Amish built Mission style furniture, in Cherry.

http://www.greenacresfurniture.com/catalog/content/productcollection/?collection=118

...and it'll last longer than particle board with a picture of wood on
it.
I have an Ikea stool in my office. It keeps people from lurking too
long since it's very uncomfortable.

I don't have any place for guests to sit. They don't stay long in my
office either. ;-)

If you also don't want too many people using your bathroom this could be
installed:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/files/2007/penn_toilet.jpg

It would certainly discourage women from visiting.

krw · Apr 23, 2009

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:16:47 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:11:07 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:53:26 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:23:05 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

Another example is the dominant furniture style: IKEA making slow inroads
against the standard velvety sofa http://www.homereserve.com/furn-
style.cfm?item=Sofa&sel=7

Hardly "dominant", but common and comfortable. We have all sorts of
furniture here, too. A lot of the Ikea stuff isn't comfortable.

IKEA certainly isn't dominant. In fact I've never seen it in anyone's
house. Perhaps it's ubiquitous in left lefty land but not the rest of
the country.

We did our offices mostly in Ikea. This "computer workstation" makes a
very nice workbench, except that they have discontinued it.

ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/DSC01371.JPG

Looks pretty light. I'm used to 1-1/2" laminated maple tops.

The cabinet to the left is Ikea too. I like their office furniture
better than their home stuff, but it's all OK, and cheap.

We bought some Ikea stuff for the cabin in Truckee. We had to haul it
from Sacramanto, because there's not a single Ikea in Nevada.

Their swedish meatballs are pretty good.

Ikea meatballs taste like sawdust. ;-)

This is a big country with a lot of variety. And there's nothing wrong
with tradition.

I prefer Ohio Amish built Mission style furniture, in Cherry.

http://www.greenacresfurniture.com/catalog/content/productcollection/?collection=118

...and it'll last longer than particle board with a picture of wood on
it.

Wood? All the way through?

Cherry. All the way through. The Amish still build real furniture.

Here is our dining room:

http://www.greenacresfurniture.com/catalog/content/productcollection/?collection=117

We don't have the corner cupboard or the buffet, but have six chairs.
The table has four leaves stored in the center section and opens to
10'. It's heavy stuff.

A _real_ table (granite)...

http://www.analog-innovations.com/FamilyPixs/dsc00006.jpg

All of the counters in our house (five in the kitchen, two in the
great room, and three full bathrooms) with the exception of tha
laundry are granite. I'd rather have wood for some of them but my
wife doesn't like butcher block counters.

John Larkin · Apr 23, 2009

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:15:13 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

All of the counters in our house (five in the kitchen, two in the
great room, and three full bathrooms) with the exception of tha
laundry are granite. I'd rather have wood for some of them but my
wife doesn't like butcher block counters.

Granite is cold and so hard that anything bumped against it shatters.

Corian is fabulous stuff. I buy hunks on ebay and use it for
electronics fixtures, like pogo probe assemblies and such. It's good
for high temps, is a superb insulator, and machines better than
delrin.

We made a couple of precision magnetic-field mapper systems (lots of
stepper motor stages and such) on granite, because it's so stiff and
stable. But it's a bear-and-a-half to machine.

John

krw · Apr 23, 2009

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:26:37 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:15:13 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

All of the counters in our house (five in the kitchen, two in the
great room, and three full bathrooms) with the exception of tha
laundry are granite. I'd rather have wood for some of them but my
wife doesn't like butcher block counters.

Granite is cold and so hard that anything bumped against it shatters.

It's great for baking though and it stays clean.

Corian is fabulous stuff. I buy hunks on ebay and use it for
electronics fixtures, like pogo probe assemblies and such. It's good
for high temps, is a superb insulator, and machines better than
delrin.

Corian is great stuff, just not for countertops. It's too soft and it
will scorch. I like the "cultured" quartz. Too rich for my blood
though. The granite came in the house or I surely wouldn't have used
so much of it.

We made a couple of precision magnetic-field mapper systems (lots of
stepper motor stages and such) on granite, because it's so stiff and
stable. But it's a bear-and-a-half to machine.

Granite is used for optical benches too. I've never seen one but I'm

told that it's used for table/cabinet saws too. I'd think it too hard
for that (chips), particularly for the "T" slot. Cast iron is good
enough. ;-)

Jim Thompson · Apr 23, 2009

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:15:13 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:16:47 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:11:07 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:53:26 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:23:05 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

Another example is the dominant furniture style: IKEA making slow inroads
against the standard velvety sofa http://www.homereserve.com/furn-
style.cfm?item=Sofa&sel=7

Hardly "dominant", but common and comfortable. We have all sorts of
furniture here, too. A lot of the Ikea stuff isn't comfortable.

IKEA certainly isn't dominant. In fact I've never seen it in anyone's
house. Perhaps it's ubiquitous in left lefty land but not the rest of
the country.

We did our offices mostly in Ikea. This "computer workstation" makes a
very nice workbench, except that they have discontinued it.

ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/DSC01371.JPG

Looks pretty light. I'm used to 1-1/2" laminated maple tops.

The cabinet to the left is Ikea too. I like their office furniture
better than their home stuff, but it's all OK, and cheap.

We bought some Ikea stuff for the cabin in Truckee. We had to haul it
from Sacramanto, because there's not a single Ikea in Nevada.

Their swedish meatballs are pretty good.

Ikea meatballs taste like sawdust. ;-)

This is a big country with a lot of variety. And there's nothing wrong
with tradition.

I prefer Ohio Amish built Mission style furniture, in Cherry.

http://www.greenacresfurniture.com/catalog/content/productcollection/?collection=118

...and it'll last longer than particle board with a picture of wood on
it.

Wood? All the way through?

Cherry. All the way through. The Amish still build real furniture.

Here is our dining room:

http://www.greenacresfurniture.com/catalog/content/productcollection/?collection=117

We don't have the corner cupboard or the buffet, but have six chairs.
The table has four leaves stored in the center section and opens to
10'. It's heavy stuff.

A _real_ table (granite)...

http://www.analog-innovations.com/FamilyPixs/dsc00006.jpg

All of the counters in our house (five in the kitchen, two in the
great room, and three full bathrooms) with the exception of tha
laundry are granite. I'd rather have wood for some of them but my
wife doesn't like butcher block counters.

Phil Hobbs · Apr 23, 2009

krw wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:26:37 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:15:13 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

All of the counters in our house (five in the kitchen, two in the
great room, and three full bathrooms) with the exception of tha
laundry are granite. I'd rather have wood for some of them but my
wife doesn't like butcher block counters.
Granite is cold and so hard that anything bumped against it shatters.

It's great for baking though and it stays clean.

Corian is fabulous stuff. I buy hunks on ebay and use it for
electronics fixtures, like pogo probe assemblies and such. It's good
for high temps, is a superb insulator, and machines better than
delrin.

Corian is great stuff, just not for countertops. It's too soft and it
will scorch. I like the "cultured" quartz. Too rich for my blood
though. The granite came in the house or I surely wouldn't have used
so much of it.

We made a couple of precision magnetic-field mapper systems (lots of
stepper motor stages and such) on granite, because it's so stiff and
stable. But it's a bear-and-a-half to machine.

Granite is used for optical benches too. I've never seen one but I'm
told that it's used for table/cabinet saws too. I'd think it too hard
for that (chips), particularly for the "T" slot. Cast iron is good
enough. ;-)

Granite optical benches are very stable and have a huge thermal mass,
being huge solid chunks of ceramic. They work especially well for
things like bridges, where e.g. you need to mount a laser pointing
vertically down on the main table.

The bad part is that they don't have 1/4-20 holes on 1-inch centres.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal
ElectroOptical Innovations
55 Orchard Rd
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
845-480-2058
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

Jim Thompson · Apr 23, 2009

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:43:34 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

krw wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:26:37 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:15:13 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

All of the counters in our house (five in the kitchen, two in the
great room, and three full bathrooms) with the exception of tha
laundry are granite. I'd rather have wood for some of them but my
wife doesn't like butcher block counters.
Granite is cold and so hard that anything bumped against it shatters.

It's great for baking though and it stays clean.

Corian is fabulous stuff. I buy hunks on ebay and use it for
electronics fixtures, like pogo probe assemblies and such. It's good
for high temps, is a superb insulator, and machines better than
delrin.

Corian is great stuff, just not for countertops. It's too soft and it
will scorch. I like the "cultured" quartz. Too rich for my blood
though. The granite came in the house or I surely wouldn't have used
so much of it.

We made a couple of precision magnetic-field mapper systems (lots of
stepper motor stages and such) on granite, because it's so stiff and
stable. But it's a bear-and-a-half to machine.

Granite is used for optical benches too. I've never seen one but I'm
told that it's used for table/cabinet saws too. I'd think it too hard
for that (chips), particularly for the "T" slot. Cast iron is good
enough. ;-)

Granite optical benches are very stable and have a huge thermal mass,
being huge solid chunks of ceramic. They work especially well for
things like bridges, where e.g. you need to mount a laser pointing
vertically down on the main table.

The bad part is that they don't have 1/4-20 holes on 1-inch centres.

I've seen them that way, eons ago.

Around here, where granite kitchen counters abound, I would imagine
most any counter-top installer could provide you with such holes.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs

keithw86@gmail.com · Apr 23, 2009

On Apr 23, 10:16 am, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:15:13 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:16:47 -0700, Jim Thompson
To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:11:07 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:53:26 -0700, John Larkin
jjlar...@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:23:05 -0500, krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

Another example is the dominant furniture style: IKEA making slow inroads
against the standard velvety sofahttp://www.homereserve.com/furn-
style.cfm?item=Sofa&sel=7

Hardly "dominant", but common and comfortable. We have all sorts of
furniture here, too. A lot of the Ikea stuff isn't comfortable.

IKEA certainly isn't dominant. In fact I've never seen it in anyone's
house. Perhaps it's ubiquitous in left lefty land but not the rest of
the country.

We did our offices mostly in Ikea. This "computer workstation" makes a
very nice workbench, except that they have discontinued it.

ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/DSC01371.JPG

Looks pretty light. I'm used to 1-1/2" laminated maple tops.

The cabinet to the left is Ikea too. I like their office furniture
better than their home stuff, but it's all OK, and cheap.

We bought some Ikea stuff for the cabin in Truckee. We had to haul it
from Sacramanto, because there's not a single Ikea in Nevada.

Their swedish meatballs are pretty good.

Ikea meatballs taste like sawdust. ;-)

This is a big country with a lot of variety. And there's nothing wrong
with tradition.

I prefer Ohio Amish built Mission style furniture, in Cherry.

http://www.greenacresfurniture.com/catalog/content/productcollection/...

...and it'll last longer than particle board with a picture of wood on
it.

Wood? All the way through?

Cherry. All the way through. The Amish still build real furniture.

Here is our dining room:

http://www.greenacresfurniture.com/catalog/content/productcollection/....

We don't have the corner cupboard or the buffet, but have six chairs.
The table has four leaves stored in the center section and opens to
10'. It's heavy stuff.

A _real_ table (granite)...

http://www.analog-innovations.com/FamilyPixs/dsc00006.jpg

All of the counters in our house (five in the kitchen, two in the
great room, and three full bathrooms) with the exception of tha
laundry are granite. I'd rather have wood for some of them but my
wife doesn't like butcher block counters.

Wood (and even plastic) butcher blocks collect bacteria (and other
wondrous things) in the "scratches"... and are hard to clean.

Not so much wood. Plastic, certainly. Wood has natural anti-

bacterial properties that plastic doesn't have. The fact that the
wood grain splits actually helps. Wood cutting boards are much
preferred over plastic. Corean is the pits.

Joerg · Apr 24, 2009

Jim Thompson wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:11:07 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:53:26 -0700, John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:23:05 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

Another example is the dominant furniture style: IKEA making slow inroads
against the standard velvety sofa http://www.homereserve.com/furn-
style.cfm?item=Sofa&sel=7
Hardly "dominant", but common and comfortable. We have all sorts of
furniture here, too. A lot of the Ikea stuff isn't comfortable.
IKEA certainly isn't dominant. In fact I've never seen it in anyone's
house. Perhaps it's ubiquitous in left lefty land but not the rest of
the country.
We did our offices mostly in Ikea. This "computer workstation" makes a
very nice workbench, except that they have discontinued it.

ftp://jjlarkin.lmi.net/DSC01371.JPG
Looks pretty light. I'm used to 1-1/2" laminated maple tops.

The cabinet to the left is Ikea too. I like their office furniture
better than their home stuff, but it's all OK, and cheap.

We bought some Ikea stuff for the cabin in Truckee. We had to haul it
from Sacramanto, because there's not a single Ikea in Nevada.
Their swedish meatballs are pretty good.
Ikea meatballs taste like sawdust. ;-)

This is a big country with a lot of variety. And there's nothing wrong
with tradition.
I prefer Ohio Amish built Mission style furniture, in Cherry.

http://www.greenacresfurniture.com/catalog/content/productcollection/?collection=118

...and it'll last longer than particle board with a picture of wood on
it.

Wood? All the way through?
Cherry. All the way through. The Amish still build real furniture.

Here is our dining room:

http://www.greenacresfurniture.com/catalog/content/productcollection/?collection=117

We don't have the corner cupboard or the buffet, but have six chairs.
The table has four leaves stored in the center section and opens to
10'. It's heavy stuff.

A _real_ table (granite)...

http://www.analog-innovations.com/FamilyPixs/dsc00006.jpg

Are those the Home Depot (or Lowes?) Italian tiles? Heck, I laid them a
couple years ago and can't even remember. They were a little over $3/sqft.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
Use another domain or send PM.

Joerg · Apr 24, 2009

Jim Thompson wrote:

[...]

http://www.analog-innovations.com/FamilyPixs/dsc00006.jpg

BTW, your taste of art is, ahm, ahem, weird ...

--
SCNR, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

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Use another domain or send PM.

John Larkin · Apr 24, 2009

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:27:36 -0700, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

[...]

http://www.analog-innovations.com/FamilyPixs/dsc00006.jpg

BTW, your taste of art is, ahm, ahem, weird ...

Not to mention lamps, chairs, glassware, and flower arrangements. Yuk.

John

Jim Thompson · Apr 24, 2009

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:03:05 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:27:36 -0700, Joerg
notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

[...]

http://www.analog-innovations.com/FamilyPixs/dsc00006.jpg

BTW, your taste of art is, ahm, ahem, weird ...

Nope. It's modern art. I'm young at heart, unlike you, you're
mentally dead.

Not to mention lamps, chairs, glassware, and flower arrangements. Yuk.

John

You poor bastard. Glad to note I'm getting your goat as badly as
Slowman's ;-)
So happy to note that I can now aggravate Larkin just as easily as
Slowman ;-)

Larkin's first sign of senility is persistently trying to be an
asshole when he is realy nothing more than an amateur.

His second sign of senility is touting his company's wonderful
circuit designs as his own, while posting amateur crap on S.E.D

The third sign is acting like Polly Prissypants

Jim Thompson · Apr 24, 2009

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:27:36 -0700, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

[...]

http://www.analog-innovations.com/FamilyPixs/dsc00006.jpg

BTW, your taste of art is, ahm, ahem, weird ...

Modern expressionist plus much Native American art.

What is you aged mind into... American Gothic ?

James Sweet · Apr 24, 2009

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

In article <6pKdnW_chZqtYmzUnZ2dnUVZ_j1i4p2d@supernews.com>,
Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> writes:
Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article <fjlIl.34167$fe2.29061@newsfe06.ams2>,
"ian field" <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> writes:
In countries with different mains voltage, the ratio may need
adjusting, as filament lamp efficiency varies with the design
voltage. (The most efficient voltage to design a 100W lamp is
about 55V, given a reasonable life requirement, and as you move
the design voltage away from 55V in either direction, the lamp
efficiency drops.)

Interesting. I can see it dropping due to conduction losses when the
voltage gets too low (so that the wire gets too fat) but what's the
mechanism for the drop-off at high voltages?

Designing a full range of filament lamps to operate over a
wide range of voltages is a challenge rather like trying to
solve a set of simultaneous equations when there aren't
enough variables, so you end up with compromises, such as
lower efficiency.

To make a 240V filament, you need a very long thin wire.
It has far too much surface area to get to the 2700K operating
temperature without radiating 100W away at a lower temperature.
The way 240V filament lamps are made to work is to double
coil the filament, so that much of the filament is radiating
heat back onto itself, and the effective surface area for
radiating heat away from the filament is significantly
less than the filament's real surface area. This isn't as
effective as using an optimum thickness filament in the first
place, i.e. you have just the right surface area to radiate
100W when it's reached 2700K, and you still have a larger
surface area for filament evaporation and thinning.

And yes, you're right about heat loss by conduction down the
lead-in wires becoming increasingly significant at low
voltages/high currents. With longer fragile filaments, the loss
from the ends is proportionally less, but you may also require
filament supports, which are additional routes to lose heat,
and you lose more by convection to the gas-fill.

Most 120V tungsten lamps use a coiled coil filament as well, as do some
lower voltage lamps.

A major issue with long thin filaments is convective loss to the fill
gas. If you eliminate the fill gas and use a vacuum instead to solve
this problem, you greatly increase the evaporation rate of the tungsten;
out of the frying pan and into the fire.

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