Driver to drive?

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:27:34 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:23:05 -0800, John Larkin
jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandtechnology.com> wrote:

So skip the basics and take advanced courses.

Advanced courses? What advanced courses?
Well, twenty years ago (Wow! how time flies!) when I decided to go
back to school and get my EE degree, I learned a lot of interesting
lessons.

While I had been a hobbiest since I was a kid, my bachelors degree was
in psychology. I know that I didn't know a lot of the math and such,
so went back to get a second bachelors in EE. I moved from California
to New Mexico just to get into a program, and in my first class
learned my first lesson.

You don't need a bachelors in EE to get a Masters in EE.

Because of that lesson, I inquired back in California, and a year
later started at UC Santa Barbara in the Masters program.

I started taking a lot of the basic circuits and control theory
classes, and found myself on academic probation. In the masters
program, you need to keep a 3.0 gpa, but in those basic theory
classes, they graded to a 2.0 average. These were also the 'weed'
classes, where they TRIED to get students to fail, by heaping so much
make work on them that they would be overwhelmed. My problem - I
didn't do all the homework and make it look spiffy and nice, I just
did what I needed to learn the subject. I had A's and B's on all the
tests. In my second semester, the T.A.s taught me the second lesson:

When there is a bachelor level course, and a master's level course,
take the Master's level course.

In the BS course, they go into excruciating detail on the basics, as
well as heaping loads of meaningless homework on the poor students. In
the Master's class, they mention the important aspects of the basics
in teh first couple of weeks, and then get right to business. The
Master's courses also tended to be more real world, with actual
applications and circuits. If you could keep up, they were a lot more
fun. they also graded to a B curve, not a C curve!

The final lesson was, choose your professors carefully. I took
classes from many professors, but learned after almost flunking the
second class in a row from one professor, that we were not on the same
page. I had the same material from two different professors, and from
him it always sounded like greek, while I grok'd the material
instantly from the other. Sometimes, the learning chemistry is just
not there.

Charlie
 
On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:54:20 -0800, Charlie E. <edmondson@ieee.org>
wrote:

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:27:34 -0500, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:23:05 -0800, John Larkin
jjSNIPlarkin@highTHISlandtechnology.com> wrote:

So skip the basics and take advanced courses.

Advanced courses? What advanced courses?


Well, twenty years ago (Wow! how time flies!) when I decided to go
back to school and get my EE degree, I learned a lot of interesting
lessons.
Make that thirty-five. ;-)

While I had been a hobbiest since I was a kid, my bachelors degree was
in psychology. I know that I didn't know a lot of the math and such,
so went back to get a second bachelors in EE. I moved from California
to New Mexico just to get into a program, and in my first class
learned my first lesson.

You don't need a bachelors in EE to get a Masters in EE.
Nope. You should have shot your advisor.

Because of that lesson, I inquired back in California, and a year
later started at UC Santa Barbara in the Masters program.

I started taking a lot of the basic circuits and control theory
classes, and found myself on academic probation. In the masters
program, you need to keep a 3.0 gpa, but in those basic theory
classes, they graded to a 2.0 average. These were also the 'weed'
classes, where they TRIED to get students to fail, by heaping so much
make work on them that they would be overwhelmed. My problem - I
didn't do all the homework and make it look spiffy and nice, I just
did what I needed to learn the subject. I had A's and B's on all the
tests. In my second semester, the T.A.s taught me the second lesson:
All of our "flunk out" courses were in the other disciplines. In
particular, the years I was there it was Chemistry, Math, and the
third semester of Physics (where they even admitted they wanted 20% to
fail). In previous years the "flunk out" courses were Theoretical and
Applied Mechanics (YOY do EEs need to learn how to crush concrete?),
Thermodynamics, Statics, and Dynamics, all of which had been dropped
as requirements by the time I graduated.

When there is a bachelor level course, and a master's level course,
take the Master's level course.
Not having been in the graduate college, I couldn't take them but that
was well known by all, at the time. Actually, our EE department pretty
much graded on the 'B' (4.0 in our case) curve. By the time the
Junior year rolled around they'd gotten rid of enough.

In the BS course, they go into excruciating detail on the basics, as
well as heaping loads of meaningless homework on the poor students. In
the Master's class, they mention the important aspects of the basics
in teh first couple of weeks, and then get right to business. The
Master's courses also tended to be more real world, with actual
applications and circuits. If you could keep up, they were a lot more
fun. they also graded to a B curve, not a C curve!
I never turned in homework.

The final lesson was, choose your professors carefully. I took
classes from many professors, but learned after almost flunking the
second class in a row from one professor, that we were not on the same
page. I had the same material from two different professors, and from
him it always sounded like greek, while I grok'd the material
instantly from the other. Sometimes, the learning chemistry is just
not there.
I knew all about that from day one. I worked for the EE department as
a lab technician (the only bene of being an EE prof's kid) so was able
to be first in line for the EE sections I wanted. The first time I
took the semiconductor physics course I dropped it before I could fail
it. My advisor (Ben Streetman, who wrote the book) wasn't pleased
because it was a required course, but I forced him to sign the
paperwork. The next semester I took it again from him and had no
trouble with the course, at all. He was known as a tougher grader
too, but it's far easier to get a grade if you have a clue what's
going on, too. ;-) The first prof was an old geezer (one of my
father's buds, in fact) just waiting to retire. What a total loss.
 
In Thailand or other countries you can even find completely automatic
sex toys for males that do washing, cooking and cleaning.
 
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:05:45 -0700, RST Engineering - JIm wrote:
"Ian Bell" <ruffrecords@yahoo.com> wrote in message

Is it me or was it only 'in the old days' that people went into
electronics (.i.e. got educated in it at college level) because they
were already hooked on it and had built a bunch of stuff? A friend and I
were selling crystal radios at primary school before we were eleven
years old. By the time I was 18 and went to university I had read every
electronics book in the city library, passed the Radio Amateurs Exam,
and built dozens of bits of kit. Don't kids do that any more?

Dunno. I can only tell you that I offer my students a two letter grade
bonus if they achieve a General ham license during the semester and in
thirty years, not one taker.

(or if already a General, Extra.)
Does the General still include 13 WPM Morse code? That was the stopper
for me.

Thanks,
Rich
 
In article <pan.2009.11.02.18.34.07.70303@example.net>,
Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net> wrote:

Dunno. I can only tell you that I offer my students a two letter grade
bonus if they achieve a General ham license during the semester and in
thirty years, not one taker.

(or if already a General, Extra.)

Does the General still include 13 WPM Morse code? That was the stopper
for me.
There is no longer any Morse code requirement, for any amateur radio
license class. It was 5 WPM (for both General and Extra) up until
around 18 months ago, and was entirely eliminated at that time.

--
Dave Platt <dplatt@radagast.org> AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!
 
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:47:51 -0800 (PST), untergangsprophet
<filter001@desinformation.de> wrote:

In Thailand or other countries you can even find completely automatic
sex toys for males that do washing, cooking and cleaning.
Thailand is the leading country in... what kind of surgery was that
again?
 
Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:47:51 -0800 (PST), untergangsprophet
filter001@desinformation.de> wrote:

In Thailand or other countries you can even find completely automatic
sex toys for males that do washing, cooking and cleaning.

Thailand is the leading country in... what kind of surgery was that
again?

They didn't make dimbulb, did they?


--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!
 
Rich Grise wrote:

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:05:45 -0700, RST Engineering - JIm wrote:

"Ian Bell" <ruffrecords@yahoo.com> wrote in message

Is it me or was it only 'in the old days' that people went into
electronics (.i.e. got educated in it at college level) because they
were already hooked on it and had built a bunch of stuff? A friend and I
were selling crystal radios at primary school before we were eleven
years old. By the time I was 18 and went to university I had read every
electronics book in the city library, passed the Radio Amateurs Exam,
and built dozens of bits of kit. Don't kids do that any more?

Dunno. I can only tell you that I offer my students a two letter grade
bonus if they achieve a General ham license during the semester and in
thirty years, not one taker.

(or if already a General, Extra.)


Does the General still include 13 WPM Morse code? That was the stopper
for me.

Thanks,
Rich

There is no longer a (CW) code requirement.

But with practice, it don't take me long to get back
to 30 WPM.. :)
 
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde
<raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:

One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot
about nothing.

He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a
board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor. I don't think
you have to know the circuit to answer the question.

Talk about not understanding what he knows.
How would you like working with an entire cadre (over 100) of EEs
about that smart? That is why i have a love/hate relationship with my
job.
 
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:23:41 -0500, Les Cargill
<lcargill99@comcast.net> wrote:

ChrisQ wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:

I joined IEEE in 1962. Quit around 1968 when they made the
Proceedings extra cost.
Rejoined 5 years ago when I could get the old farts rate ;-)

Still couldn't get papers from outside my member groups.

Inquired about some kind of senior membership that would allow
reasonable-cost access to the "digital" libraries.

Confiscatory fees.

So I let my IEEE membership lapse.

Worthless bunch of shit-heads.


I just object to any self serving organisation that expects me to feel
gratefull for the high prices they are charging me.

Member organisations should be there to serve the members. Oherwise,
what is the point ?...

Regards,

Chris


Organizations that perpetuate themselves outlast those that don't.
However, raping your practitioner members (academic members are
normally paid for by the institution they work for) with excessive
fees is way counterproductive in perpetuating them selves as a
practice oriented organization. Oops my bad, the IEEE is not such any
more.
 
On Nov 5, 12:41 am, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde

raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot
about nothing.

He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a
board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor.  I don't think
you have to know the circuit to answer the question.

Talk about not understanding what he knows.

How would you like working with an entire cadre (over 100) of EEs
about that smart?  That is why i have a love/hate relationship with my
job.
You think you're smarter than a cadre of over 100 EE's?

You also think you're modest, right?
 
On Nov 5, 2:48 am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 5, 12:41 am, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde

raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot
about nothing.

He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a
board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor.  I don't think
you have to know the circuit to answer the question.

Talk about not understanding what he knows.

How would you like working with an entire cadre (over 100) of EEs
about that smart?  That is why i have a love/hate relationship with my
job.

You think you're smarter than a cadre of over 100 EE's?

You also think you're modest, right?
Well, maybe smarter than half. :^)

BTW, is the smartness comparison relative to each individual in the
group, or the group as a whole? 'Cuz if it's the latter case, then
you should really talk to management instead...

Tim
 
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:50:14 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
<paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

Greegor wrote:

On Nov 5, 12:41 am, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde

raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot
about nothing.

He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a
board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor. I don't think
you have to know the circuit to answer the question.

Talk about not understanding what he knows.

How would you like working with an entire cadre (over 100) of EEs
about that smart? That is why i have a love/hate relationship with my
job.

You think you're smarter than a cadre of over 100 EE's?

If he works for a company* that figures it can get the same quality work
out of 100 people with IQs of 75 as 50 people with IQs of 150, maybe he
is.

[snip worthless joke]

Hovnanian thinks the world revolves around his kind of "cadre". It
doesn't... his "cadre" are the losers of this world... Hovnanian is
the leader of the band ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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Greegor wrote:
On Nov 5, 12:41 am, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde

raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot
about nothing.

He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a
board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor. I don't think
you have to know the circuit to answer the question.

Talk about not understanding what he knows.

How would you like working with an entire cadre (over 100) of EEs
about that smart? That is why i have a love/hate relationship with my
job.

You think you're smarter than a cadre of over 100 EE's?
If he works for a company* that figures it can get the same quality work
out of 100 people with IQs of 75 as 50 people with IQs of 150, maybe he
is.

*Old joke at Boeing: Someone told a manager it took 9 women-months to
produce a baby. So he asked 9 women to get the job done in one month.

--
Paul Hovnanian mailto:paul@Hovnanian.com
------------------------------------------------------------------
Every time Windows crashes, a devil gets his horns.
 
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:50:14 -0800, Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
*Old joke at Boeing: Someone told a manager it took 9 women-months to
produce a baby. So he asked 9 women to get the job done in one month.
The first time I heard this it was about throwing programmers at a
software task. ("You can't get a baby in a month by getting nine ladies
pregnant!")

If it takes a man 150 hours to assemble a garage, can 150 men assemble a
garage in an hour? ;-)

CHeers!
Rich
 
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 00:48:51 -0800 (PST), Greegor <greegor47@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Nov 5, 12:41 am, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde

raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot
about nothing.

He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a
board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor.  I don't think
you have to know the circuit to answer the question.

Talk about not understanding what he knows.

How would you like working with an entire cadre (over 100) of EEs
about that smart?  That is why i have a love/hate relationship with my
job.

You think you're smarter than a cadre of over 100 EE's?
Yes, come meet them. See how many can still use Ohms law, and how
many recognize Shannon's law.

You also think you're modest, right?
Not particularly, nor do i think i am dishonest. Come try working
with the characters i have to work with. If you volunteer there is a
one year opening in Sacramento.
 
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:25:42 -0800 (PST), Tim Williams
<tmoranwms@gmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 5, 2:48 am, Greegor <greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 5, 12:41 am, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde

raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot
about nothing.

He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a
board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor.  I don't think
you have to know the circuit to answer the question.

Talk about not understanding what he knows.

How would you like working with an entire cadre (over 100) of EEs
about that smart?  That is why i have a love/hate relationship with my
job.

You think you're smarter than a cadre of over 100 EE's?

You also think you're modest, right?

Well, maybe smarter than half. :^)

BTW, is the smartness comparison relative to each individual in the
group, or the group as a whole? 'Cuz if it's the latter case, then
you should really talk to management instead...

Tim
In a sense that discussion has occurred, and the bottom of the barrel
wages has been partially relieved over the past few years. It did not
improve the quality of existing employees.
 
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:01:34 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:50:14 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

Greegor wrote:

On Nov 5, 12:41 am, "JosephKK"<quiettechb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde

raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:
One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot
about nothing.

He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a
board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor. I don't think
you have to know the circuit to answer the question.

Talk about not understanding what he knows.

How would you like working with an entire cadre (over 100) of EEs
about that smart? That is why i have a love/hate relationship with my
job.

You think you're smarter than a cadre of over 100 EE's?

If he works for a company* that figures it can get the same quality work
out of 100 people with IQs of 75 as 50 people with IQs of 150, maybe he
is.

[snip worthless joke]

Hovnanian thinks the world revolves around his kind of "cadre". It
doesn't... his "cadre" are the losers of this world... Hovnanian is
the leader of the band ;-)

...Jim Thompson
I do not believe that your response is called for.

Most of the idiots you have to work with are managers that screwed up
long term until getting into the situation where they needed to hire
someone like you. Most of the idiots you deal with i say.

Many others here profit in the same way.
 
krw wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde
raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:

One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot
about nothing.

He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a
board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor. I don't think
you have to know the circuit to answer the question.

Talk about not understanding what he knows.

Many moons ago, when GE still made small appliances, they had a
troubleshooting tip for a toaster suggesting that if it didn't work
the user should try reversing the plug. Kinda cute, actually.

They might have put that bit in because its less insulting than to say
"PLUG THE DAMN THING IN!"

--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"Š

"Use only Genuine Interocitor Parts" Tom Servo ;-P
 
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:04:06 -0500, RFI-EMI-GUY
<Rhyolite@NETTALLY.COM> wrote:

krw wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:09:20 +0000, Raveninghorde
raveninghorde@invalid> wrote:

One of my chaps is off to do his PhD, which means he will know a lot
about nothing.

He asked me the other day if reversing the 24V AC power supply to a
board had caused damage to an elctrolytic capacitor. I don't think
you have to know the circuit to answer the question.

Talk about not understanding what he knows.

Many moons ago, when GE still made small appliances, they had a
troubleshooting tip for a toaster suggesting that if it didn't work
the user should try reversing the plug. Kinda cute, actually.


They might have put that bit in because its less insulting than to say
"PLUG THE DAMN THING IN!"
Exactly; kinda cute. ;-)
 

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