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Just wondering. Saw that line in a TV show, the Mentalist.
Just wondering. Saw that line in a TV show, the Mentalist.
Just wondering. Saw that line in a TV show, the Mentalist.
On 7/21/19 5:50 PM, Rick C wrote:
Just wondering. Saw that line in a TV show, the Mentalist.
Sure--today, if you like. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
On 7/21/19 5:50 PM, Rick C wrote:
Just wondering. Saw that line in a TV show, the Mentalist.
Sure--today, if you like. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
On 7/21/19 5:50 PM, Rick C wrote:
Just wondering. Saw that line in a TV show, the Mentalist.
Sure--today, if you like. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
mandag den 22. juli 2019 kl. 18.49.01 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:38:57 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:
On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 7:10:42 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 7/21/19 5:50 PM, Rick C wrote:
Just wondering. Saw that line in a TV show, the Mentalist.
Sure--today, if you like. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Grin, Hey Phil, (speaking of religion) I've been sorta interested
in this idea that religion might be in some ways an evolutionary
adaption in humans, to the problem of how to get along and live together.
(I don't have a good link or paper to recommend.)
I'm wondering if you've heard of this idea, and what you think of it?
and if I trust you find the question offensive.
I agree. Religion is one of the things that a tribe or culture can
rally around, and creats a common morality that makes civilization
work better. The Ten Commandments, and Jesus's approach to life, make
for a pretty good legal and moral structure.
And it is easier to get the unwashed masses to obey the rules of you
convince them that God made the rules and God will see if they break
them even if they think no one else does, rather than try to explain
why and how sticking to the rules are best for everyone
mandag den 22. juli 2019 kl. 18.49.01 UTC+2 skrev John Larkin:
On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:38:57 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:
On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 7:10:42 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 7/21/19 5:50 PM, Rick C wrote:
Just wondering. Saw that line in a TV show, the Mentalist.
Sure--today, if you like. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Grin, Hey Phil, (speaking of religion) I've been sorta interested
in this idea that religion might be in some ways an evolutionary
adaption in humans, to the problem of how to get along and live together.
(I don't have a good link or paper to recommend.)
I'm wondering if you've heard of this idea, and what you think of it?
and if I trust you find the question offensive.
I agree. Religion is one of the things that a tribe or culture can
rally around, and creats a common morality that makes civilization
work better. The Ten Commandments, and Jesus's approach to life, make
for a pretty good legal and moral structure.
And it is easier to get the unwashed masses to obey the rules of you
convince them that God made the rules and God will see if they break
them even if they think no one else does, rather than try to explain
why and how sticking to the rules are best for everyone
On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:38:57 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:
On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 7:10:42 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 7/21/19 5:50 PM, Rick C wrote:
Just wondering. Saw that line in a TV show, the Mentalist.
Sure--today, if you like. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Grin, Hey Phil, (speaking of religion) I've been sorta interested
in this idea that religion might be in some ways an evolutionary
adaption in humans, to the problem of how to get along and live together.
(I don't have a good link or paper to recommend.)
I'm wondering if you've heard of this idea, and what you think of it?
and if I trust you find the question offensive.
I agree. Religion is one of the things that a tribe or culture can
rally around, and creats a common morality that makes civilization
work better. The Ten Commandments, and Jesus's approach to life, make
for a pretty good legal and moral structure.
--
John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
lunatic fringe electronics
On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:38:57 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:
On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 7:10:42 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 7/21/19 5:50 PM, Rick C wrote:
Just wondering. Saw that line in a TV show, the Mentalist.
Sure--today, if you like. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Grin, Hey Phil, (speaking of religion) I've been sorta interested
in this idea that religion might be in some ways an evolutionary
adaption in humans, to the problem of how to get along and live together.
(I don't have a good link or paper to recommend.)
I'm wondering if you've heard of this idea, and what you think of it?
and if I trust you find the question offensive.
I agree. Religion is one of the things that a tribe or culture can
rally around, and creats a common morality that makes civilization
work better. The Ten Commandments, and Jesus's approach to life, make
for a pretty good legal and moral structure.
On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 7:10:42 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 7/21/19 5:50 PM, Rick C wrote:
Just wondering. Saw that line in a TV show, the Mentalist.
Sure--today, if you like. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
Grin, Hey Phil, (speaking of religion) I've been sorta interested
in this idea that religion might be in some ways an evolutionary
adaption in humans, to the problem of how to get along and live together.
(I don't have a good link or paper to recommend.)
I'm wondering if you've heard of this idea, and what you think of it?
and if I trust you find the question offensive.
Yeah you can see the influence in some civilizations. But I think if it's
an evolutionary thing... like we have some genes/ adaptions that make us
(.. I don't know the right words here... ) 'more likely' to adopt a
'religious' outlook.. then that may have made those humans more successful,
they got along and trusted each other more.
(In times beofre we had civilizations.)
On Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:38:57 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:
On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 7:10:42 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 7/21/19 5:50 PM, Rick C wrote:
Just wondering. Saw that line in a TV show, the Mentalist.
Sure--today, if you like. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
Grin, Hey Phil, (speaking of religion) I've been sorta interested
in this idea that religion might be in some ways an evolutionary
adaption in humans, to the problem of how to get along and live together..
(I don't have a good link or paper to recommend.)
I'm wondering if you've heard of this idea, and what you think of it?
and if I trust you find the question offensive.
I agree. Religion is one of the things that a tribe or culture can
rally around, and creates a common morality that makes civilization
work better. The Ten Commandments, and Jesus's approach to life, make
for a pretty good legal and moral structure.
On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 7:10:42 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 7/21/19 5:50 PM, Rick C wrote:
Just wondering. Saw that line in a TV show, the Mentalist.
Sure--today, if you like. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
Grin, Hey Phil, (speaking of religion) I've been sorta interested
in this idea that religion might be in some ways an evolutionary
adaption in humans, to the problem of how to get along and live together.
On 23/7/19 2:38 am, George Herold wrote:
On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 7:10:42 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 7/21/19 5:50 PM, Rick C wrote:
Just wondering. Saw that line in a TV show, the Mentalist.
Sure--today, if you like. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
Grin, Hey Phil, (speaking of religion) I've been sorta interested
in this idea that religion might be in some ways an evolutionary
adaption in humans, to the problem of how to get along and live together.
The evolution of gods is less to do with need (though we do need ethical
frameworks) but more to do with the external expression of abstract
thought, i.e. writing. Pre-literate societies tend to be animistic, but
as writing allows the development of abstract categories, we create
them. So for example we see horses, and we see animals with horns, and
we can cross over the two ideas to suppose the existence of unicorns.
In the exact same way we cross over ideas of creation, of person-hood,
of justice and mercy, and you come up with a supposition of the Alpha
and Omega. It's intrinsic in the increase of sentience, and would happen
in a similar way on any alien planetary species (I find this a bit
depressing!).
The existence of writing allows these suppositions to take on a life of
their own and to be promulgated beyond the individual. The absence of
any positive confirmation doesn't stop folk wishing for certainty from
wasting their lives believing such nonsense, and of course it creates a
culture that cushions them from the absence of evidence.
Clifford Heath.
On Monday, July 22, 2019 at 7:12:14 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
On 23/7/19 2:38 am, George Herold wrote:
On Sunday, July 21, 2019 at 7:10:42 PM UTC-4, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 7/21/19 5:50 PM, Rick C wrote:
Just wondering. Saw that line in a TV show, the Mentalist.
Sure--today, if you like. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
Grin, Hey Phil, (speaking of religion) I've been sorta interested
in this idea that religion might be in some ways an evolutionary
adaption in humans, to the problem of how to get along and live together.
The evolution of gods is less to do with need (though we do need ethical
frameworks) but more to do with the external expression of abstract
thought, i.e. writing. Pre-literate societies tend to be animistic, but
as writing allows the development of abstract categories, we create
them. So for example we see horses, and we see animals with horns, and
we can cross over the two ideas to suppose the existence of unicorns.
In the exact same way we cross over ideas of creation, of person-hood,
of justice and mercy, and you come up with a supposition of the Alpha
and Omega. It's intrinsic in the increase of sentience, and would happen
in a similar way on any alien planetary species (I find this a bit
depressing!).
The existence of writing allows these suppositions to take on a life of
their own and to be promulgated beyond the individual. The absence of
any positive confirmation doesn't stop folk wishing for certainty from
wasting their lives believing such nonsense, and of course it creates a
culture that cushions them from the absence of evidence.
Clifford Heath.
OK, I guess this idea*.. is that God is more about just doing
good. On the individual level, if I first do good when I meet
you, (cooperate first in the simplistic tit for tat exchange.)
That's best... can you select for that?
George H.
*I'm at least 1/2 making this up, but aren't we a people
that help others first? Maybe God is so baked in now
that we take doing good for granted.
On 7/22/2019 1:01 PM, George Herold wrote:
...
Yeah you can see the influence in some civilizations. But I think if it's
an evolutionary thing... like we have some genes/ adaptions that make us
(.. I don't know the right words here... ) 'more likely' to adopt a
'religious' outlook.. then that may have made those humans more successful,
they got along and trusted each other more.
(In times beofre we had civilizations.)
Well, pre-civil-izations didn't have religions with a personal god.
I.e., a god that cared what they did. Their "religions" deified things
in nature (the god of wind, rain, etc). See "The Evolution of God".
Humans may have evolved since then to prefer a personal god, but
civilization is not that old and evolution is slow.
On Monday, July 22, 2019 at 7:12:14 PM UTC-4, Clifford Heath wrote:
The evolution of gods is less to do with need (though we do need ethical
frameworks) but more to do with the external expression of abstract
thought, i.e. writing. Pre-literate societies tend to be animistic, but
as writing allows the development of abstract categories, we create
them. So for example we see horses, and we see animals with horns, and
we can cross over the two ideas to suppose the existence of unicorns.
In the exact same way we cross over ideas of creation, of person-hood,
of justice and mercy, and you come up with a supposition of the Alpha
and Omega. It's intrinsic in the increase of sentience, and would happen
in a similar way on any alien planetary species (I find this a bit
depressing!).
The existence of writing allows these suppositions to take on a life of
their own and to be promulgated beyond the individual. The absence of
any positive confirmation doesn't stop folk wishing for certainty from
wasting their lives believing such nonsense, and of course it creates a
culture that cushions them from the absence of evidence.
Clifford Heath.
OK, I guess this idea*.. is that God is more about just doing
good. On the individual level, if I first do good when I meet
you, (cooperate first in the simplistic tit for tat exchange.)
That's best... can you select for that?
Maybe God is so baked in now
that we take doing good for granted.