Displays - Apple Mac vs. IBM PC

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Rick C

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I bet the Apple still have a huge leg up on PCs when it comes to displays. Yeah, they both have the same hardware these days, but the way the software manages things is so much better on the Mac. I remember using a Mac many years ago and everything from top to bottom had a consistent look and feel.. On the PC every program is in it's own world with unique fonts, sizes and windows.

I had this machine fairly tuned up and could get most things done without eye strain and yet still got to treat the display as if it could show more than one window at a time. Then I fired up an HDL tool and the fonts are all so small it was impossible to read them without surgeon's magnifiers. So I finally gave in and went for the Windows screen adjustment. Seems I already had it set to 125%. So I thought 150% might do well... adjust, reboot and the screen looked like I had dropped the resolution to 1024 instead of 1920 pixels wide. Everything was so huge! Ok, so I backed that off to 135% and it seems to be a bit better, the new app can be read with only a bit of eye strain. But now I have to go into every app and tweak details to get it to look right again.

On the Mac, if I could read one app, I could read them all! Too bad so much engineering software won't run on the Mac.

So how does Linux handle things like font sizes? I'm thinking it is really the wild west or it forces the user to manually muck with all the settings on every program. At least I can get a lot more engineering tools to run under Linux than on the Mac. I really do need to try Linux sometime.

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On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 11:25:51 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
> Most of the time. Alt Ctl + or - will work.

Is that Apple or PC?

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Linux or any X based system. Aren't Apple and Tesla X-win based? Never used either one before.
 
On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 11:25:51 PM UTC-5, edward...@gmail.com wrote:
> Most of the time. Alt Ctl + or - will work.

So, what do these two keys do exactly???

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Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:0deb54a0-c745-4e72-bff3-242c6d358aa7@googlegroups.com:

I bet the Apple still have a huge leg up on PCs when it comes to
displays. Yeah, they both have the same hardware these days, but
the way the software manages things is so much better on the Mac.
I remember using a Mac many years ago and everything from top to
bottom had a consistent look and feel. On the PC every program is
in it's own world with unique fonts, sizes and windows.

I had this machine fairly tuned up and could get most things done
without eye strain and yet still got to treat the display as if it
could show more than one window at a time. Then I fired up an HDL
tool and the fonts are all so small it was impossible to read them
without surgeon's magnifiers. So I finally gave in and went for
the Windows screen adjustment. Seems I already had it set to
125%. So I thought 150% might do well... adjust, reboot and the
screen looked like I had dropped the resolution to 1024 instead of
1920 pixels wide. Everything was so huge! Ok, so I backed that
off to 135% and it seems to be a bit better, the new app can be
read with only a bit of eye strain. But now I have to go into
every app and tweak details to get it to look right again.

On the Mac, if I could read one app, I could read them all! Too
bad so much engineering software won't run on the Mac.

So how does Linux handle things like font sizes? I'm thinking it
is really the wild west or it forces the user to manually muck
with all the settings on every program. At least I can get a lot
more engineering tools to run under Linux than on the Mac. I
really do need to try Linux sometime.
Click to expand...

<https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/accessories-and-monitors/P32u>

Way better than the cursory glance Apple gives it (displays). They
are more concerned with packaging.
 
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:b848a886-f779-41e1-bbc3-cac063c3f2b4@googlegroups.com:

On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 11:25:51 PM UTC-5,
edward...@gmail.com wrote:
Most of the time. Alt Ctl + or - will work.

So, what do these two keys do exactly???
Click to expand...

Your x windows config file (varies form distro to distro)has a list of
useable screen arrays for your machine (or it should). As you strike
those keys, the x window manager steps up or down into the next or
previous listing in that config file.
 
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 12:38:52 AM UTC-5, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:0deb54a0-c745-4e72-bff3-242c6d358aa7@googlegroups.com:

I bet the Apple still have a huge leg up on PCs when it comes to
displays. Yeah, they both have the same hardware these days, but
the way the software manages things is so much better on the Mac.
I remember using a Mac many years ago and everything from top to
bottom had a consistent look and feel. On the PC every program is
in it's own world with unique fonts, sizes and windows.

I had this machine fairly tuned up and could get most things done
without eye strain and yet still got to treat the display as if it
could show more than one window at a time. Then I fired up an HDL
tool and the fonts are all so small it was impossible to read them
without surgeon's magnifiers. So I finally gave in and went for
the Windows screen adjustment. Seems I already had it set to
125%. So I thought 150% might do well... adjust, reboot and the
screen looked like I had dropped the resolution to 1024 instead of
1920 pixels wide. Everything was so huge! Ok, so I backed that
off to 135% and it seems to be a bit better, the new app can be
read with only a bit of eye strain. But now I have to go into
every app and tweak details to get it to look right again.

On the Mac, if I could read one app, I could read them all! Too
bad so much engineering software won't run on the Mac.

So how does Linux handle things like font sizes? I'm thinking it
is really the wild west or it forces the user to manually muck
with all the settings on every program. At least I can get a lot
more engineering tools to run under Linux than on the Mac. I
really do need to try Linux sometime.


https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/accessories-and-monitors/P32u

Way better than the cursory glance Apple gives it (displays). They
are more concerned with packaging.
Click to expand...

I truly don't think you understood a thing I wrote.

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On 01/07/2020 10:07 PM, Rick C wrote:
https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/accessories-and-monitors/P32u

Way better than the cursory glance Apple gives it (displays). They
are more concerned with packaging.
I truly don't think you understood a thing I wrote.
Click to expand...

But look at the colors that thing makes! My LG could never show colors
like that. There's probably hummingbird ultraviolet over in the corner
and I can't even see it!
 
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:f2311198-54fd-4b8b-a40b-e556d3479128@googlegroups.com:

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 12:38:52 AM UTC-5,
DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:0deb54a0-c745-4e72-bff3-242c6d358aa7@googlegroups.com:

I bet the Apple still have a huge leg up on PCs when it comes
to displays. Yeah, they both have the same hardware these
days, but the way the software manages things is so much better
on the Mac. I remember using a Mac many years ago and
everything from top to bottom had a consistent look and feel.
On the PC every program is in it's own world with unique fonts,
sizes and windows.

I had this machine fairly tuned up and could get most things
done without eye strain and yet still got to treat the display
as if it could show more than one window at a time. Then I
fired up an HDL tool and the fonts are all so small it was
impossible to read them without surgeon's magnifiers. So I
finally gave in and went for the Windows screen adjustment.
Seems I already had it set to 125%. So I thought 150% might do
well... adjust, reboot and the screen looked like I had dropped
the resolution to 1024 instead of 1920 pixels wide. Everything
was so huge! Ok, so I backed that off to 135% and it seems to
be a bit better, the new app can be read with only a bit of eye
strain. But now I have to go into every app and tweak details
to get it to look right again.

On the Mac, if I could read one app, I could read them all!
Too bad so much engineering software won't run on the Mac.

So how does Linux handle things like font sizes? I'm thinking
it is really the wild west or it forces the user to manually
muck with all the settings on every program. At least I can
get a lot more engineering tools to run under Linux than on the
Mac. I really do need to try Linux sometime.


https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/accessories-and-monitors/P32u

Way better than the cursory glance Apple gives it (displays).
They
are more concerned with packaging.

I truly don't think you understood a thing I wrote.
Click to expand...

Sure I did.

I actually went over to my MAME emulator, which has all the mac and
apple computers emulated in it. I can bring up the command prompt
on any one of them.

You started out talking about a 4K display and your Windows
adjustments to accomodate it, while the post topic is otherwise.

So yeah, goddamn it... you are making me do it again... so YEAH,
YOU FUCKING CHUMP, I DO KNOW WHAT YOU WROTE ABOUT!!!

I truly wish you presumptuous fucking retards would stop making
such retarded reply posts.

You made not one comment about the display I mentioned.

You could not get any more retarded.
 
One side effect I noticed is that with the larger zoom under windows 10, some of the programs seems to display fuzzier text. Does anyone know how Windows adjusts the screen when the zoom is turned up? Does it instruct the apps to draw everything larger or does it just magnify what the apps draw to make it bigger on the screen after it has already been turned into pixels?

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Rick C <gnuarm.deletethisbit@gmail.com> wrote in
news:6233dea5-0940-4fba-a7c7-7f00353ccf83@googlegroups.com:

One side effect I noticed is that with the larger zoom under
windows 10, some of the programs seems to display fuzzier text.
Does anyone know how Windows adjusts the screen when the zoom is
turned up? Does it instruct the apps to draw everything larger or
does it just magnify what the apps draw to make it bigger on the
screen after it has already been turned into pixels?
Click to expand...

Do you have a 4K monitor and a 4K capable video adapter?

If so, all zooms of text and window draw lines should be crisp.

A zoom a jpeg will always have jaggies.

If you zoom your browser ( a different 'zoom engine'), you will see
fuzzie or jaggy sites if you zoom too high.

IF you do have a 4K display, however, you should have no problem
because they start at like 27" (or used to). So unless yu sit across
the room from your computer...

My Lenovo 4K laptop (17") is set to 225%.

Some apps had tool bar problems years ago, and some still do because
they have yet to be updated for hi res display arrays.

So my MAMEUI emulator front end has a row of tabs right under the
tool bar that is only a third as tall as it needs to be. I can
barely see the tops of the tabs, but each one displays the tab info
beneath just fine. So I have to guess history or PCB or cabinet or
marquee, etc. Getting hold of the author will likely yield a "yeah
I have known about it for a while". He never fixed a font problem
from before the 4K era either... oh well.

Skype was owned by MS when I got my first 4K display. It would not
display right, and they said it would if I upgraded to Windows 10.
On one machine I did. But the Windows 7 machine would be getting no
skype update that solved the display font issue. All that is past now
since most do use Win 10 online if they have any brains.
 
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote in
news:qvd7rp$6fi$1@gioia.aioe.org:

Do you have a 4K monitor and a 4K capable video adapter?

If so, all zooms of text and window draw lines should be crisp.

A zoom a jpeg will always have jaggies.

If you zoom your browser ( a different 'zoom engine'), you will
see
fuzzie or jaggy sites if you zoom too high.
Click to expand...

Also, if you previously had wallpapers that were a lowers res, they
will look bad at high res zoomed out (in?). That is why ALL the pics
I posted on the site I gave are high res images and make excellent
wallpapers (I 'scroll' through mine every ten seconds).
 
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