disincentive to conserve...

[John Larkin]

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/california-power-companies-roll-out-fixed-rate-bill-proposal/

Poor people could sell power to rich neighbors, or charge their cars.
Or set up a lot of grow lights. Keep their pools nice and warm all
winter.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 10:43:55 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/california-power-companies-roll-out-fixed-rate-bill-proposal/

Poor people could sell power to rich neighbors, or charge their cars.
Or set up a lot of grow lights. Keep their pools nice and warm all
winter.

That story must have been written by an idiot!

 

[Martin Rid]

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> Wrote in message:r
> https://ktla.com/news/local-news/california-power-companies-roll-out-fixed-rate-bill-proposal/Poor people could sell power to rich neighbors, or charge their cars.Or set up a lot of grow lights. Keep their pools nice and warm allwinter.

Doesn\'t make sense, what\'s the kwh per month? Has to be a limit.
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[bitrex]

On 4/16/2023 10:43 AM, John Larkin wrote:

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/california-power-companies-roll-out-fixed-rate-bill-proposal/

Poor people could sell power to rich neighbors, or charge their cars.
Or set up a lot of grow lights. Keep their pools nice and warm all
winter.

They\'re residential rates. Once your lil grow operation or car charging
business or crypto rig grows to an appreciable size and starts slurping
serious power you\'re also going to run into zoning problems, this is
frigging CA we\'re talking about.

Meanwhile, grow operations or car car charging business that end up
spending more money than they take in tends to be its own consumption
dis-incentivization.

The area in between where you\'re sucking just enough to max out your
residential-rated feed for years but your business isn\'t growing or
going bust seems like a serous edge case.

 

[bitrex]

On 4/16/2023 1:27 PM, bitrex wrote:

On 4/16/2023 10:43 AM, John Larkin wrote:


https://ktla.com/news/local-news/california-power-companies-roll-out-fixed-rate-bill-proposal/

Poor people could sell power to rich neighbors, or charge their cars.
Or set up a lot of grow lights. Keep their pools nice and warm all
winter.


They\'re residential rates. Once your lil grow operation or car charging
business or crypto rig grows to an appreciable size and starts slurping
serious power you\'re also going to run into zoning problems, this is
frigging CA we\'re talking about.

BTW IDK if it works the same in most jurisdictions in CA but if you want
to open a business account at most banks operating in MA as a\"DBA\" you
have to go to your local jurisdiction\'s town clerk to get the proper
documents issued, and they\'re going to want to have the zoning inspector
come and look at your situation before they grant it, regardless if it\'s
just a 6 by 8 home office, or even a walk-in closet. Been there, done that..

 

[boB]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 13:48:09 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/16/2023 1:27 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/16/2023 10:43 AM, John Larkin wrote:


https://ktla.com/news/local-news/california-power-companies-roll-out-fixed-rate-bill-proposal/

Poor people could sell power to rich neighbors, or charge their cars.
Or set up a lot of grow lights. Keep their pools nice and warm all
winter.


They\'re residential rates. Once your lil grow operation or car charging
business or crypto rig grows to an appreciable size and starts slurping
serious power you\'re also going to run into zoning problems, this is
frigging CA we\'re talking about.
BTW IDK if it works the same in most jurisdictions in CA but if you want
to open a business account at most banks operating in MA as a\"DBA\" you
have to go to your local jurisdiction\'s town clerk to get the proper
documents issued, and they\'re going to want to have the zoning inspector
come and look at your situation before they grant it, regardless if it\'s
just a 6 by 8 home office, or even a walk-in closet. Been there, done that..

Since the sun shines a lot there, one could go off-grid, totally. But,
the laws in California might not allow that, legally ?

Florida is kind of like that.

Looks like electric socialism.

boB

 

[bitrex]

On 4/16/2023 4:54 PM, boB wrote:

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 13:48:09 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/16/2023 1:27 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/16/2023 10:43 AM, John Larkin wrote:


https://ktla.com/news/local-news/california-power-companies-roll-out-fixed-rate-bill-proposal/

Poor people could sell power to rich neighbors, or charge their cars.
Or set up a lot of grow lights. Keep their pools nice and warm all
winter.


They\'re residential rates. Once your lil grow operation or car charging
business or crypto rig grows to an appreciable size and starts slurping
serious power you\'re also going to run into zoning problems, this is
frigging CA we\'re talking about.
BTW IDK if it works the same in most jurisdictions in CA but if you want
to open a business account at most banks operating in MA as a\"DBA\" you
have to go to your local jurisdiction\'s town clerk to get the proper
documents issued, and they\'re going to want to have the zoning inspector
come and look at your situation before they grant it, regardless if it\'s
just a 6 by 8 home office, or even a walk-in closet. Been there, done that..

Since the sun shines a lot there, one could go off-grid, totally. But,
the laws in California might not allow that, legally ?

Florida is kind of like that.

Looks like electric socialism.

boB

The kind of socialism where everyone ends up with a lower bill tends to
be pretty popular across a wide swath of American society, so long as
there isn\'t a \"D\"-word associated with the policy.

 

[boB]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 17:09:27 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/16/2023 4:54 PM, boB wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 13:48:09 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 4/16/2023 1:27 PM, bitrex wrote:
On 4/16/2023 10:43 AM, John Larkin wrote:


https://ktla.com/news/local-news/california-power-companies-roll-out-fixed-rate-bill-proposal/

Poor people could sell power to rich neighbors, or charge their cars.
Or set up a lot of grow lights. Keep their pools nice and warm all
winter.


They\'re residential rates. Once your lil grow operation or car charging
business or crypto rig grows to an appreciable size and starts slurping
serious power you\'re also going to run into zoning problems, this is
frigging CA we\'re talking about.
BTW IDK if it works the same in most jurisdictions in CA but if you want
to open a business account at most banks operating in MA as a\"DBA\" you
have to go to your local jurisdiction\'s town clerk to get the proper
documents issued, and they\'re going to want to have the zoning inspector
come and look at your situation before they grant it, regardless if it\'s
just a 6 by 8 home office, or even a walk-in closet. Been there, done that..

Since the sun shines a lot there, one could go off-grid, totally. But,
the laws in California might not allow that, legally ?

Florida is kind of like that.

Looks like electric socialism.

boB

The kind of socialism where everyone ends up with a lower bill tends to
be pretty popular across a wide swath of American society, so long as
there isn\'t a \"D\"-word associated with the policy.

Not saying it couldn\'t work actually. I don\'t think the D word even
needs to be used.

We all have a certain amount of necessary socialism but it\'s more like
a safety net I think some call it. Like, paying for road maintenance
for instance. Taxes pay for it which is how it should be. Not that
taxes by themselves are a simple matter.


boB

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 10:43:55 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/california-power-companies-roll-out-fixed-rate-bill-proposal/

Poor people could sell power to rich neighbors, or charge their cars.
Or set up a lot of grow lights. Keep their pools nice and warm all
winter.

As I suspected every single news source is regurgitating the same incomprehensible crap. The PG&E site spells it out in reality. They\'re going to end up lowering the kWh rate across the board regardless of income. This being enabled by the income based fixed charge to cover costs of operating the grid- iow all overhead excluding energy production/ purchase. Everyone pays the same rate for energy usage, there is no disincentive there.

\"The rate for each kilowatt hour of electricity for all residential customers would decrease by about one-third.\"

\"Under the proposal, on average and assuming the same level of electricity use, PG&E’s lowest income customers would receive a 21% bill reduction; other lower income customers would receive an 8% bill reduction; moderate-income customers would receive a bill reduction of 6%; and high-income customers would have a bill increase of 24%.\"

Something else the CPUC has in mind that\'s not mentioned is they\'re doing away with the requirement the utilities pay net meter customers full retail rate for their back fed energy. That may be a big deal for people who overextended themselves. If it ends up like everywhere else, the net meter people will get around 40% of retail for their energy.

https://www.pgecurrents.com/articles/3700-pg-e-submits-proposal-lower-electric-bills-low-income-customers-provide-bill-transparency-stability-advance-clean-energy-goals

 

[ke...@kjwdesigns.com]

On Sunday, 16 April 2023 at 17:31:31 UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
...

Something else the CPUC has in mind that\'s not mentioned is they\'re doing away with the requirement the utilities pay net meter customers full retail rate for their back fed energy. That may be a big deal for people who overextended themselves. If it ends up like everywhere else, the net meter people will get around 40% of retail for their energy.
....

The change in net metering, NEM 3.0, came into effect a few days ago.

Existing NEM 2.0 agreement holders are grandfathered in for up to 20 years providing there are no significant changes to their system.

kw