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John Larkin
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But now they do.
John
John
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Pooh Bear
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John Larkin wrote:
Graham
Unfortunate experience ?
Graham
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Rob Gaddi
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John Larkin wrote:
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Terry Given
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John Larkin wrote:
again. Cheap, with what sounds like good warranties. But having spent 5
hours on the phone convincing some malaysian that my hard drive was dead
(smoke came out of it) *before* I got any on-site technical support, I
now know their support aint what it purports to be. We bought 6 dell PCs
(2000), and within a year had similar problems with all of them. In the
end we gave up on Dells *free* tech support, and paid a local to do it
for us, as it was cheaper (our time aint free)
Cheers
Terry
PS what was the brand of good DCCTs you mentioned?
Alas, I have had much the same problem with Dell - will never use them
again. Cheap, with what sounds like good warranties. But having spent 5
hours on the phone convincing some malaysian that my hard drive was dead
(smoke came out of it) *before* I got any on-site technical support, I
now know their support aint what it purports to be. We bought 6 dell PCs
(2000), and within a year had similar problems with all of them. In the
end we gave up on Dells *free* tech support, and paid a local to do it
for us, as it was cheaper (our time aint free)
Cheers
Terry
PS what was the brand of good DCCTs you mentioned?
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Jim Thompson
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 13:08:10 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
(never have), I'd just walk in.
...Jim Thompson
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| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice
480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
I buy mine from PC Club, down on the corner. If I have a problem
(never have), I'd just walk in.
...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice
480)460-2350 | || E-mail Address at Website Fax
480)460-2142 | Brass Rat || http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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Roger Hamlett
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"Terry Given" <my_name@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:KpNie.1013$U4.138473@news.xtra.co.nz...
ago, for a short time, then moved it back following the complaints. They
have gone back again recently.
The quality of phone support has switched to 'appalling'. Even buying the
computers is hard with the new system, and whereas in the past the larger
company contacts had UK numbers, these are now routed to the same phone
system. :-(
They have moved down about ten places in my rating system, and are heading
downward fast...
Best Wishes
news:KpNie.1013$U4.138473@news.xtra.co.nz...
again to using the phone 'farm' in India. They did this about three years
ago, for a short time, then moved it back following the complaints. They
have gone back again recently.
The quality of phone support has switched to 'appalling'. Even buying the
computers is hard with the new system, and whereas in the past the larger
company contacts had UK numbers, these are now routed to the same phone
system. :-(
They have moved down about ten places in my rating system, and are heading
downward fast...
Best Wishes
J
John Larkin
Guest
On Thu, 19 May 2005 08:17:43 +1200, Terry Given <my_name@ieee.org>
wrote:
Danfysik. They are parts-per-million accurate. The low-end units, the
head with electronics but no power supply or burden resistor, are
something like $500. The US rep is GMW.
Julian Bergoz makes some extreme stuff.
LEM makes some hall+feedback sensors, pretty good but not as accurate.
I designed a DCCT once, for SLAC. They didn't buy any.
John
wrote:
Danfysik. They are parts-per-million accurate. The low-end units, the
head with electronics but no power supply or burden resistor, are
something like $500. The US rep is GMW.
Julian Bergoz makes some extreme stuff.
LEM makes some hall+feedback sensors, pretty good but not as accurate.
I designed a DCCT once, for SLAC. They didn't buy any.
John
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John Larkin
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 15:17:04 -0500, Rob Gaddi
<rgaddi@bcm.YUMMYSPAMtmc.edu> wrote:
strip-search you on the way out to verify all your stuff against the
receipt. And they repackage returns and sell them as new. I bought an
inkjet printer and when I opened the box, the cartrige was installed
and there was ink everywhere. It had obviously been repacked.
John
<rgaddi@bcm.YUMMYSPAMtmc.edu> wrote:
I've had bad experiences with the Fry's in Palo Alto. They practically
strip-search you on the way out to verify all your stuff against the
receipt. And they repackage returns and sell them as new. I bought an
inkjet printer and when I opened the box, the cartrige was installed
and there was ink everywhere. It had obviously been repacked.
John
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Terry Given
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John Larkin wrote:
Thanks John.
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Luhan Monat
Guest
John Larkin wrote:
there. They sold me a nice 2 gig machine for $550. All components
garanteed 'generic' as possible.
I always have looked for the smallish computer places since I bought my
first IMSAI.
--
Luhan Monat: luhanis(at)yahoo(dot)com
http://members.cox.net/berniekm
"Any sufficiently advanced magick is
indistinguishable from technology."
Local place in Mesa Arizona called SoftQue. Bunch of tech guys work
there. They sold me a nice 2 gig machine for $550. All components
garanteed 'generic' as possible.
I always have looked for the smallish computer places since I bought my
first IMSAI.
--
Luhan Monat: luhanis(at)yahoo(dot)com
http://members.cox.net/berniekm
"Any sufficiently advanced magick is
indistinguishable from technology."
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Spehro Pefhany
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 13:08:10 -0700, the renowned John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
what to use for each part (or ask their advice if I haven't researched
it) and get them to put it together and set it up (and transfer data
if I want). More expensive (and takes more time to buy), but I know
exactly what's in there, and it's all interchangable industry-standard
brand-name stuff (even the case, and especially the power supply). All
the parts come from a small number of wholesalers, and what they don't
have in stock they get the next day, so it's not too bad once I've
figured out what I need.
The mass-produced stuff is fine for someone *else* to use for word
processing or whatever, but I really don't want to have to use it
myself. The stores take credit cards, and the small shops all want
cash or debit (or a big surcharger), but that's a minor inconvenience.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
I go to one of the little computer shops I trust, tell them exactly
what to use for each part (or ask their advice if I haven't researched
it) and get them to put it together and set it up (and transfer data
if I want). More expensive (and takes more time to buy), but I know
exactly what's in there, and it's all interchangable industry-standard
brand-name stuff (even the case, and especially the power supply). All
the parts come from a small number of wholesalers, and what they don't
have in stock they get the next day, so it's not too bad once I've
figured out what I need.
The mass-produced stuff is fine for someone *else* to use for word
processing or whatever, but I really don't want to have to use it
myself. The stores take credit cards, and the small shops all want
cash or debit (or a big surcharger), but that's a minor inconvenience.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
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Bob Stephens
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 14:19:28 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
<snark>
and place them back on the shelf along with a 'reconditioned to original
factory spec's by Fry's technicians' sticker.
Bob
<snark>
Same deal here in L.A. The thieving bastards just shrink wrap returns as is
and place them back on the shelf along with a 'reconditioned to original
factory spec's by Fry's technicians' sticker.
Bob
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Bob Monsen
Guest
John Larkin wrote:
printers too.
Much better to buy the components online and build the system yourself.
Or, better yet, hire a college kid to come in and do it for you. It's
trivial, takes about 2 hours to put one together, and another couple of
hours to install XP and the drivers.
---
Regards,
Bob Monsen
Yes, Fry's sucks for some things. I've had issues with their 'new'
printers too.
Much better to buy the components online and build the system yourself.
Or, better yet, hire a college kid to come in and do it for you. It's
trivial, takes about 2 hours to put one together, and another couple of
hours to install XP and the drivers.
---
Regards,
Bob Monsen
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Jim Thompson
Guest
On Wed, 18 May 2005 15:31:13 -0700, Bob Monsen <rcsurname@comcast.net>
wrote:
lawns ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
wrote:
Fry's employs those people who don't qualify to flip burgers or mow
lawns ;-)
...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice
480)460-2350 | || E-mail Address at Website Fax
480)460-2142 | Brass Rat || http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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Mike Engelhardt
Guest
John,
a parts between Central Computer on
Stevens Creek in Santa Clara and Fry's.
(This within driving distance from
the OP's Palo Alto, for non South
San Francisco Bay readers).
For new retail-boxed peripherals, I
do the web. www.pricewatch.com at
least used to be pretty good, but
wwww.pricegrabber.com has been getting
my nod lately for a price search
engine.
--Mike
I like to make my own. Usually a mix
a parts between Central Computer on
Stevens Creek in Santa Clara and Fry's.
(This within driving distance from
the OP's Palo Alto, for non South
San Francisco Bay readers).
For new retail-boxed peripherals, I
do the web. www.pricewatch.com at
least used to be pretty good, but
wwww.pricegrabber.com has been getting
my nod lately for a price search
engine.
--Mike
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keith
Guest
On Wed, 18 May 2005 13:08:10 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
anything out there on the market now.
The fact is that there is no money in PeeCees these days, so what you buy
is crap. You can build decent stuff though.
--
Keith
My KeithKits have always been superb. The 24/7 on-site support beats
anything out there on the market now.
The fact is that there is no money in PeeCees these days, so what you buy
is crap. You can build decent stuff though.
--
Keith
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keith
Guest
On Wed, 18 May 2005 15:31:13 -0700, Bob Monsen wrote:
great service.
isn't even worth even a few bananas after work (can't contract, so it's
either the computer or the toob).
--
Keith
NewEgg.com is my favorite place to buy. Good prices, good selection, and
great service.
Keep the kid on retainer for a few bananas. I do my own, since my time
isn't even worth even a few bananas after work (can't contract, so it's
either the computer or the toob).
--
Keith
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Mac
Guest
On Wed, 18 May 2005 10:19:53 -0700, John Larkin wrote:
website.
I configure the system on-line and get it shipped to me without ever
talking to a person.
When I have built my own systems or ordered from smaller places, I always
seemed to end up with a really noisy system. The Dells I've received have
always been fairly quiet. I hate noisy fans and hard-drives.
My two most recent purchases were one each Dell Dimension 2400 and 3000
systems. No problems yet, and they are quiet enough for me out of the box.
Obviously, your mileage does vary. ;-)
--Mac
I still like Dell. I usually buy from the "small business" part of their
website.
I configure the system on-line and get it shipped to me without ever
talking to a person.
When I have built my own systems or ordered from smaller places, I always
seemed to end up with a really noisy system. The Dells I've received have
always been fairly quiet. I hate noisy fans and hard-drives.
My two most recent purchases were one each Dell Dimension 2400 and 3000
systems. No problems yet, and they are quiet enough for me out of the box.
Obviously, your mileage does vary. ;-)
--Mac
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Pooh Bear
Guest
John Larkin wrote:
ago. It was *obvious* the psu had failed but support insisted on going
through some 'diagnostics' for 20 mins and decided it must be the mobo !
Guy arrived, realised it was the mobo but had to fit it anyway since he
was a contract engineer and had to do what he's told. He couldn't bring
a
PSU since they only got issued what 'support' tell them they need.
Eventually the PSU was replaced ( it took 5 days ). It cost us about
Ł150
to get the 24 hr onsite warranty upgrade and that was the result !
Oh *and* we had to reactive Windoze on account of the mobo replacement !
Duh.
I made my own last one. Takes ages to install everything ( esp building
the raid array ) but you know what's there !
Graham
Is that the new BTX case with a fan at the front ?
Yeah - the support is shit. We had a 2 yr old Dell PSU fail about a yr
ago. It was *obvious* the psu had failed but support insisted on going
through some 'diagnostics' for 20 mins and decided it must be the mobo !
Guy arrived, realised it was the mobo but had to fit it anyway since he
was a contract engineer and had to do what he's told. He couldn't bring
a
PSU since they only got issued what 'support' tell them they need.
Eventually the PSU was replaced ( it took 5 days ). It cost us about
Ł150
to get the 24 hr onsite warranty upgrade and that was the result !
Oh *and* we had to reactive Windoze on account of the mobo replacement !
Duh.
It's ppl in India reading scripts.
Pot luck I think.
I made my own last one. Takes ages to install everything ( esp building
the raid array ) but you know what's there !
Graham
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Pooh Bear
Guest
Bob Stephens wrote:
misrepresentation ) but we have local trading standards ppl who could go over
there and tell them to cut it out pronto ( no solicitors req'd ). They'd be
taken to court and fined if they persisted too.
Graham
In the UK that would not only be illegal ( Sale of Goods Act and
misrepresentation ) but we have local trading standards ppl who could go over
there and tell them to cut it out pronto ( no solicitors req'd ). They'd be
taken to court and fined if they persisted too.
Graham