Cutthroat Bids on Ebay

[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun]

I was watching the bids this afternoon for a HP triple output power
supply on ebay. The price shot thru the roof all in the space of a
few tens of seconds! The bidders must've lost all sense of
sensibility.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws3/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2580245447
(You may have to be logged on to see this bid history.)

I couldn't find the 6236B in the two old HP catalogs I have, but in
the '70s the 6205 two output PS cost less than $300. I'd imagine a
triple output couldn't cost more than $400.


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[Ed Price]

"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun, Dark Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote in
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I was watching the bids this afternoon for a HP triple output power
supply on ebay. The price shot thru the roof all in the space of a
few tens of seconds! The bidders must've lost all sense of
sensibility.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws3/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2580245447
(You may have to be logged on to see this bid history.)

I couldn't find the 6236B in the two old HP catalogs I have, but in
the '70s the 6205 two output PS cost less than $300. I'd imagine a
triple output couldn't cost more than $400.

The final amount may be more than I'd ever pay for one, but the process
looked like typical sniping. Go look at http://www.isnipeit.com for an
explanation.

Ed

 

[CWatters]

"Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net> wrote in message
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The final amount may be more than I'd ever pay for one, but the process
looked like typical sniping. Go look at http://www.isnipeit.com for an
explanation.

Could you explain why this sort of S/W is needed? Ebay will automatically
bid upto your limit if you get outbid so I don't see the point of using a
third party program to do exactly the same thing for you.

 

[Boris Mohar]

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:25:33 -0800, "Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net> wrote:

The final amount may be more than I'd ever pay for one, but the process
looked like typical sniping. Go look at http://www.isnipeit.com for an
explanation.

Ed

What if two bidders have the same software?

Regards,

Boris Mohar

Got Knock? - see:
Viatrack Printed Circuit Designs http://www3.sympatico.ca/borism/
Aurora, Ontario

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Boris Mohar wrote:

What if two bidders have the same software?

Regards,

Boris Mohar

Then the first one who sets the matching limt wins.
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[Clif Holland]

In the 89 catalog they are listed at $715. I wouldn't sell either of mine
for $232.50.

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"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun, Dark Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote in
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I was watching the bids this afternoon for a HP triple output power
supply on ebay. The price shot thru the roof all in the space of a
few tens of seconds! The bidders must've lost all sense of
sensibility.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws3/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2580245447
(You may have to be logged on to see this bid history.)

I couldn't find the 6236B in the two old HP catalogs I have, but in
the '70s the 6205 two output PS cost less than $300. I'd imagine a
triple output couldn't cost more than $400.


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[CWatters]

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Then the first one who sets the matching limt wins.

Unless someone has already made a higher bid using the normal method.

I don't see how this S/W helps you win at a lower price? Therefore it's
useless isn't it?

 

[Ian Stirling]

CWatters <colin.watters@pandorabox.be> wrote:

"Ed Price" <edprice@cox.net> wrote in message
news:CrzDb.7748$7D3.4592@fed1read02...

The final amount may be more than I'd ever pay for one, but the process
looked like typical sniping. Go look at http://www.isnipeit.com for an
explanation.

Could you explain why this sort of S/W is needed? Ebay will automatically
bid upto your limit if you get outbid so I don't see the point of using a
third party program to do exactly the same thing for you.

If everyone looked rationally at an item the first time they saw it,
bid their maximum price, and then left it alone, you'd be right.
However, ....

People often get caught up in the process think "Hmm, I said $10 was my limit,
but it's gone to $11, $12 isn't that much more than $10" ...

If you bid in the last few seconds, this stops people rethinking.

 

[mike]

CWatters wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Then the first one who sets the matching limt wins.


Unless someone has already made a higher bid using the normal method.

I don't see how this S/W helps you win at a lower price? Therefore it's
useless isn't it?

People who use it successfully would argue.
If your maximum bid is in there and I have time to mess with you, I can
just bid up a buck at a time until I exceed your max. The "it's only
another buck" mentality will cause me to bid higher than I might have
otherwise. And you have time to come back and outbid me by a buck.

If I use sniping sw, I can set a high max that guarantees I get it in
the last few seconds and you have no time to respond.
And the number will likely be lower than if we kept outbidding each
other. And I don't have to get up at 4AM to bid at the close.

The bad news is that when two snipers want it bad, things can get out of
hand. But they did bid what they were willing to pay.

My solution...avoid EBAY.
mike

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TEK Sampling Sweep Plugin and RM564
Tek 2465 $800, ham radio, 30pS pulser
Tektronix Concept Books, spot welding head...
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[Michael A. Terrell]

mike wrote:

People who use it successfully would argue.
If your maximum bid is in there and I have time to mess with you, I can
just bid up a buck at a time until I exceed your max. The "it's only
another buck" mentality will cause me to bid higher than I might have
otherwise. And you have time to come back and outbid me by a buck.

If I use sniping sw, I can set a high max that guarantees I get it in
the last few seconds and you have no time to respond.
And the number will likely be lower than if we kept outbidding each
other. And I don't have to get up at 4AM to bid at the close.

The bad news is that when two snipers want it bad, things can get out of
hand. But they did bid what they were willing to pay.

My solution...avoid EBAY.
mike

Unless I personally know the condition of the equipment, I only bid
scrap value. Usually, my opening bid is my only bid.

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[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun]

In article <CrzDb.7748$7D3.4592@fed1read02>, edprice@cox.net
mentioned...

"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun, Dark Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:MPG.1a48288a887d2ebb989a23@news.dslextreme.com...

I was watching the bids this afternoon for a HP triple output power
supply on ebay. The price shot thru the roof all in the space of a
few tens of seconds! The bidders must've lost all sense of
sensibility.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws3/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2580245447
(You may have to be logged on to see this bid history.)

I couldn't find the 6236B in the two old HP catalogs I have, but in
the '70s the 6205 two output PS cost less than $300. I'd imagine a
triple output couldn't cost more than $400.


The final amount may be more than I'd ever pay for one, but the process
looked like typical sniping. Go look at http://www.isnipeit.com for an
explanation.

Didja notice that your money buys only a year of their product? I
won't buy it if it's good for only a year. That's as lucrative as the
tax prep software which is auto-obsoleted every year!

Ed

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Don't be ripped off by the big book dealers. Go to the URL
that will give you a choice and save you money(up to half).
http://www.everybookstore.com You'll be glad you did!
Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
changed it: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
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[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun]

In article <3FDF64AB.7070701@juno.com>, spamme0@juno.com mentioned...

CWatters wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3FDF08A8.C9587491@earthlink.net...

Then the first one who sets the matching limt wins.


Unless someone has already made a higher bid using the normal method.

I don't see how this S/W helps you win at a lower price? Therefore it's
useless isn't it?



People who use it successfully would argue.
If your maximum bid is in there and I have time to mess with you, I can
just bid up a buck at a time until I exceed your max. The "it's only
another buck" mentality will cause me to bid higher than I might have
otherwise. And you have time to come back and outbid me by a buck.

If I use sniping sw, I can set a high max that guarantees I get it in
the last few seconds and you have no time to respond.
And the number will likely be lower than if we kept outbidding each
other. And I don't have to get up at 4AM to bid at the close.

The bad news is that when two snipers want it bad, things can get out of
hand. But they did bid what they were willing to pay.

My solution...avoid EBAY.
mike

Amen. Ya got that right. It can be another form of gambling.

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Don't be ripped off by the big book dealers. Go to the URL
that will give you a choice and save you money(up to half).
http://www.everybookstore.com You'll be glad you did!
Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
changed it: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
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[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun]

In article <vtuap8f7vcgncd@corp.supernews.com>, avvidclif@ev1.net
mentioned...

In the 89 catalog they are listed at $715. I wouldn't sell either of mine
for $232.50.

I take it you mean you would want more than that for one of them.

The dual outputs are only a half amp each, and you can buy a brand new
dual PS with more current and more accurate digital meters for well
under that price. I'd be the first to say that the HP PSes are
excellent PSes, well made and perform well. But you have to remember
that the PS the bidder got was likely 15 to 20 years old; but more
importantly the same HP PS could probably be bought at another auction
for much less than the $236 he paid for it.


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Don't be ripped off by the big book dealers. Go to the URL
that will give you a choice and save you money(up to half).
http://www.everybookstore.com You'll be glad you did!
Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
changed it: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
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[Ed Price]

"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun, Dark Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote in
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In article <CrzDb.7748$7D3.4592@fed1read02>, edprice@cox.net
mentioned...

"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun, Dark Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote
in
message news:MPG.1a48288a887d2ebb989a23@news.dslextreme.com...

I was watching the bids this afternoon for a HP triple output power
supply on ebay. The price shot thru the roof all in the space of a
few tens of seconds! The bidders must've lost all sense of
sensibility.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws3/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2580245447
(You may have to be logged on to see this bid history.)

I couldn't find the 6236B in the two old HP catalogs I have, but in
the '70s the 6205 two output PS cost less than $300. I'd imagine a
triple output couldn't cost more than $400.


The final amount may be more than I'd ever pay for one, but the process
looked like typical sniping. Go look at http://www.isnipeit.com for an
explanation.

Didja notice that your money buys only a year of their product? I
won't buy it if it's good for only a year. That's as lucrative as the
tax prep software which is auto-obsoleted every year!

Ed

Another reason for using a sniping program is to allow an auction to proceed
to near its completion without attracting undue attention, and a subsequent
bidding by people who are influenced by bid action. It's the old
psychological trick of assuming that, if nobody has placed a bid on some
item, there must be something wrong with it, and so you better not bid on it
yourself.

Sniping doesn't work in a live auction, since the closure will be extended
by the auctioneer to allow for counterbids. But on eBay, with its absolute
closure time, sniping can sometimes give you an edge. You can argue about
the ethics of sniping, but examine how many times a winning bid is placed
just seconds before a closure.

I suggested the Isnipeit site as a place to learn about sniping software
simply because I have a copy of Isnipeit. (I bought my copy quite a while
ago, when the cost was lower, and there was no time limit. So far, I have
been able to download all the updates without any additional cost. OTOH, I
almost never use the sniping software anymore.)

Ed

 

[labx.com]

An interesting exchange of comments.

Has anyone tried the LabX auctions? There is an auction overtime
feature that continually extends if there is active bidding. It
basically allows buyers to interact back and forth until the final bid
is drawn out. There is no last second sniping, and the bid is raised
incrementally to avoid wasting too much time going back and forth by a
dollar (unless you are bidding on $50 items).
Also, all auctions close during the day, so you don't have to worry
about staying up until 4 AM.

It really keeps confusion to a minimum and people don't feel thwarted
by a last second program.

Also, no final value fees on any auction ads. It's worth a look.

www.labx.com


mike <spamme0@juno.com> wrote in message news:<3FDF64AB.7070701@juno.com>...

CWatters wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3FDF08A8.C9587491@earthlink.net...

Then the first one who sets the matching limt wins.


Unless someone has already made a higher bid using the normal method.

I don't see how this S/W helps you win at a lower price? Therefore it's
useless isn't it?



People who use it successfully would argue.
If your maximum bid is in there and I have time to mess with you, I can
just bid up a buck at a time until I exceed your max. The "it's only
another buck" mentality will cause me to bid higher than I might have
otherwise. And you have time to come back and outbid me by a buck.

If I use sniping sw, I can set a high max that guarantees I get it in
the last few seconds and you have no time to respond.
And the number will likely be lower than if we kept outbidding each
other. And I don't have to get up at 4AM to bid at the close.

The bad news is that when two snipers want it bad, things can get out of
hand. But they did bid what they were willing to pay.

My solution...avoid EBAY.
mike

--
Return address is VALID.
Bunch of stuff For Sale and Wanted at the link below.
Toshiba & Compaq LiIon Batteries, Test Equipment
Honda CB-125S $800 in PDX
TEK Sampling Sweep Plugin and RM564
Tek 2465 $800, ham radio, 30pS pulser
Tektronix Concept Books, spot welding head...
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/4710/

 

[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun]

In article <TLeEb.8335$7D3.1783@fed1read02>, edprice@cox.net
mentioned...

"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun, Dark Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote in
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In article <CrzDb.7748$7D3.4592@fed1read02>, edprice@cox.net
mentioned...

"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun, Dark Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote
in
message news:MPG.1a48288a887d2ebb989a23@news.dslextreme.com...

I was watching the bids this afternoon for a HP triple output power
supply on ebay. The price shot thru the roof all in the space of a
few tens of seconds! The bidders must've lost all sense of
sensibility.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws3/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=2580245447
(You may have to be logged on to see this bid history.)

I couldn't find the 6236B in the two old HP catalogs I have, but in
the '70s the 6205 two output PS cost less than $300. I'd imagine a
triple output couldn't cost more than $400.


The final amount may be more than I'd ever pay for one, but the process
looked like typical sniping. Go look at http://www.isnipeit.com for an
explanation.

Didja notice that your money buys only a year of their product? I
won't buy it if it's good for only a year. That's as lucrative as the
tax prep software which is auto-obsoleted every year!

Ed


Another reason for using a sniping program is to allow an auction to proceed
to near its completion without attracting undue attention, and a subsequent
bidding by people who are influenced by bid action. It's the old
psychological trick of assuming that, if nobody has placed a bid on some
item, there must be something wrong with it, and so you better not bid on it
yourself.

Sniping doesn't work in a live auction, since the closure will be extended
by the auctioneer to allow for counterbids. But on eBay, with its absolute
closure time, sniping can sometimes give you an edge. You can argue about
the ethics of sniping, but examine how many times a winning bid is placed
just seconds before a closure.

I suggested the Isnipeit site as a place to learn about sniping software
simply because I have a copy of Isnipeit. (I bought my copy quite a while
ago, when the cost was lower, and there was no time limit. So far, I have
been able to download all the updates without any additional cost. OTOH, I
almost never use the sniping software anymore.)

This sniping has led me to conclude that you should always:

Do your homework and determine what's a fair price for the item.
Never wait to the last minute to bid.

Never overbid; always approach the auction with the attitude that
there will always be another of the same item up for auction later.
Always be a Vulcan and never let your emotions interfere with your
common sense.

Ignore the last few minutes of the auction. It's the best way to
avoid becoming a casualty of overbidding.

Ed

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Don't be ripped off by the big book dealers. Go to the URL
that will give you a choice and save you money(up to half).
http://www.everybookstore.com You'll be glad you did!
Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
changed it: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
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[Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun]

In article <9d0ab7eb.0312180819.4bcdf0e8@posting.google.com>,
labxauction@yahoo.com mentioned...

An interesting exchange of comments.

Has anyone tried the LabX auctions? There is an auction overtime
feature that continually extends if there is active bidding. It
basically allows buyers to interact back and forth until the final bid
is drawn out. There is no last second sniping, and the bid is raised
incrementally to avoid wasting too much time going back and forth by a
dollar (unless you are bidding on $50 items).
Also, all auctions close during the day, so you don't have to worry
about staying up until 4 AM.

You can't do that with an international auction. Somewhere in the
world, your day is my night. It would work okay if the autcion is
just local.

It really keeps confusion to a minimum and people don't feel thwarted
by a last second program.

Also, no final value fees on any auction ads. It's worth a look.

www.labx.com

Problem is that Ebay has such a large volume and huge variety of items
that it's the only game in town for most sellers and buyers.

[snip]

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Don't be ripped off by the big book dealers. Go to the URL
that will give you a choice and save you money(up to half).
http://www.everybookstore.com You'll be glad you did!
Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
changed it: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
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