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[whit3rd]

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 7:29:22 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

I wonder if the Netherlands will peak at 10x or more times their April
case peak. They are at 6x now and maybe on the linear part of the
slope, which is usually about halfway to the top.

Why would you care about Netherlands in particular? What is
important about \'10x\' as a threshold?
There is no evidence for, nor importance ascribed to, \'linear part of the slope\',
which apparently intends to mean inflection point of a sigmoid.

> Really, the waveform keeps recurring, all over the world.

That\'s about human machinery implementing a negative feedback, with
some delays, and progressive improvements (or regressive overloads
and breakdowns) in health care. It says more about policies and
institutional infrastructure than about the disease per se.

That \'waveform\' is from detecting a hot spot and diverting resources
to it. There\'s a variety of such a \'waveform\' specific to each
population and infrastructure (sometimes national, sometimes local).

Human response is quirky, and those \'bumps\' tell us about quirks, not disease.

 

[server]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 21:02:49 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 7:29:22 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

I wonder if the Netherlands will peak at 10x or more times their April
case peak. They are at 6x now and maybe on the linear part of the
slope, which is usually about halfway to the top.

Why would you care about Netherlands in particular? What is
important about \'10x\' as a threshold?
There is no evidence for, nor importance ascribed to, \'linear part of the slope\',
which apparently intends to mean inflection point of a sigmoid.

Really, the waveform keeps recurring, all over the world.

That\'s about human machinery implementing a negative feedback, with
some delays, and progressive improvements (or regressive overloads
and breakdowns) in health care. It says more about policies and
institutional infrastructure than about the disease per se.

That \'waveform\' is from detecting a hot spot and diverting resources
to it. There\'s a variety of such a \'waveform\' specific to each
population and infrastructure (sometimes national, sometimes local).

Human response is quirky, and those \'bumps\' tell us about quirks, not disease.

Do you even own an oscilloscope? Some people who post here don\'t.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 3:07:39 PM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 21:02:49 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 7:29:22 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

I wonder if the Netherlands will peak at 10x or more times their April
case peak. They are at 6x now and maybe on the linear part of the
slope, which is usually about halfway to the top.

Why would you care about Netherlands in particular? What is
important about \'10x\' as a threshold?
There is no evidence for, nor importance ascribed to, \'linear part of the slope\',
which apparently intends to mean inflection point of a sigmoid.

Really, the waveform keeps recurring, all over the world.

That\'s about human machinery implementing a negative feedback, with
some delays, and progressive improvements (or regressive overloads
and breakdowns) in health care. It says more about policies and
institutional infrastructure than about the disease per se.

That \'waveform\' is from detecting a hot spot and diverting resources
to it. There\'s a variety of such a \'waveform\' specific to each
population and infrastructure (sometimes national, sometimes local).

Human response is quirky, and those \'bumps\' tell us about quirks, not disease.

Do you even own an oscilloscope? Some people who post here don\'t.

Mine plugs into my computer, and I haven\'t used it for years. This doesn\'t have much bearing on anybody\'s capacity to interpret plotted-out time series data.

The fact that you own lots of oscilloscopes and use them frequently doesn\'t stop you seeing growth and decay curves as \"Gaussian\" when they\'ve clearly got nothing to do with a single uniform process.

You can see the curve, but you\'ve clearly got absolutely no insight into the processes that create them.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[whit3rd]

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 9:07:39 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 21:02:49 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 7:29:22 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Really, the waveform keeps recurring, all over the world.

That\'s about human machinery implementing a negative feedback, with
some delays, and progressive improvements (or regressive overloads
and breakdowns) in health care. It says more about policies and
institutional infrastructure than about the disease per se.

That \'waveform\' is from detecting a hot spot and diverting resources
to it. There\'s a variety of such a \'waveform\' specific to each
population and infrastructure (sometimes national, sometimes local).

Human response is quirky, and those \'bumps\' tell us about quirks, not disease.

Do you even own an oscilloscope? Some people who post here don\'t.

Several; I kinda like the old Tek 301A, but it\'s hard keeping it, or the
Telequipment student \'scopes, working. Vacuum tubes turn to
mush.
Every \'peak\' in a pandemic is a transient, you can\'t overlap \'em or
trigger on them meaningfully. The last peak doesn\'t predict the next.

 

[Ricketty C]

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 12:16:14 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 3:07:39 PM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 21:02:49 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 7:29:22 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

I wonder if the Netherlands will peak at 10x or more times their April
case peak. They are at 6x now and maybe on the linear part of the
slope, which is usually about halfway to the top.

Why would you care about Netherlands in particular? What is
important about \'10x\' as a threshold?
There is no evidence for, nor importance ascribed to, \'linear part of the slope\',
which apparently intends to mean inflection point of a sigmoid.

Really, the waveform keeps recurring, all over the world.

That\'s about human machinery implementing a negative feedback, with
some delays, and progressive improvements (or regressive overloads
and breakdowns) in health care. It says more about policies and
institutional infrastructure than about the disease per se.

That \'waveform\' is from detecting a hot spot and diverting resources
to it. There\'s a variety of such a \'waveform\' specific to each
population and infrastructure (sometimes national, sometimes local).

Human response is quirky, and those \'bumps\' tell us about quirks, not disease.

Do you even own an oscilloscope? Some people who post here don\'t.

Mine plugs into my computer, and I haven\'t used it for years. This doesn\'t have much bearing on anybody\'s capacity to interpret plotted-out time series data.

Which one do you have? I\'m at a point where I\'d like to have a good attached scope, but they seem to be less cost effective than self contained scopes. There\'s also a lot of junky stuff available. Seems like the Chinese stuff has totally crappy software.

I have a Hantek here somewhere. It was a low end unit I bought to check it out before investing in a high end unit. When I found how crappy it was (never got the software to work right) I contacted them about returning it and it seems the original shipment was reported lost so I got to keep it and my money back. I don\'t think I\'ve even tried to use it since then. I\'ve heard there\'s an open source effort in making better software for these units. Maybe I should look at that first. I don\'t think I\'m going to need much bandwidth for now.

--

Rick C.

-++ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[Bill Sloman]

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 3:46:45 PM UTC+11, Ricketty C wrote:

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 12:16:14 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 3:07:39 PM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 21:02:49 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 7:29:22 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

I wonder if the Netherlands will peak at 10x or more times their April
case peak. They are at 6x now and maybe on the linear part of the
slope, which is usually about halfway to the top.

Why would you care about Netherlands in particular? What is
important about \'10x\' as a threshold?
There is no evidence for, nor importance ascribed to, \'linear part of the slope\',
which apparently intends to mean inflection point of a sigmoid.

Really, the waveform keeps recurring, all over the world.

That\'s about human machinery implementing a negative feedback, with
some delays, and progressive improvements (or regressive overloads
and breakdowns) in health care. It says more about policies and
institutional infrastructure than about the disease per se.

That \'waveform\' is from detecting a hot spot and diverting resources
to it. There\'s a variety of such a \'waveform\' specific to each
population and infrastructure (sometimes national, sometimes local).

Human response is quirky, and those \'bumps\' tell us about quirks, not disease.

Do you even own an oscilloscope? Some people who post here don\'t.

Mine plugs into my computer, and I haven\'t used it for years. This doesn\'t have much bearing on anybody\'s capacity to interpret plotted-out time series data.
Which one do you have? I\'m at a point where I\'d like to have a good attached scope, but they seem to be less cost effective than self contained scopes. There\'s also a lot of junky stuff available. Seems like the Chinese stuff has totally crappy software.

I have a Hantek here somewhere. It was a low end unit I bought to check it out before investing in a high end unit. When I found how crappy it was (never got the software to work right) I contacted them about returning it and it seems the original shipment was reported lost so I got to keep it and my money back. I don\'t think I\'ve even tried to use it since then. I\'ve heard there\'s an open source effort in making better software for these units.. Maybe I should look at that first. I don\'t think I\'m going to need much bandwidth for now.

What I\'ve got is a Picoscope 2203

https://www.picotech.com/download/datasheets/picoscope-2203-2204-2205-datasheet.pdf

It\'s old, and no longer in production. The interface is USB-2, not USB-3 and it\'s only 25MHz, which was fast enough for what I wanted it for.

I bought it because I\'d bought an even slower Picoscope part - which however did digitise to 12-bits - in my last paid job. We\'d needed to get experimental data into our computers, and that turned out to be the cheapest way of doing it. The device, and the software than came with it, had worked fine then, and the 2203 was just as easy to set up and use.

Farnell/element 14/ Newark still stocks Picoscope 2000 parts

https://www.newark.com/search?ost=Picoscope&searchref=searchlookahead&product-range=picoscope-2000-series

which aren\'t all that expensive. They also stock the the 3000, 4000, 5000 and 6000 series which are more powerful and more expensive.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[Ricketty C]

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:02:37 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 3:46:45 PM UTC+11, Ricketty C wrote:
On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 12:16:14 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 3:07:39 PM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 21:02:49 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 7:29:22 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

I wonder if the Netherlands will peak at 10x or more times their April
case peak. They are at 6x now and maybe on the linear part of the
slope, which is usually about halfway to the top.

Why would you care about Netherlands in particular? What is
important about \'10x\' as a threshold?
There is no evidence for, nor importance ascribed to, \'linear part of the slope\',
which apparently intends to mean inflection point of a sigmoid.

Really, the waveform keeps recurring, all over the world.

That\'s about human machinery implementing a negative feedback, with
some delays, and progressive improvements (or regressive overloads
and breakdowns) in health care. It says more about policies and
institutional infrastructure than about the disease per se.

That \'waveform\' is from detecting a hot spot and diverting resources
to it. There\'s a variety of such a \'waveform\' specific to each
population and infrastructure (sometimes national, sometimes local).

Human response is quirky, and those \'bumps\' tell us about quirks, not disease.

Do you even own an oscilloscope? Some people who post here don\'t.

Mine plugs into my computer, and I haven\'t used it for years. This doesn\'t have much bearing on anybody\'s capacity to interpret plotted-out time series data.
Which one do you have? I\'m at a point where I\'d like to have a good attached scope, but they seem to be less cost effective than self contained scopes. There\'s also a lot of junky stuff available. Seems like the Chinese stuff has totally crappy software.

I have a Hantek here somewhere. It was a low end unit I bought to check it out before investing in a high end unit. When I found how crappy it was (never got the software to work right) I contacted them about returning it and it seems the original shipment was reported lost so I got to keep it and my money back. I don\'t think I\'ve even tried to use it since then. I\'ve heard there\'s an open source effort in making better software for these units. Maybe I should look at that first. I don\'t think I\'m going to need much bandwidth for now.

What I\'ve got is a Picoscope 2203

https://www.picotech.com/download/datasheets/picoscope-2203-2204-2205-datasheet.pdf

It\'s old, and no longer in production. The interface is USB-2, not USB-3 and it\'s only 25MHz, which was fast enough for what I wanted it for.

I bought it because I\'d bought an even slower Picoscope part - which however did digitise to 12-bits - in my last paid job. We\'d needed to get experimental data into our computers, and that turned out to be the cheapest way of doing it. The device, and the software than came with it, had worked fine then, and the 2203 was just as easy to set up and use.

Farnell/element 14/ Newark still stocks Picoscope 2000 parts

https://www.newark.com/search?ost=Picoscope&searchref=searchlookahead&product-range=picoscope-2000-series

which aren\'t all that expensive. They also stock the the 3000, 4000, 5000 and 6000 series which are more powerful and more expensive.

Yeah, Picoscope seems to be the one quality maker in the business, but they are or were more expensive than many self contained scopes. I really want the portability of the attached scope, so maybe I\'ll shell out for one, but which? I need to think about what I\'m actually likely to need rather than what I\'d like to have. But yeah, they are not a low cost scope. 4 channel, 200 MHz MSO is $2400. Even the 2000 series with 2 channels, 100 MHz and MSO is $1000.

--

Rick C.

+-- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
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[Michael Terrell]

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 12:07:39 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

Do you even own an oscilloscope? Some people who post here don\'t.

A few. Tektronix 323, 324, 453A, 2465, 2465A (Multiples of some) and a bunch of scopes for NTSC video. One of the 2465 is rack mounted. I also have an old military scope built for the US military by Magnavox.

 

[server]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 21:24:58 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 9:07:39 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 21:02:49 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 7:29:22 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Really, the waveform keeps recurring, all over the world.

That\'s about human machinery implementing a negative feedback, with
some delays, and progressive improvements (or regressive overloads
and breakdowns) in health care. It says more about policies and
institutional infrastructure than about the disease per se.

That \'waveform\' is from detecting a hot spot and diverting resources
to it. There\'s a variety of such a \'waveform\' specific to each
population and infrastructure (sometimes national, sometimes local).

Human response is quirky, and those \'bumps\' tell us about quirks, not disease.

Do you even own an oscilloscope? Some people who post here don\'t.

Several; I kinda like the old Tek 301A, but it\'s hard keeping it, or the
Telequipment student \'scopes, working. Vacuum tubes turn to
mush.

I have a 301 in my scope collection, but I\'ve never wanted to power it
up. I remember the Telequipment stuff as being awful.

Modern color digital scopes are wonderful. We buy Rigol lately,
usually the 500 MHz 4-channel.

I have a 301 in my scope collection, but I\'ve never wanted to power it
up. I remember the Telequipment stuff as being awful.

Every \'peak\' in a pandemic is a transient, you can\'t overlap \'em or
trigger on them meaningfully. The last peak doesn\'t predict the next.

The covid thing seems to have a characteristic pulse shape, all over
the world, and now two separated pulses per location. The second one
is huge in some places. Masking can\'t explain that; something else is
going on.




--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[Ricketty C]

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 10:49:25 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 21:24:58 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com
wrote:

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 9:07:39 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 21:02:49 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 7:29:22 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

Really, the waveform keeps recurring, all over the world.

That\'s about human machinery implementing a negative feedback, with
some delays, and progressive improvements (or regressive overloads
and breakdowns) in health care. It says more about policies and
institutional infrastructure than about the disease per se.

That \'waveform\' is from detecting a hot spot and diverting resources
to it. There\'s a variety of such a \'waveform\' specific to each
population and infrastructure (sometimes national, sometimes local).

Human response is quirky, and those \'bumps\' tell us about quirks, not disease.

Do you even own an oscilloscope? Some people who post here don\'t.

Several; I kinda like the old Tek 301A, but it\'s hard keeping it, or the
Telequipment student \'scopes, working. Vacuum tubes turn to
mush.

I have a 301 in my scope collection, but I\'ve never wanted to power it
up. I remember the Telequipment stuff as being awful.

Modern color digital scopes are wonderful. We buy Rigol lately,
usually the 500 MHz 4-channel.

I have a 301 in my scope collection, but I\'ve never wanted to power it
up. I remember the Telequipment stuff as being awful.


Every \'peak\' in a pandemic is a transient, you can\'t overlap \'em or
trigger on them meaningfully. The last peak doesn\'t predict the next.

The covid thing seems to have a characteristic pulse shape, all over
the world, and now two separated pulses per location. The second one
is huge in some places. Masking can\'t explain that; something else is
going on.

Of course masks and distancing can explain it. This disease is not very obvious with bodies lying in the street or continuing streams of people overflowing hospitals (most of the time). The headlines are boring and it has lasted long enough for people to lose interest in fighting it.

When that happens the infection rate increases. I\'m willing to bet there is also an effect where this loss of patience is a contagious thing. One family returns to their own ways which influences their friends and neighbors who start to do the same. By the time the impact is apparent a large number of people are acting in risky ways and the disease rates climb rapidly.

It takes some weeks of increasing infection rates before people get the message and begrudgingly go back to hunkering down enough to get the infection rate on the run again.

The first peak is from the initial infection catching everyone off guard... fool me once. The second wave is from \"exhaustion\" of people self protecting... fool me twice. A third wave in the US is mostly from people listening to the portion of the government that things it is in their best interest to pan the disease and let everyone be infected possibly dying.

The really strange part is that Larkin has said many times how these infection rate curves are all so different in shape and yet he has fooled himself into thinking they are all the same. It was just a few days ago he talked about the Swedish curve being flat topped (or was it the Swiss?). So how can he claim they are all the same???

When it comes to things Larkin can measure with a meter he is pretty good. But when it comes to things he has to actually understand with limited experimental results, Larking launches into fantasy thoughts and unsupportable theories. He\'s just not a good thinker... at all.

He has been saying some characteristic of the virus is responsible for the undulations in the infection as if human behavior has nothing to do with it at all. Like they told G. Bush, it\'s about the people, stupid!

So are we ready to fix the Presidential election problem where the election is focused on a handful of states rather than being focused on the people?

I\'m thinking of the 2000 series Picoscope... maybe.

--

Rick C.

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[server]

On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 05:08:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2020/10/09/covid-19-cases-az-spiked-151-after-statewide-stay-home-order-and-dropped-75-following-local-mask-man/5911813002/

Are there still ignorant fools out there who think Trump, and some equally stupid GOP governors, didn\'t contribute directly to the mayhem and expense of the pandemic by flaunting disregard for the recommendations of public health experts?

NEJM is right, these people need to go.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/10/20/depression-deaths-double-cancelled-surgeries-lockdown-report/

The lockdowns will probably kill many times as many people as the
virus.

“People sometimes claim it’s a question of health versus the economy,
but it’s not – it’s health versus health,” Prof Sikora told the Daily
Mail.



--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc

Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[Ricketty C]

On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 1:08:53 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 05:08:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2020/10/09/covid-19-cases-az-spiked-151-after-statewide-stay-home-order-and-dropped-75-following-local-mask-man/5911813002/

Are there still ignorant fools out there who think Trump, and some equally stupid GOP governors, didn\'t contribute directly to the mayhem and expense of the pandemic by flaunting disregard for the recommendations of public health experts?

NEJM is right, these people need to go.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/10/20/depression-deaths-double-cancelled-surgeries-lockdown-report/

The lockdowns will probably kill many times as many people as the
virus.

“People sometimes claim it’s a question of health versus the economy,
but it’s not – it’s health versus health,” Prof Sikora told the Daily
Mail.

Even that is not the real picture. It is deal with the disease and resume all activities, ignore the disease and have massive health implications or do a halfway job of dealing with the disease and have the worst of all possibilities.

That\'s what is great about the US. We put personal freedoms ahead of sanity and health.

On the other hand, when the foe is a group of people we can unite against, we can build walls and separate mothers from their children. Not that either of those things are of much value, but they make good PR for the incumbent.

No one is talking much about immigrants these days are they?

--

Rick C.

++- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
++- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209

 

[whit3rd]

On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 10:08:53 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/10/20/depression-deaths-double-cancelled-surgeries-lockdown-report/

The lockdowns will probably kill many times as many people as the
virus.

False.

We\'re several months into \"lockdowns\" so you can find statistics to support that
\'probably\' claim? Why haven\'t you done so? Breitbart is not stressing the GOOD REASON for delaying
or cancelling surgeries, which is: overstressed medical facilities. Those
surgeries are delayed for safety reasons, to save lives, and that\'s more
important than our lockdown irritation.

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2020-10-20, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:

On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 05:08:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2020/10/09/covid-19-cases-az-spiked-151-after-statewide-stay-home-order-and-dropped-75-following-local-mask-man/5911813002/

Are there still ignorant fools out there who think Trump, and some equally stupid GOP governors, didn\'t contribute directly to the mayhem and expense of the pandemic by flaunting disregard for the recommendations of public health experts?

NEJM is right, these people need to go.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/10/20/depression-deaths-double-cancelled-surgeries-lockdown-report/

The lockdowns will probably kill many times as many people as the
virus.

Why are you making that meaningless comparison.

--
Jasen.

 

[Ricketty C]

On Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 1:30:56 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2020-10-20, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 05:08:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2020/10/09/covid-19-cases-az-spiked-151-after-statewide-stay-home-order-and-dropped-75-following-local-mask-man/5911813002/

Are there still ignorant fools out there who think Trump, and some equally stupid GOP governors, didn\'t contribute directly to the mayhem and expense of the pandemic by flaunting disregard for the recommendations of public health experts?

NEJM is right, these people need to go.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/10/20/depression-deaths-double-cancelled-surgeries-lockdown-report/

The lockdowns will probably kill many times as many people as the
virus.

Why are you making that meaningless comparison.

Because he wants to
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Sooner or later we all shake our canes at death and cry out, \"Get off my LAWN!\"

Larkin cries out that others have built no electronics, while his words had forked no lightning. Do not go gentle into that good night.

--

Rick C.

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[server]

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 05:27:15 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
<usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

On 2020-10-20, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 05:08:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2020/10/09/covid-19-cases-az-spiked-151-after-statewide-stay-home-order-and-dropped-75-following-local-mask-man/5911813002/

Are there still ignorant fools out there who think Trump, and some equally stupid GOP governors, didn\'t contribute directly to the mayhem and expense of the pandemic by flaunting disregard for the recommendations of public health experts?

NEJM is right, these people need to go.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/10/20/depression-deaths-double-cancelled-surgeries-lockdown-report/

The lockdowns will probably kill many times as many people as the
virus.

Why are you making that meaningless comparison.

Because all lives matter.



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Science teaches us to doubt.

Claude Bernard

 

[whit3rd]

On Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 7:39:03 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 05:27:15 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
use...@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

Why are you making that meaningless comparison.

Because all lives matter.

If one were to really believe that principle, he\'d stand back while medical
minds work out their solutions, rather than find clickbait canards to
fling in mockery.

 

[Ricketty C]

On Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 10:39:03 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 05:27:15 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

On 2020-10-20, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 05:08:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2020/10/09/covid-19-cases-az-spiked-151-after-statewide-stay-home-order-and-dropped-75-following-local-mask-man/5911813002/

Are there still ignorant fools out there who think Trump, and some equally stupid GOP governors, didn\'t contribute directly to the mayhem and expense of the pandemic by flaunting disregard for the recommendations of public health experts?

NEJM is right, these people need to go.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/10/20/depression-deaths-double-cancelled-surgeries-lockdown-report/

The lockdowns will probably kill many times as many people as the
virus.

Why are you making that meaningless comparison.

Because all lives matter.

No, when people talk about \"protecting\" the vulnerable and letting everyone else do whatever they wish, they are not saying all lives matter because you can\'t protect anyone from this disease when the infection rates are so high.

But this has all been said before. It is pointless trying to discuss a matter with a creature who isn\'t listening... in this case literally. Larkin is so sensitive to criticism that he can\'t even read what others have to say. In case he is tempted to read the posts of those he disagrees with he makes sure to remove the temptation by blocking the posts entirely.

That is amazingly pathetic.

I was in a checkers game as a kid and winning. The other kid decided to toss the board to end the game. That\'s like Larkin.

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Rick C.

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[Jasen Betts]

On 2020-10-21, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 05:27:15 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

On 2020-10-20, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 05:08:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2020/10/09/covid-19-cases-az-spiked-151-after-statewide-stay-home-order-and-dropped-75-following-local-mask-man/5911813002/

Are there still ignorant fools out there who think Trump, and some equally stupid GOP governors, didn\'t contribute directly to the mayhem and expense of the pandemic by flaunting disregard for the recommendations of public health experts?

NEJM is right, these people need to go.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/10/20/depression-deaths-double-cancelled-surgeries-lockdown-report/

The lockdowns will probably kill many times as many people as the
virus.

Why are you making that meaningless comparison.

Because all lives matter.

Liar: it\'s fairly obvious that you do not believe that.

If you did you would be comparing two different scenarios and noting
that many fewer people die with lockdowns than without, especially if
the lockdows are doen right.


The lockdowns will probably kill many times as many people as the virus.

But only because a lockdown done righ will dramatically reduice the
number killed by the virus,

lets say the lockdowns kill 100000 people and the virus kills 10000
that\'s still better than the virus killing 200000 without the lockdown.


--
Jasen.

 

[Ricketty C]

On Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 2:00:54 AM UTC-4, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2020-10-21, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 05:27:15 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
usenet@revmaps.no-ip.org> wrote:

On 2020-10-20, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com <jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 05:08:49 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2020/10/09/covid-19-cases-az-spiked-151-after-statewide-stay-home-order-and-dropped-75-following-local-mask-man/5911813002/

Are there still ignorant fools out there who think Trump, and some equally stupid GOP governors, didn\'t contribute directly to the mayhem and expense of the pandemic by flaunting disregard for the recommendations of public health experts?

NEJM is right, these people need to go.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/10/20/depression-deaths-double-cancelled-surgeries-lockdown-report/

The lockdowns will probably kill many times as many people as the
virus.

Why are you making that meaningless comparison.

Because all lives matter.

Liar: it\'s fairly obvious that you do not believe that.

If you did you would be comparing two different scenarios and noting
that many fewer people die with lockdowns than without, especially if
the lockdows are doen right.


The lockdowns will probably kill many times as many people as the virus.

But only because a lockdown done righ will dramatically reduice the
number killed by the virus,

lets say the lockdowns kill 100000 people and the virus kills 10000
that\'s still better than the virus killing 200000 without the lockdown.

You are trying to use math and Larkin has said he doesn\'t like math. He prefers simulation. In this case he seems to prefer experimentation. Meanwhile he continues to wear masks and take all the same precautions as everyone else, like more. He wears a mask on both his faces.

I believe pandemic exhaustion is a real thing. This disease is not very visible unless you pay close attention to the actual reports rather than the many interpretations of the reports. I think many people just get tired of dealing with the issues and without a constant reminder of the hazard give in to the personal desire to live their lives. They go to a restaurant once and don\'t get sick, so they do it again and don\'t get sick. They go to the newly opened movies and don\'t get sick... this repeats until the infection rate doubles and triples and the alarms show up in the news again.

Why can\'t people understand the disease is out there and until we get it under control for real we have to maintain the protections? If one person gets attacked by a shark at the beach the beach is closed for a week. The risk didn\'t go down, they just got used to it. But if two or three attacks are reported, the beach will be nearly empty for the season. With this disease there aren\'t enough people taken by the shark. Well, there actually are, but too many people rationalize it away as \"the flu\"... Maybe we should compare it to shark attacks.

\"220,000 people have died of shark attacks in the US so far this year.\"

That would get attention!!!

I guess we could just keep the most vulnerable away from the beach.

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