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Bret Cahill
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Digital hearing aids seem to remain pretty pricy. Is anything else
using DSP more expensive than a $300 laptop?
Bret Cahill
using DSP more expensive than a $300 laptop?
Bret Cahill
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Chris Bore
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On 20 Oct, 09:42, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
Medical ultrasound - $20,000
MRI - $20,000,000
High end digital HD TV - $2,000
Medical ultrasound - $20,000
MRI - $20,000,000
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Michael A. Terrell
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Chris Bore wrote:
Microdyne RCB-2000 telemetry reciever - $80,000
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The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!
Microdyne RCB-2000 telemetry reciever - $80,000
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The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!
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Jerry Avins
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Bret Cahill wrote:
Jerry
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Is the cost of a $300 laptop different from the cost of a $300 bicycle?
Jerry
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Rob Gaddi
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:43:30 -0400
Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote:
yet have crossed your mind.
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Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote:
Only insofar as two years from now, replacing your $300 bicycle won't
yet have crossed your mind.
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Email address is currently out of order
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Jerry Avins
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Rob Gaddi wrote:
Jerry
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You must be right. I still have the $96.50 bicycle I got in 1947.
Jerry
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Bret Cahill
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DSP isn't responsible for most of those costs.
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whit3rd
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On Oct 20, 10:21 am, Bret Cahill <BretCah...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
than the alternatives; it is a cost savings to use a DSP filter
rather than a tuned seven-pole wundernetwork. DSP
is responsible, in a way, for the cost difference in HDTV using
coupled vanadium tuning forks and HDTV with DSP, that actually
does show up on the store shelves. Alas, there ISN"T
any vanadium-tuning-fork price data easily available for
this comparison.
Welcome to engineering! DSP is used when it is less costly
than the alternatives; it is a cost savings to use a DSP filter
rather than a tuned seven-pole wundernetwork. DSP
is responsible, in a way, for the cost difference in HDTV using
coupled vanadium tuning forks and HDTV with DSP, that actually
does show up on the store shelves. Alas, there ISN"T
any vanadium-tuning-fork price data easily available for
this comparison.
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Bret Cahill
Guest
The first derivative is certainly different.
Bret Cahill
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Jerry Avins
Guest
Clay wrote:
generator and headlight and the "suitable warning device" that a
policeman made me install when, three mornings running, the same woman
ignored my stentorian warnings. Considering that I weigh about 180
pounds, ten pounds more or less makes little difference. (It's an
avinized Raleigh Lenton Clubman.)
Jerry
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28 pounds with fenders, carrier, and kick stand. Oh, yes, also the
generator and headlight and the "suitable warning device" that a
policeman made me install when, three mornings running, the same woman
ignored my stentorian warnings. Considering that I weigh about 180
pounds, ten pounds more or less makes little difference. (It's an
avinized Raleigh Lenton Clubman.)
Jerry
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Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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Jerry Avins
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Bret Cahill wrote:
Jerry
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A $60 cordless phone has at least two.
Jerry
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Clay
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On Oct 20, 2:55 pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
How much does it weigh?
Clay
How much does it weigh?
Clay
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Eric Jacobsen
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On 10/20/2009 3:32 PM, langwadt@fonz.dk wrote:
black list, too...
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Abineau Communications
http://www.abineau.com
Holy crap, there's Lasse again! And we were just talking about theOn 20 Okt., 23:36, Jerry Avins<j...@ieee.org> wrote:
Clay wrote:
On Oct 20, 2:55 pm, Jerry Avins<j...@ieee.org> wrote:
Rob Gaddi wrote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:43:30 -0400
Jerry Avins<j...@ieee.org> wrote:
Bret Cahill wrote:
Digital hearing aids seem to remain pretty pricy. Is anything else
using DSP more expensive than a $300 laptop?
Is the cost of a $300 laptop different from the cost of a $300
bicycle?
Jerry
Only insofar as two years from now, replacing your $300 bicycle won't
yet have crossed your mind.
You must be right. I still have the $96.50 bicycle I got in 1947.
Jerry
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How much does it weigh?
28 pounds with fenders, carrier, and kick stand. Oh, yes, also the
generator and headlight and the "suitable warning device" that a
policeman made me install when, three mornings running, the same woman
ignored my stentorian warnings. Considering that I weigh about 180
pounds, ten pounds more or less makes little difference. (It's an
avinized Raleigh Lenton Clubman.)
Jerry
reminds me of last years tv from tour de france, two of the
commentators
rode up one of the mountain stages to show the route. one of the
commentators
has been in the Tour several times as a rider commented that it was
harder than
he remembered, but he also had about 20 more water bottles to drag up
hill
UCI sets a minium weight of around 15 pound for a bike
-Lasse
black list, too...
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Minister of Algorithms
Abineau Communications
http://www.abineau.com
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Eric Jacobsen
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On 10/20/2009 11:43 AM, Jerry Avins wrote:
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Minister of Algorithms
Abineau Communications
http://www.abineau.com
But isn't the on-topic question which one has more cost from DSP?
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Minister of Algorithms
Abineau Communications
http://www.abineau.com
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Eric Jacobsen
Guest
On 10/20/2009 2:36 PM, Jerry Avins wrote:
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Minister of Algorithms
Abineau Communications
http://www.abineau.com
Avinized? I'll have to remember that term.
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Minister of Algorithms
Abineau Communications
http://www.abineau.com
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Andrew Reilly
Guest
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:19:36 -0400, Jerry Avins wrote:
they give them away for "free") has about as much compute grunt as a
Cray-1 (if you ignore the differerence in precision and size of the
working data set).
My not all that expensive, but not bottom-of-the-line phone is at least
100 times more powerful than my first graphical Unix workstation in
almost every dimension (apart from screen resolution), and still runs
Unix, sort-of. It's phone-ness is kind of an ancilliary function...
The least expensive MP3 player (within epsilon of $0) does a reasonable
amount of DSP, although that's usually in an ASIC rather than a
programmable processor, for battery-life reasons.
The only "expensive" consumer items that I can think of that have
identifiable DSP functionality are A/V receivers, TVs and cars.
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Andrew
The least expensive (GSM) mobile phone (whatever that is: can't be much,
they give them away for "free") has about as much compute grunt as a
Cray-1 (if you ignore the differerence in precision and size of the
working data set).
My not all that expensive, but not bottom-of-the-line phone is at least
100 times more powerful than my first graphical Unix workstation in
almost every dimension (apart from screen resolution), and still runs
Unix, sort-of. It's phone-ness is kind of an ancilliary function...
The least expensive MP3 player (within epsilon of $0) does a reasonable
amount of DSP, although that's usually in an ASIC rather than a
programmable processor, for battery-life reasons.
The only "expensive" consumer items that I can think of that have
identifiable DSP functionality are A/V receivers, TVs and cars.
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Andrew
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Bret Cahill
Guest
DSP must be commonplace in _some_ low end low priced consumer items,
however well hidden.
Bret Cahill
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langwadt@fonz.dk
Guest
On 20 Okt., 23:36, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
commentators
rode up one of the mountain stages to show the route. one of the
commentators
has been in the Tour several times as a rider commented that it was
harder than
he remembered, but he also had about 20 more water bottles to drag up
hill
UCI sets a minium weight of around 15 pound for a bike
-Lasse
reminds me of last years tv from tour de france, two of the
commentators
rode up one of the mountain stages to show the route. one of the
commentators
has been in the Tour several times as a rider commented that it was
harder than
he remembered, but he also had about 20 more water bottles to drag up
hill
UCI sets a minium weight of around 15 pound for a bike
-Lasse
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Jerry Avins
Guest
langwadt@fonz.dk wrote:
it full. Saddlebags hanging from the carrier and a carton on top let me
haul about 100 pounds of groceries up the hill home. (Before I had the
bike with a gearshift, I snapped a chain going up that hill with only
myself as load.) Weight matters when seconds do, otherwise, hardly at all.
Jerry
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I used to hitch a folding two-wheel grocery wagon to my carrier and loadOn 20 Okt., 23:36, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
Clay wrote:
On Oct 20, 2:55 pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
Rob Gaddi wrote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:43:30 -0400
Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
Bret Cahill wrote:
Digital hearing aids seem to remain pretty pricy. Is anything else
using DSP more expensive than a $300 laptop?
Is the cost of a $300 laptop different from the cost of a $300
bicycle?
Jerry
Only insofar as two years from now, replacing your $300 bicycle won't
yet have crossed your mind.
You must be right. I still have the $96.50 bicycle I got in 1947.
Jerry
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How much does it weigh?
28 pounds with fenders, carrier, and kick stand. Oh, yes, also the
generator and headlight and the "suitable warning device" that a
policeman made me install when, three mornings running, the same woman
ignored my stentorian warnings. Considering that I weigh about 180
pounds, ten pounds more or less makes little difference. (It's an
avinized Raleigh Lenton Clubman.)
Jerry
reminds me of last years tv from tour de france, two of the
commentators
rode up one of the mountain stages to show the route. one of the
commentators
has been in the Tour several times as a rider commented that it was
harder than
he remembered, but he also had about 20 more water bottles to drag up
hill
UCI sets a minium weight of around 15 pound for a bike
it full. Saddlebags hanging from the carrier and a carton on top let me
haul about 100 pounds of groceries up the hill home. (Before I had the
bike with a gearshift, I snapped a chain going up that hill with only
myself as load.) Weight matters when seconds do, otherwise, hardly at all.
Jerry
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Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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Jerry Avins
Guest
Eric Jacobsen wrote:
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neglected to greet him as you just did.
Jerry
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I guess you missed him the other day. I'm ashamed to say that IHoly crap, there's Lasse again! And we were just talking about the
black list, too...
neglected to greet him as you just did.
Jerry
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