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And it didn't start in Wuhan, the virus samples collected there are second generation. And I know it was in U.S. by late November, but because it's impossible to make an antibody test, we'll never know.
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-outbreak-september-not-wuhan-1498566
On 4/18/2020 6:37 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
 And it didn't start in Wuhan, the virus samples collected there are
second generation. And I know it was in U.S. by late November, but
because it's impossible to make an antibody test, we'll never know.
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-outbreak-september-not-wuhan-1498566
Yea, the "bio lab" idea is about as in-touch with reality as that child
sex ring Podesta was running out of a pizza parlor basement in DC.
On 4/18/2020 6:37 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
And it didn't start in Wuhan, the virus samples collected there are second generation. And I know it was in U.S. by late November, but because it's impossible to make an antibody test, we'll never know.
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-outbreak-september-not-wuhan-1498566
Yea, the "bio lab" idea is about as in-touch with reality as that child
sex ring Podesta was running out of a pizza parlor basement in DC.
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/18/2020 6:37 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
And it didn't start in Wuhan, the virus samples collected there are second generation. And I know it was in U.S. by late November, but because it's impossible to make an antibody test, we'll never know.
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-outbreak-september-not-wuhan-1498566
Yea, the "bio lab" idea is about as in-touch with reality as that child
sex ring Podesta was running out of a pizza parlor basement in DC.
Well, Luc Montagnier is not a lunatic, and if he says the Covid-19 has an HIV sequence, then it has an HIV sequence. So there is in fact something synthetic about this virus, and that means a lab.
On 4/18/2020 7:02 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/18/2020 6:37 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
And it didn't start in Wuhan, the virus samples collected there are second generation. And I know it was in U.S. by late November, but because it's impossible to make an antibody test, we'll never know.
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-outbreak-september-not-wuhan-1498566
Yea, the "bio lab" idea is about as in-touch with reality as that child
sex ring Podesta was running out of a pizza parlor basement in DC.
Well, Luc Montagnier is not a lunatic, and if he says the Covid-19 has an HIV sequence, then it has an HIV sequence. So there is in fact something synthetic about this virus, and that means a lab.
William Shockley wasn't a lunatic either, well at least at age 35 he
probably wasn't. Age 87 tends to be anyone's guess.
"What the...why does the serial number on this virus say Bethesda,
Maryland???"
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 7:16:59 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/18/2020 7:02 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/18/2020 6:37 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
And it didn't start in Wuhan, the virus samples collected there are second generation. And I know it was in U.S. by late November, but because it's impossible to make an antibody test, we'll never know.
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-outbreak-september-not-wuhan-1498566
Yea, the "bio lab" idea is about as in-touch with reality as that child
sex ring Podesta was running out of a pizza parlor basement in DC.
Well, Luc Montagnier is not a lunatic, and if he says the Covid-19 has an HIV sequence, then it has an HIV sequence. So there is in fact something synthetic about this virus, and that means a lab.
William Shockley wasn't a lunatic either, well at least at age 35 he
probably wasn't. Age 87 tends to be anyone's guess.
"What the...why does the serial number on this virus say Bethesda,
Maryland???"
What's in Bethesda, MD? Are you talking about the NIH?
It should read "Frederick, MD", but they certainly would have pointed the finger to someone else like Moscow or Wuhan.
BTW, that "serial number" doesn't have a patent number or copyright does it? If not we are free to copy it, no?
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/18/2020 6:37 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
And it didn't start in Wuhan, the virus samples collected there are second generation. And I know it was in U.S. by late November, but because it's impossible to make an antibody test, we'll never know.
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-outbreak-september-not-wuhan-1498566
Yea, the "bio lab" idea is about as in-touch with reality as that child
sex ring Podesta was running out of a pizza parlor basement in DC.
Well, Luc Montagnier is not a lunatic, and if he says the Covid-19 has an HIV sequence, then it has an HIV sequence. So there is in fact something synthetic about this virus, and that means a lab.
Well, Luc Montagnier is not a lunatic, and if he says the Covid-19 has
an HIV sequence, then it has an HIV sequence. So there is in fact
something synthetic about this virus, and that means a lab.
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:02:29 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:
Well, Luc Montagnier is not a lunatic, and if he says the Covid-19 has
an HIV sequence, then it has an HIV sequence. So there is in fact
something synthetic about this virus, and that means a lab.
Oh, so you now admit to the likelihood that it's man-made, then? Unless
you have a different definition of "synthetic" to the one provided by the
OED that is.
You may not have noticed, but it's overwhelmingly the pro-Globalist
lickspittles who are denying that China is responsible for this disaster
- and for no other reason than it consigns their dystopian dream of a
brave new world without borders into the trashcan of history's dumbest
ideas (where it rightly belongs).
On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:02:35 AM UTC+10, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/18/2020 6:37 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
And it didn't start in Wuhan, the virus samples collected there are second generation. And I know it was in U.S. by late November, but because it's impossible to make an antibody test, we'll never know.
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-outbreak-september-not-wuhan-1498566
Yea, the "bio lab" idea is about as in-touch with reality as that child
sex ring Podesta was running out of a pizza parlor basement in DC.
Well, Luc Montagnier is not a lunatic, and if he says the Covid-19 has an HIV sequence, then it has an HIV sequence. So there is in fact something synthetic about this virus, and that means a lab.
He could say that a particular sequence of nucleotides in the Covid-19 genome matches a particular stretch of nucleotides in the HIV genome.
Until we know how long this sequence is it doesn't mean much. Any two pairs of nucleotides have got a fairly good chance of matching a lot of two nucleotide sequences in lots of other virus geneomes.
There are nucleotide sequences that code for functions that every virus needs, so we do need to know what the sequence is before we start getting excited.
Luc Montagnier probably isn't a lunatic, but elderly Nobel Prize winners do like exploiting their status to get noticed, and sometimes they do come up with dubious stuff. He's 87 now, and back in 2009 when he was only 77, he published a paper which struck some readers as decidedly unsound.
--
VBill Sloman, Sydney
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:02:29 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:
Well, Luc Montagnier is not a lunatic, and if he says the Covid-19 has
an HIV sequence, then it has an HIV sequence. So there is in fact
something synthetic about this virus, and that means a lab.
Oh, so you now admit to the likelihood that it's man-made, then? Unless
you have a different definition of "synthetic" to the one provided by the
OED that is.
You may not have noticed, but it's overwhelmingly the pro-Globalist
lickspittles who are denying that China is responsible for this disaster
- and for no other reason than it consigns their dystopian dream of a
brave new world without borders into the trashcan of history's dumbest
ideas (where it rightly belongs).
There was more to it than that. If Montagnier then goes on to say the
discovery led him to believe the virus was a candidate vector for an HIV
vaccine, that would mean the DNA would code for an HIV surface protein.
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 04:14:39 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:
There was more to it than that. If Montagnier then goes on to say the
discovery led him to believe the virus was a candidate vector for an HIV
vaccine, that would mean the DNA would code for an HIV surface protein.
Aside from that, I find Sloman's suggestion that someone of this guy's
calibre would raise the alarm over the matching of just a couple of base
pairs with HIV totally risible (like so much else he posts that I don't
see unless someone quotes it).
On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 4:58:14 AM UTC-4, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:02:29 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:
Well, Luc Montagnier is not a lunatic, and if he says the Covid-19 has
an HIV sequence, then it has an HIV sequence. So there is in fact
something synthetic about this virus, and that means a lab.
Oh, so you now admit to the likelihood that it's man-made, then? Unless
you have a different definition of "synthetic" to the one provided by the
OED that is.
If by man-made you mean "but for" the interference of mankind, the virus would not exist, then it's man-made.
You may not have noticed, but it's overwhelmingly the pro-Globalist
lickspittles who are denying that China is responsible for this disaster
- and for no other reason than it consigns their dystopian dream of a
brave new world without borders into the trashcan of history's dumbest
ideas (where it rightly belongs).
China is in big economic trouble The people in the west will be clamoring for much less dependence on China for essential products like pharmaceuticals.
On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 1:03:14 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:02:35 AM UTC+10, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/18/2020 6:37 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
And it didn't start in Wuhan, the virus samples collected there are second generation. And I know it was in U.S. by late November, but because it's impossible to make an antibody test, we'll never know.
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-outbreak-september-not-wuhan-1498566
Yea, the "bio lab" idea is about as in-touch with reality as that child
sex ring Podesta was running out of a pizza parlor basement in DC.
Well, Luc Montagnier is not a lunatic, and if he says the Covid-19 has an HIV sequence, then it has an HIV sequence. So there is in fact something synthetic about this virus, and that means a lab.
He could say that a particular sequence of nucleotides in the Covid-19 genome matches a particular stretch of nucleotides in the HIV genome.
Until we know how long this sequence is it doesn't mean much. Any two pairs of nucleotides have got a fairly good chance of matching a lot of two nucleotide sequences in lots of other virus geneomes.
There are nucleotide sequences that code for functions that every virus needs, so we do need to know what the sequence is before we start getting excited.
Luc Montagnier probably isn't a lunatic, but elderly Nobel Prize winners do like exploiting their status to get noticed, and sometimes they do come up with dubious stuff. He's 87 now, and back in 2009 when he was only 77, he published a paper which struck some readers as decidedly unsound.
There was more to it than that. Luc Montagnier then goes on to say the discovery led him to believe the virus was a candidate vector for an HIV vaccine, that would mean the DNA would code for an HIV surface protein.
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 04:14:39 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:
There was more to it than that. If Montagnier then goes on to say the
discovery led him to believe the virus was a candidate vector for an HIV
vaccine, that would mean the DNA would code for an HIV surface protein.
Aside from that, I find Sloman's suggestion that someone of this guy's
calibre would raise the alarm over the matching of just a couple of base
pairs with HIV totally risible (like so much else he posts that I don't
see unless someone quotes it).
On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:14:44 PM UTC+10, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 1:03:14 AM UTC-4, Bill Sloman wrote:
On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:02:35 AM UTC+10, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 6:48:00 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
On 4/18/2020 6:37 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
And it didn't start in Wuhan, the virus samples collected there are second generation. And I know it was in U.S. by late November, but because it's impossible to make an antibody test, we'll never know.
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-outbreak-september-not-wuhan-1498566
Yea, the "bio lab" idea is about as in-touch with reality as that child
sex ring Podesta was running out of a pizza parlor basement in DC..
Well, Luc Montagnier is not a lunatic, and if he says the Covid-19 has an HIV sequence, then it has an HIV sequence. So there is in fact something synthetic about this virus, and that means a lab.
He could say that a particular sequence of nucleotides in the Covid-19 genome matches a particular stretch of nucleotides in the HIV genome.
Until we know how long this sequence is it doesn't mean much. Any two pairs of nucleotides have got a fairly good chance of matching a lot of two nucleotide sequences in lots of other virus geneomes.
There are nucleotide sequences that code for functions that every virus needs, so we do need to know what the sequence is before we start getting excited.
Luc Montagnier probably isn't a lunatic, but elderly Nobel Prize winners do like exploiting their status to get noticed, and sometimes they do come up with dubious stuff. He's 87 now, and back in 2009 when he was only 77, he published a paper which struck some readers as decidedly unsound.
There was more to it than that. Luc Montagnier then goes on to say the discovery led him to believe the virus was a candidate vector for an HIV vaccine, that would mean the DNA would code for an HIV surface protein.
But you can't be bothered to provide a link to a document which spells out what he actually had to say.
And the field seems to use smaller and better behaved viruses when they want one to use as a vaccine to create an antigen to provoke the immune system to produce an antibody to it.
And exactly how unique are HIV surface proteins anyway?
--
Bil Sloman, Sydney
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 04:14:39 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:
There was more to it than that. If Montagnier then goes on to say the
discovery led him to believe the virus was a candidate vector for an HIV
vaccine, that would mean the DNA would code for an HIV surface protein.
Aside from that, I find Sloman's suggestion that someone of this guy's
calibre would raise the alarm over the matching of just a couple of base
pairs with HIV totally risible..
On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 04:14:39 -0700, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred wrote:
There was more to it than that. If Montagnier then goes on to say the
discovery led him to believe the virus was a candidate vector for an HIV
vaccine, that would mean the DNA would code for an HIV surface protein.
Aside from that, I find Sloman's suggestion that someone of this guy's
calibre would raise the alarm over the matching of just a couple of base
pairs with HIV totally risible (like so much else he posts that I don't
see unless someone quotes it).