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Tens of millions of deaths:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_plague_pandemic
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whit3rd
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Yeah, but... past plagues have modern solutions (for bubonic plague, antibiotics).
Some are still scary (rabies, malaria, tuberculosis, sleeping sickness) but containable.
COVID-19 is neither contained nor soluble (until we get enough immunity
from the survivors of early waves to blunt later waves), so it's good
practice to scramble hard NOW on less-than-complete containment
while looking for a vaccine or effective treatment.
Comparison of the plagues of history isn't much use, because our modern
public health infrastructure is SO different from (for instance)
the smallpox inoculation expedition of 1803
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balmis_Expedition>
Some are still scary (rabies, malaria, tuberculosis, sleeping sickness) but containable.
COVID-19 is neither contained nor soluble (until we get enough immunity
from the survivors of early waves to blunt later waves), so it's good
practice to scramble hard NOW on less-than-complete containment
while looking for a vaccine or effective treatment.
Comparison of the plagues of history isn't much use, because our modern
public health infrastructure is SO different from (for instance)
the smallpox inoculation expedition of 1803
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balmis_Expedition>
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Clive Arthur
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On 29/03/2020 20:03, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
Robert, why do you keep presenting yourself as an expert on this?
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Clive
Tens of millions of deaths:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_plague_pandemic
Robert, why do you keep presenting yourself as an expert on this?
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Cheers
Clive
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Rick C
Guest
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 7:58:47 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
That is actually not true. In China they have this virus under some level of control with less than 100 new infections every day and fewer deaths everyday some 10 times lower than the recovered rate.
It could have been stopped in this country, but we are the new Italy failing to impose adequate restrictions early on and continuing to fall short. But you can't say it was impossible to deal with. Several Asian countries are proving this disease can be addressed if appropriate measures are taken. Why would you say otherwise when there is proof?
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On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 5:35:30 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
Yeah, but... past plagues have modern solutions (for bubonic plague, antibiotics).
Some are still scary (rabies, malaria, tuberculosis, sleeping sickness) but containable.
COVID-19 is neither contained nor soluble (until we get enough immunity
from the survivors of early waves to blunt later waves), so it's good
practice to scramble hard NOW on less-than-complete containment
while looking for a vaccine or effective treatment.
Comparison of the plagues of history isn't much use, because our modern
public health infrastructure is SO different from (for instance)
the smallpox inoculation expedition of 1803
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balmis_Expedition
This go- around is teaching us that no matter how advanced the medical science and its technology, when you get inundated by millions of victims, it might as well not exist. There's nothing you can do to stop it.
That is actually not true. In China they have this virus under some level of control with less than 100 new infections every day and fewer deaths everyday some 10 times lower than the recovered rate.
It could have been stopped in this country, but we are the new Italy failing to impose adequate restrictions early on and continuing to fall short. But you can't say it was impossible to deal with. Several Asian countries are proving this disease can be addressed if appropriate measures are taken. Why would you say otherwise when there is proof?
--
Rick C.
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Guest
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 5:35:30 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
This go- around is teaching us that no matter how advanced the medical science and its technology, when you get inundated by millions of victims, it might as well not exist. There's nothing you can do to stop it.
Yeah, but... past plagues have modern solutions (for bubonic plague, antibiotics).
Some are still scary (rabies, malaria, tuberculosis, sleeping sickness) but containable.
COVID-19 is neither contained nor soluble (until we get enough immunity
from the survivors of early waves to blunt later waves), so it's good
practice to scramble hard NOW on less-than-complete containment
while looking for a vaccine or effective treatment.
Comparison of the plagues of history isn't much use, because our modern
public health infrastructure is SO different from (for instance)
the smallpox inoculation expedition of 1803
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balmis_Expedition
This go- around is teaching us that no matter how advanced the medical science and its technology, when you get inundated by millions of victims, it might as well not exist. There's nothing you can do to stop it.
F
Flyguy
Guest
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 5:28:22 PM UTC-7, Rick C wrote:
China DOES NOT have COVID-19 under control - they only have their many lies (partially) under control. But, that, too, has limits as noted by Walter Scott:
O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 7:58:47 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 5:35:30 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
Yeah, but... past plagues have modern solutions (for bubonic plague, antibiotics).
Some are still scary (rabies, malaria, tuberculosis, sleeping sickness) but containable.
COVID-19 is neither contained nor soluble (until we get enough immunity
from the survivors of early waves to blunt later waves), so it's good
practice to scramble hard NOW on less-than-complete containment
while looking for a vaccine or effective treatment.
Comparison of the plagues of history isn't much use, because our modern
public health infrastructure is SO different from (for instance)
the smallpox inoculation expedition of 1803
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balmis_Expedition
This go- around is teaching us that no matter how advanced the medical science and its technology, when you get inundated by millions of victims, it might as well not exist. There's nothing you can do to stop it.
That is actually not true. In China they have this virus under some level of control with less than 100 new infections every day and fewer deaths everyday some 10 times lower than the recovered rate.
It could have been stopped in this country, but we are the new Italy failing to impose adequate restrictions early on and continuing to fall short. But you can't say it was impossible to deal with. Several Asian countries are proving this disease can be addressed if appropriate measures are taken. Why would you say otherwise when there is proof?
--
Rick C.
- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
China DOES NOT have COVID-19 under control - they only have their many lies (partially) under control. But, that, too, has limits as noted by Walter Scott:
O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!
M
Michael Terrell
Guest
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 8:28:22 PM UTC-4, Rick C wrote:
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/03/30/urns-in-wuhan-raise-doubt-about-deaths-in-china-locals-claim-it-was-close-to-42k-people-not-3299-903121?utm_campaign=bizpac&utm_content=Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_source=Get+Response&utm_term=EMAIL
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 7:58:47 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 5:35:30 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
Yeah, but... past plagues have modern solutions (for bubonic plague, antibiotics).
Some are still scary (rabies, malaria, tuberculosis, sleeping sickness) but containable.
COVID-19 is neither contained nor soluble (until we get enough immunity
from the survivors of early waves to blunt later waves), so it's good
practice to scramble hard NOW on less-than-complete containment
while looking for a vaccine or effective treatment.
Comparison of the plagues of history isn't much use, because our modern
public health infrastructure is SO different from (for instance)
the smallpox inoculation expedition of 1803
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balmis_Expedition
This go- around is teaching us that no matter how advanced the medical science and its technology, when you get inundated by millions of victims, it might as well not exist. There's nothing you can do to stop it.
That is actually not true. In China they have this virus under some level of control with less than 100 new infections every day and fewer deaths everyday some 10 times lower than the recovered rate.
It could have been stopped in this country, but we are the new Italy failing to impose adequate restrictions early on and continuing to fall short. But you can't say it was impossible to deal with. Several Asian countries are proving this disease can be addressed if appropriate measures are taken. Why would you say otherwise when there is proof?
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/03/30/urns-in-wuhan-raise-doubt-about-deaths-in-china-locals-claim-it-was-close-to-42k-people-not-3299-903121?utm_campaign=bizpac&utm_content=Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_source=Get+Response&utm_term=EMAIL
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John Larkin
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On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 12:03:15 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
Cool web site, deaths in Europe:
https://www.euromomo.eu/index.html
Cold kills old people. 2017 was bad. This year looks good so far.
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picosecond timing precision measurement
jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
Tens of millions of deaths:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_plague_pandemic
Cool web site, deaths in Europe:
https://www.euromomo.eu/index.html
Cold kills old people. 2017 was bad. This year looks good so far.
--
John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement
jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
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mpm
Guest
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 3:03:22 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
Good example of why you should not trust everything you read online.
From the Wikipedia article: (Please explain this to me.)
"This episode of bubonic plague spread to all inhabited continents, and ultimately led to more than 1 million deaths in India and China, with about 10 million killed in India alone."
WTF?!
More than 1M in India & China, BUT 10M killed in India alone?
Somebody needs to learn how to present a thought correctly.
This is gibberish.
Tens of millions of deaths:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_plague_pandemic
Good example of why you should not trust everything you read online.
From the Wikipedia article: (Please explain this to me.)
"This episode of bubonic plague spread to all inhabited continents, and ultimately led to more than 1 million deaths in India and China, with about 10 million killed in India alone."
WTF?!
More than 1M in India & China, BUT 10M killed in India alone?
Somebody needs to learn how to present a thought correctly.
This is gibberish.
R
Rick C
Guest
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 5:37:07 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
No one is listening to your nonsense.
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On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 5:28:22 PM UTC-7, Rick C wrote:
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 7:58:47 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 5:35:30 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
Yeah, but... past plagues have modern solutions (for bubonic plague, antibiotics).
Some are still scary (rabies, malaria, tuberculosis, sleeping sickness) but containable.
COVID-19 is neither contained nor soluble (until we get enough immunity
from the survivors of early waves to blunt later waves), so it's good
practice to scramble hard NOW on less-than-complete containment
while looking for a vaccine or effective treatment.
Comparison of the plagues of history isn't much use, because our modern
public health infrastructure is SO different from (for instance)
the smallpox inoculation expedition of 1803
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balmis_Expedition
This go- around is teaching us that no matter how advanced the medical science and its technology, when you get inundated by millions of victims, it might as well not exist. There's nothing you can do to stop it.
That is actually not true. In China they have this virus under some level of control with less than 100 new infections every day and fewer deaths everyday some 10 times lower than the recovered rate.
It could have been stopped in this country, but we are the new Italy failing to impose adequate restrictions early on and continuing to fall short.. But you can't say it was impossible to deal with. Several Asian countries are proving this disease can be addressed if appropriate measures are taken. Why would you say otherwise when there is proof?
--
Rick C.
- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
China DOES NOT have COVID-19 under control - they only have their many lies (partially) under control. But, that, too, has limits as noted by Walter Scott:
O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!
No one is listening to your nonsense.
--
Rick C.
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R
Rick C
Guest
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 6:29:45 PM UTC-4, mpm wrote:
Yeah, someone screwed up. They should have a reference for this (if the editor is awake). Look it up in the reference and see what the correct numbers are. If the reference is clear you can correct it. That's how Wikipedia is supposed to work.
I found a statement in a wiki article once which I checked against the reference only to find the reference said the exact opposite of what the wiki article said. That may have been my first edit to Wikipedia.
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Rick C.
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On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 3:03:22 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
Tens of millions of deaths:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_plague_pandemic
Good example of why you should not trust everything you read online.
From the Wikipedia article: (Please explain this to me.)
"This episode of bubonic plague spread to all inhabited continents, and ultimately led to more than 1 million deaths in India and China, with about 10 million killed in India alone."
WTF?!
More than 1M in India & China, BUT 10M killed in India alone?
Somebody needs to learn how to present a thought correctly.
This is gibberish.
Yeah, someone screwed up. They should have a reference for this (if the editor is awake). Look it up in the reference and see what the correct numbers are. If the reference is clear you can correct it. That's how Wikipedia is supposed to work.
I found a statement in a wiki article once which I checked against the reference only to find the reference said the exact opposite of what the wiki article said. That may have been my first edit to Wikipedia.
--
Rick C.
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Bill Sloman
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On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 8:37:07 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
Flyguy does like to make this claim. His evidence to support it comes down to the observation that the Chinese government is wicked and deceitful (like every other government on the planet) without anything specific to suggest why they might be bothering to being deceitful on this particular point.
> O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!
Which is precisely why the Chinese government wouldn't bother to lie about their infection numbers.
Flyguy doesn't understand much at all, so he won't see the point.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 5:28:22 PM UTC-7, Rick C wrote:
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 7:58:47 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 5:35:30 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
Yeah, but... past plagues have modern solutions (for bubonic plague, antibiotics).
Some are still scary (rabies, malaria, tuberculosis, sleeping sickness) but containable.
COVID-19 is neither contained nor soluble (until we get enough immunity
from the survivors of early waves to blunt later waves), so it's good
practice to scramble hard NOW on less-than-complete containment
while looking for a vaccine or effective treatment.
Comparison of the plagues of history isn't much use, because our modern
public health infrastructure is SO different from (for instance)
the smallpox inoculation expedition of 1803
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balmis_Expedition
This go- around is teaching us that no matter how advanced the medical science and its technology, when you get inundated by millions of victims, it might as well not exist. There's nothing you can do to stop it.
That is actually not true. In China they have this virus under some level of control with less than 100 new infections every day and fewer deaths everyday some 10 times lower than the recovered rate.
It could have been stopped in this country, but we are the new Italy failing to impose adequate restrictions early on and continuing to fall short.. But you can't say it was impossible to deal with. Several Asian countries are proving this disease can be addressed if appropriate measures are taken. Why would you say otherwise when there is proof?
China DOES NOT have COVID-19 under control - they only have their many lies (partially) under control. But, that, too, has limits as noted by Walter Scott:
Flyguy does like to make this claim. His evidence to support it comes down to the observation that the Chinese government is wicked and deceitful (like every other government on the planet) without anything specific to suggest why they might be bothering to being deceitful on this particular point.
> O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!
Which is precisely why the Chinese government wouldn't bother to lie about their infection numbers.
Flyguy doesn't understand much at all, so he won't see the point.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Guest
Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in news:585f5267-0c14-4542-
b320-e497ed01fb6e@googlegroups.com:
Becuase of Trump, regardless of what he did do, the things he
failed to do means that we will have another wave in the fall
regardless of any flattening of the current influx.
b320-e497ed01fb6e@googlegroups.com:
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 8:48:04 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 12:03:15 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
Tens of millions of deaths:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_plague_pandemic
Cool web site, deaths in Europe:
https://www.euromomo.eu/index.html
Cold kills old people. 2017 was bad. This year looks good so far.
That "so far" exhibits a huge failure of comprehension.
Becuase of Trump, regardless of what he did do, the things he
failed to do means that we will have another wave in the fall
regardless of any flattening of the current influx.
B
Bill Sloman
Guest
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 8:37:07 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
That's Flyguy's theory. He hasn't got any evidence to support it - beyond the claim that the Chinese government is wicked and deceitful (like every other government on the planet).
> O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!
Flyguy is bright enough to realise that he is caught in the same web.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 5:28:22 PM UTC-7, Rick C wrote:
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 7:58:47 PM UTC-4, bloggs.fre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 5:35:30 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
Yeah, but... past plagues have modern solutions (for bubonic plague, antibiotics).
Some are still scary (rabies, malaria, tuberculosis, sleeping sickness) but containable.
COVID-19 is neither contained nor soluble (until we get enough immunity
from the survivors of early waves to blunt later waves), so it's good
practice to scramble hard NOW on less-than-complete containment
while looking for a vaccine or effective treatment.
Comparison of the plagues of history isn't much use, because our modern
public health infrastructure is SO different from (for instance)
the smallpox inoculation expedition of 1803
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balmis_Expedition
This go- around is teaching us that no matter how advanced the medical science and its technology, when you get inundated by millions of victims, it might as well not exist. There's nothing you can do to stop it.
That is actually not true. In China they have this virus under some level of control with less than 100 new infections every day and fewer deaths everyday some 10 times lower than the recovered rate.
It could have been stopped in this country, but we are the new Italy failing to impose adequate restrictions early on and continuing to fall short.. But you can't say it was impossible to deal with. Several Asian countries are proving this disease can be addressed if appropriate measures are taken. Why would you say otherwise when there is proof?
China DOES NOT have COVID-19 under control - they only have their many lies (partially) under control. But, that, too, has limits as noted by Walter Scott:
That's Flyguy's theory. He hasn't got any evidence to support it - beyond the claim that the Chinese government is wicked and deceitful (like every other government on the planet).
> O, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!
Flyguy is bright enough to realise that he is caught in the same web.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
B
Bill Sloman
Guest
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 8:48:04 AM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:
That "so far" exhibits a huge failure of comprehension.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Sun, 29 Mar 2020 12:03:15 -0700 (PDT),
bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
Tens of millions of deaths:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_plague_pandemic
Cool web site, deaths in Europe:
https://www.euromomo.eu/index.html
Cold kills old people. 2017 was bad. This year looks good so far.
That "so far" exhibits a huge failure of comprehension.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
B
Bill Sloman
Guest
On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 12:20:28 AM UTC+11, Davej wrote:
What you are saying is that the Chinese Communist Party doesn't take kindly to people trying to present an independent point of view. They never have.
As evidence that China is lying about the number of people who died in Wuhan, or the current rate of new infections, it is simply irrelevant.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 9:06:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
Flyguy does like to make this claim. His evidence to support it comes
down to the observation that the Chinese government is wicked and
deceitful (like every other government on the planet) without anything
specific to suggest why they might be bothering to being deceitful on
this particular point.
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-whistleblowers-speak-out-vanish-2020-2?op=1
https://www.dw.com/en/chinese-tycoon-missing-after-criticizing-coronavirus-response/a-52780850
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51486106
What you are saying is that the Chinese Communist Party doesn't take kindly to people trying to present an independent point of view. They never have.
As evidence that China is lying about the number of people who died in Wuhan, or the current rate of new infections, it is simply irrelevant.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
D
Davej
Guest
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 9:06:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Sloman wrote:
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-whistleblowers-speak-out-vanish-2020-2?op=1
https://www.dw.com/en/chinese-tycoon-missing-after-criticizing-coronavirus-response/a-52780850
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51486106
Flyguy does like to make this claim. His evidence to support it comes
down to the observation that the Chinese government is wicked and
deceitful (like every other government on the planet) without anything
specific to suggest why they might be bothering to being deceitful on
this particular point.
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-whistleblowers-speak-out-vanish-2020-2?op=1
https://www.dw.com/en/chinese-tycoon-missing-after-criticizing-coronavirus-response/a-52780850
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51486106