Convert stereo to mono

[amdx]

I have a new internet radio that has a a stereo headphone jack.
I want to drive a single speaker with both channels.

Will I cause harm to the amplifiers if I just tie the outputs together
and use the that to drive the speaker?

OR

Do I need to add some resistors to isolate the amps from each other
before the speaker?

Thanks, Mikek

Hmm. I'm thinking headphone jacks often have series resistors to
limit headphone volume, is this right? The problem could ready be solved.

 

[amdx]

On 9/18/2011 10:19 AM, amdx wrote:

I have a new internet radio that has a a stereo headphone jack.
I want to drive a single speaker with both channels.

Will I cause harm to the amplifiers if I just tie the outputs together
and use the that to drive the speaker?

OR

Do I need to add some resistors to isolate the amps from each other
before the speaker?

Thanks, Mikek

Hmm. I'm thinking headphone jacks often have series resistors to
limit headphone volume, is this right? The problem could ready be solved.

I used 23 ohm resistors on each channel, but the volume is to low.

I shorted them to check the level, still to low.
I wanted to drive a pillow speaker from the headphone jack. The radio
has a line out and a headphone jack, but unless I open the radio and
modify the wiring to the internal speaker, I don't think I'll have
the power I need for a pillow speaker. The internal speaker has good
sound and volume.
I have the Tangent Quattro MKII internet radio. I've only had it a few
days but it is pretty neat to have 10,000 radio stations available with
no static.
Mikek

 

[Kaz Kylheku]

On 2011-09-18, amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote:

I have a new internet radio that has a a stereo headphone jack.
I want to drive a single speaker with both channels.

What is the impedance of the speaker? Headphones range from around 30
ohms to around 600 ohms, but loudspeakers can be way less. Is there a
published minimum impedance that can be driven by this device's
headphone jack?

Will I cause harm to the amplifiers if I just tie the outputs together
and use the that to drive the speaker?

It could.

If the amplifiers are playing nearly the same signal, there won't be an
issue because the output transistors will be at the same voltage. This
situation of tracking almost exactly the same voltage means that the
left output looks like a high impedance to the right one, and vice
versa.

The correct stress test for this is: what if the left and right signal
is quite different? For instance, complete silence in one channel and
loud music in the other. In this situation, the output device with
signal swings sees the silent one as a low impedance. This is like
asking it to drive a near-zero-ohm speaker. (Basic electronics: a
voltage source is a low impedance, and a perfect voltage source
is a zero impedance!)

So, in essence the common mode signal should mix to the speaker nicely,
but any differential signal faces a short circuit between the two
different voltages.

Even if this doesn't damage the output device, are you okay not hearing
much of the differential signal out of the speaker?

Do I need to add some resistors to isolate the amps from each other
before the speaker?

It's not a bad idea just from the consideration of the possible low
impedance of the speaker compared to headphones.

Both outputs should be separated from each other by at least the minimum
required load resistance so that means idnvidually coupling them to the
speaker through resistors which are at least half that resistance.

But remember since R will shunt any differential signal, but not common
mode signal, your differential signal is attenuated. The common mode
signal goes through R and the speaker, but the differential signal goes
through R, and then another R in parallel with the speaker.
This will work best if R is significantly larger than the speaker load,
in which case you take a lot of loss of volume across R.

The best approach is to feed the channels to another device which can
properly mix them, and re-amplify to a single speaker.

 

[Rich Grise]

amdx wrote:

On 9/18/2011 10:19 AM, amdx wrote:
I have a new internet radio that has a a stereo headphone jack.
I want to drive a single speaker with both channels.

Will I cause harm to the amplifiers if I just tie the outputs together
and use the that to drive the speaker?

OR

Do I need to add some resistors to isolate the amps from each other
before the speaker?

Thanks, Mikek

Hmm. I'm thinking headphone jacks often have series resistors to
limit headphone volume, is this right? The problem could ready be solved.

I used 23 ohm resistors on each channel, but the volume is to low.
I shorted them to check the level, still to low.
I wanted to drive a pillow speaker from the headphone jack.

Why not get two pillow speakers, and just set them next to each other?

Good Luck!
Rich

 

[whit3rd]

On Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:19:35 AM UTC-7, amdx wrote:

I have a new internet radio that has a a stereo headphone jack.
I want to drive a single speaker with both channels.

Will I cause harm to the amplifiers if I just tie the outputs together

Probably not harm (usually the power output to a headphone is
limited internally) but: if you connect the outputs in parallel,
the amplifiers 'fight' each other, creating distortion (not good).
If, on the other hand, you connect them in series (speaker from
L_out to R_out, leaving the 'ground' unconnected), the occasional mono
signal that comes out of the radio will result in zero speaker
output.

Usually, a 'blend' function of some sort is used to convert
stereo to mono, or one simply uses the L_output channel and
disregards the other. Check the controls or menus on the
radio to see if there's a 'mono output' option.

 

[Kaz Kylheku]

On 2011-09-18, amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote:

On 9/18/2011 10:19 AM, amdx wrote:
I have a new internet radio that has a a stereo headphone jack.
I want to drive a single speaker with both channels.

Will I cause harm to the amplifiers if I just tie the outputs together
and use the that to drive the speaker?

OR

Do I need to add some resistors to isolate the amps from each other
before the speaker?

Thanks, Mikek

Hmm. I'm thinking headphone jacks often have series resistors to
limit headphone volume, is this right? The problem could ready be solved.

I used 23 ohm resistors on each channel, but the volume is to low.
I shorted them to check the level, still to low.

The output clearly has no power to drive these speakers. The power
dissipation may be there on paper, but what you need is efficiency: to
move air. That speaker is not converting enough of the electrical energy
into sound decibels. Headphones also don't, but they are right next
to your ear!

I wanted to drive a pillow speaker from the headphone jack. The radio

That's silly; why don't you get two pillow speakers and have stereo.

Don't there exist powered pillow speakers?

There are all kinds of power speakers that are form-factored to work off
1/8" line out jacks.

Don't you have some old wall-wart-powered computer speakers lying
around? The might not fit under a pillow very well, but some
positioning arrangement could be negotiated with them.

has a line out and a headphone jack, but unless I open the radio and
modify the wiring to the internal speaker, I don't think I'll have
the power I need for a pillow speaker. The internal speaker has good
sound and volume.

It's very likely that there is a separate amplifier for that speaker.

Also, according to the specs on the website, the speaker is a neodymium
driver. A stronger magnet translates to a more sensitive speaker.

I have the Tangent Quattro MKII internet radio. I've only had it a few
days but it is pretty neat to have 10,000 radio stations available with
no static.

No static? Sure, if you don't count compression artifacts as "static".

Most sites will not provide quality, high bit rate streams, unless you pay for a
subscription, or you are willing to listen to tons of embedded ads.

 

[Jasen Betts]

On 2011-09-18, amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote:

Hmm. I'm thinking headphone jacks often have series resistors to
limit headphone volume, is this right?

sometimes. Sometimes they take feedback from the output terminal
and if you tie the two channels together you'll get distortion

The problem could ready be solved.

do you feel lucky.

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[amdx]

On 9/19/2011 3:10 AM, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2011-09-18, amdx<amdx@knology.net> wrote:

Hmm. I'm thinking headphone jacks often have series resistors to
limit headphone volume, is this right?

sometimes. Sometimes they take feedback from the output terminal
and if you tie the two channels together you'll get distortion

The problem could already be solved.

do you feel lucky.

Nope, I wasn't lucky, not enough power to drive an 8 ohm speaker

at (quite low) pillow speaker level.

I'll need to open it up and add a switched 1/8" mini plug jack
to the existing speaker circuit.
In the process voiding my 2 year parts and labor warranty.
Would be nice to be able to shut the display light off too.
It is menu adjustable, but even the lowest level is more light
than I want, during my beauty rest.
Mikek

 

[amdx]

On 9/18/2011 4:37 PM, Rich Grise wrote:

amdx wrote:

On 9/18/2011 10:19 AM, amdx wrote:
I have a new internet radio that has a a stereo headphone jack.
I want to drive a single speaker with both channels.

Will I cause harm to the amplifiers if I just tie the outputs together
and use the that to drive the speaker?

OR

Do I need to add some resistors to isolate the amps from each other
before the speaker?

Thanks, Mikek

Hmm. I'm thinking headphone jacks often have series resistors to
limit headphone volume, is this right? The problem could ready be solved.

I used 23 ohm resistors on each channel, but the volume is to low.
I shorted them to check the level, still to low.
I wanted to drive a pillow speaker from the headphone jack.

Why not get two pillow speakers, and just set them next to each other?

Good Luck!
Rich

Thanks Rich, but one speaker is enough to deal with, 99% of what

I listen to at night is talk radio, so a stereo signal is not real
important.
Mikek

 

[amdx]

On 9/18/2011 5:27 PM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:

On 2011-09-18, amdx<amdx@knology.net> wrote:
On 9/18/2011 10:19 AM, amdx wrote:
I have a new internet radio that has a a stereo headphone jack.
I want to drive a single speaker with both channels.

Will I cause harm to the amplifiers if I just tie the outputs together
and use the that to drive the speaker?

OR

Do I need to add some resistors to isolate the amps from each other
before the speaker?

Thanks, Mikek

Hmm. I'm thinking headphone jacks often have series resistors to
limit headphone volume, is this right? The problem could ready be solved.

I used 23 ohm resistors on each channel, but the volume is to low.
I shorted them to check the level, still to low.

The output clearly has no power to drive these speakers. The power
dissipation may be there on paper, but what you need is efficiency: to
move air. That speaker is not converting enough of the electrical energy
into sound decibels. Headphones also don't, but they are right next
to your ear!

I wanted to drive a pillow speaker from the headphone jack. The radio

That's silly; why don't you get two pillow speakers and have stereo.

Don't there exist powered pillow speakers?

There are all kinds of power speakers that are form-factored to work off
1/8" line out jacks.

Don't you have some old wall-wart-powered computer speakers lying
around? The might not fit under a pillow very well, but some
positioning arrangement could be negotiated with them.

has a line out and a headphone jack, but unless I open the radio and
modify the wiring to the internal speaker, I don't think I'll have
the power I need for a pillow speaker. The internal speaker has good
sound and volume.

It's very likely that there is a separate amplifier for that speaker.

Also, according to the specs on the website, the speaker is a neodymium
driver. A stronger magnet translates to a more sensitive speaker.

I have the Tangent Quattro MKII internet radio. I've only had it a few
days but it is pretty neat to have 10,000 radio stations available with
no static.

No static? Sure, if you don't count compression artifacts as "static".

Most sites will not provide quality, high bit rate streams, unless you pay for a
subscription, or you are willing to listen to tons of embedded ads.

I'm used to listening to AM stations at night with static and fading
as a constant, varying with the season. This audio is beautiful,
to me!
Regarding ads, so far everything I have programed in are commercial
broadcast stations, so yes tons of embedded ads, ideal bathroom breaks.
Mikek

 

[Kaz Kylheku]

On 2011-09-19, amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote:

I'm used to listening to AM stations at night with static and fading
as a constant, varying with the season. This audio is beautiful,
to me!

Okay, let's compare digital with ... AM.

 

[Rich Grise]

amdx wrote:

On 9/18/2011 4:37 PM, Rich Grise wrote:

Why not get two pillow speakers, and just set them next to each other?

Thanks Rich, but one speaker is enough to deal with, 99% of what
I listen to at night is talk radio, so a stereo signal is not real
important.

Oh, heck! If it's just talk, then just use one channel and ignore the
other one - no parts, done. (Use a stereo plug, and just connect up
one of the active lines. The other one will have no load, so draw only
standby current.)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise]

amdx wrote:

Would be nice to be able to shut the display light off too.
It is menu adjustable, but even the lowest level is more light
than I want, during my beauty rest.

Masking tape? ;-)

Have Fun!
Rich

 

[amdx]

On 9/19/2011 5:37 PM, Rich Grise wrote:

amdx wrote:

Would be nice to be able to shut the display light off too.
It is menu adjustable, but even the lowest level is more light
than I want, during my beauty rest.

Masking tape? ;-)

Have Fun!
Rich

I made a cardboard flap with a magnet embedded between layers.

The magnet holds the flap to the speaker grill on the top of the radio,
and it hangs down over the display. I can lift and slide it a bit when I
want use the display. Not the the first one I've made, did this for my
Icom R-71A also. Hmm.. also a Chrysler car radio, is it silly to have
three radios at your bedside? Don't ask my wife!
I have now installed a (switched) speaker output jack, on the internet
radio (Quattro Tangent) and all is good.
I see a lack of motivation to build AM Band antennas in my future :-(
Mikek

 

[Rich Grise]

amdx wrote:

On 9/19/2011 5:37 PM, Rich Grise wrote:
amdx wrote:

Would be nice to be able to shut the display light off too.
It is menu adjustable, but even the lowest level is more light
than I want, during my beauty rest.

Masking tape? ;-)

I made a cardboard flap with a magnet embedded between layers.
The magnet holds the flap to the speaker grill on the top of the radio,
and it hangs down over the display. I can lift and slide it a bit when I
want use the display. Not the the first one I've made, did this for my
Icom R-71A also. Hmm.. also a Chrysler car radio, is it silly to have
three radios at your bedside? Don't ask my wife!

Tune one to Myron Floren music, the second one to Dick Contino music,
and the third to Florian ZaBach music; play them simultaneously while
making love. =:-O

Have Fun!
Rich