Christmas vs "Holidays"

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The secularists have been chipping away at the word Christmas for a number
of years now and are substituting irrelevant (religious ??) concoctions to
diminish the value of the celebration of the birth of Christ. Isn't it time
we begin boycotting those merchants who in their TV advertising are
exploiting the Christmas tradition yet not acknowledging that this is truly
the Christmas season. The code word "holiday" season is coming into
increasing use in an effort to minimize the influence the Truths that were
taught by the Prince of Peace.
 
jsmith posted:

<< The secularists have been chipping away at the word Christmas for a number
of years now and are substituting irrelevant (religious ??) concoctions to
diminish the value of the celebration of the birth of Christ.
Maybe it's because there is more to celebrate than just Christmas.

Isn't it time we begin boycotting those merchants who in their TV advertising
are
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exploiting the Christmas tradition yet not acknowledging that this is truly the
Christmas season.
I don't believe that's a good idea, but you may do that if you wish. There
*is* more going on than Christmas.


The code word "holiday" season is coming into
increasing use in an effort to minimize the influence the Truths that were
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taught by the Prince of Peace.
That's a very narrow minded view of the holiday season. Why do you believe it
is singularly to minimize your "Truths?"

Do you suppose "holiday season" could be a reasonable term for that time of
year for celebrating both Christmas *and* Hanukah?

There may be other reasons to celebrate the season.... Let's see, there's my
daughter's birthday, and.... feel free to add something.

Don
 
"jsmith" <juddo@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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I think none of this is relevant to Genealogy.

Conversation on ignore.
 
jsmith wrote:

Isn't it time we begin boycotting those merchants who in
their TV advertising are exploiting the Christmas tradition yet not
acknowledging that this is truly the Christmas season. The code word
"holiday" season is coming into increasing use in an effort to
minimize the influence the Truths that were taught by the Prince of
Peace.
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The Nazis were writing on the window-shops of Jews:
"Kauft nicht bei Juden".
Go to hell, you will meet your chauvinist friends there.
--
ciao Ban
Bordighera, Italy
 
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:32:01 -0500, "jsmith" <juddo@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

The secularists have been chipping away at the word Christmas for a number
of years now and are substituting irrelevant (religious ??) concoctions to
diminish the value of the celebration of the birth of Christ. Isn't it time
we begin boycotting those merchants who in their TV advertising are
exploiting the Christmas tradition yet not acknowledging that this is truly
the Christmas season. The code word "holiday" season is coming into
increasing use in an effort to minimize the influence the Truths that were
taught by the Prince of Peace.
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Your message was off-topic in all the groups where you posted it.

Stay indoors after the sun comes up, lest you turn to stone.


--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that Dbowey <dbowey@aol.com> wrote (in
<20041214225921.11831.00001918@mb-m16.aol.com>) about '(OFF TOPIC)
Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Wed, 15 Dec 2004:
Do you suppose "holiday season" could be a reasonable term for that time
of year for celebrating both Christmas *and* Hanukah?

There may be other reasons to celebrate the season.... Let's see,
there's my daughter's birthday, and.... feel free to add something.
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Celebrating the winter solstice is something far older than
Christianity. Practically every religion, and some belief systems that
would not want to be called religions, acknowledges this crux in the
cycle of seasons.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that Mac <foo@bar.net> wrote (in
<pan.2004.12.15.07.04.51.248470@bar.net>) about '(OFF TOPIC) Christmas
vs "Holidays"', on Wed, 15 Dec 2004:

I'm just happy that the days will soon be getting longer instead of
shorter up here in the northern hemisphere.

I hate getting out of bed at 7:00am and seeing that the sky is still
dark.
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Yes, and food for your remaining cattle and sheep has run out, so you
need to have a feast in order to eat them before they spoil.(;-)
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
jsmith wrote:
The secularists have been chipping away at the word Christmas for a number
of years now and are substituting irrelevant (religious ??) concoctions to
diminish the value of the celebration of the birth of Christ.
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Keep your sticky fingers off our Yule. We (humans) were celebrating the
Winter Solstice thousands of years before you traduced the teachings of
Bar Yussuf.

Might be the last one this time though. We can't find any virgins in the
village this year, so the sun might never come back...

Paul Burke
 
"jsmith" <juddo@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:1103081068.f4c58340a6a4fb6c079c5594718575bc@sonicnews...
The secularists have been chipping away at the word Christmas for a number
of years now and are substituting irrelevant (religious ??) concoctions to
diminish the value of the celebration of the birth of Christ. Isn't it
time
we begin boycotting those merchants who in their TV advertising are
exploiting the Christmas tradition yet not acknowledging that this is
truly
the Christmas season. The code word "holiday" season is coming into
increasing use in an effort to minimize the influence the Truths that were
taught by the Prince of Peace.
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And a Happy Winter Solstice to you!

Or as we learned in high school Latin: Io Saturnalia!
 
"Dbowey" <dbowey@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041214225921.11831.00001918@mb-m16.aol.com...
jsmith posted:

The secularists have been chipping away at the word Christmas for a
number
of years now and are substituting irrelevant (religious ??) concoctions to
diminish the value of the celebration of the birth of Christ.


Maybe it's because there is more to celebrate than just Christmas.
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The main thing to celebrate is having 1 or 2 weeks off work and/or school.
 
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 07:10:53 +0000, John Woodgate
<jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

Celebrating the winter solstice is something far older than
Christianity. Practically every religion, and some belief systems that
would not want to be called religions, acknowledges this crux in the
cycle of seasons.
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For example, Wicca I hear celebrates Yule on the 21st. In fact, I think I heard
somewhere that the idea of Yule logs, kissing under Mistletoe, and tree
decorating and gift giving (both part of the Roman festival of Saturnalia) all
predate and were incorporated by Christians through their exposure to pagan
rituals and celebrations. I suspect that if you stripped anything that wasn't
strictly Christian from Christmas you'd have almost nothing left of it except
perhaps the Christian practice of their "benevolence towards strangers" and
"moral character, even if pretended" as Emperor Julian described them.

Jon
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that Jonathan Kirwan
<jkirwan@easystreet.com> wrote (in <bd00s01lb6nmourrhq24daarfp0g8l7b4v@4
ax.com>) about '(OFF TOPIC) Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Wed, 15 Dec
2004:
except perhaps the Christian practice of
their "benevolence towards strangers"
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That's not an exclusive feature of Christianity by any means, and is all
too seldom practised by Christians these days.

and "moral character, even if
pretended" as Emperor Julian described them.
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Old Jules was about right, there. Far too many whited sepulchres.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that Paul Burke <paul@scazon.com> wrote
(in <32abp9F3ikr78U2@individual.net>) about 'Christmas vs "Holidays"',
on Wed, 15 Dec 2004:

We can't find any virgins in the
village this year, so the sun might never come back...
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You have to go to the maternity hospital.

Think about it.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
<wrongaddress@att.net> wrote in message
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People always adopt local traditions, holidays and pagents
as their own. Get over it and enjoy the holidays

So, how come the salvation army bell ringers are not ringing the bell
at Target stores and the local post office this year?
.
How will we give to the poor if nobody is ringing the bell?

-Bill
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There are any number of HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of local, national, and
international charities that cater to the poor. Do a google search.
 
"A&T" <antri@noearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:gjPvd.844$gt3.396@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
We aren't sure when Christ was born, but we celebrate in on December 25.

I wish the people who still believe that Christ was born (whenever it was)
would revolt against the people trying to take it away from us.

Tricia
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Only because Constantine arbitrarilly choose that date to compete with a
pre-existing Roman Holiday, Saturnus, or Saturnella.
 
Phyllis wrote:
Since December 25th is celebrated as Christmas, those who don't believe
in it or in celebrating it should not accept the day off and the holiday
pay that goes with it.
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We'll celebrate what the bloody hell we like, kid. It's been Xmas for
the last 50 years that I know of, Yule logs on sale in the baker's
(thta's an echo of the fire we burned the sacrificed virgin in the days
when we could find them) and I'd like to see you giving up New Year as a
purely Scottish holiday.

Fact 1- Bar Yussuf was NOT born on 25th December 0 AD. For several
reasons I can't be bothered going into here.

Fact 2- If the American Baptists had any honesty to their OWN religious
traditions, they would celebrate Christmas by going to work normally and
avoiding the food and jollity banned by the English Puritan Oliver
Cromwell. Christmas is Arminian (or Roman of course).

Paul Burke
 
Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:

"jsmith" <juddo@ix.netcom.com> wrote


chipping away at ... Christmas ... substituting ... shopping


I am indeed sick of it. If I hear 'Frosty the Snowman' and
or anything else out of tin-pan alley when I go grocery shopping
I will scream. The commercial crud may force me into going to
the Kosher butcher at Christmas.

But, that's what one gets for trying to get a free ride by
tacking Christmas on the back of Winter Solstice. One always
pays in the end. Was Christmas<>Solstice another one of Paul's
idiot ideas or was it Nicea?
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Xians don't seem to have any sacred dates of their own so they hijack those of
whatever pagans lands they invade.

Anyone would think that their most sacred time of year, when JC rose from the
dead, would not be named after the Goddess of fertility Oestre with her symbols
the egg and rabbit.

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org
 
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:44:48 -0500, Phyllis wrote:

Since December 25th is celebrated as Christmas, those who don't believe
in it or in celebrating it should not accept the day off and the holiday
pay that goes with it.
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LOL This year it's on Saturday but I get your point.
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that pfriedmanNoSpam <p.paulfriedmanNoS
pam@comcast.net> wrote (in <kqednbPCrJ8g7F3cRVn-ow@comcast.com>) about
'Christmas vs "Holidays"', on Wed, 15 Dec 2004:

So, ya, The Feast of Saturn might have had something to do with the
Christians picking 25 December, but I would wager that they saw
Mithraism's festivals and trappings as a more important and tempting
target.
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By the standards of the time, Mithras was quite a benign god, too.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
In article <41C06A00.2040608@buckeye-express.com>,
phyllisnilsson@buckeye-express.com says...
Since December 25th is celebrated as Christmas, those who don't believe
in it or in celebrating it should not accept the day off and the holiday
pay that goes with it.
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No problem this year or next.... I'm celebrating the 24th and I'll
take my day off and vacation pay then. ;-)

--
Keith
 
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