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[turtoni]

On May 23, 7:02 pm, Bret_E_Cah...@yahoo.com wrote:

Online communication can wonderfully liberate the tender soul of some
well-meaning personage who, for whatever reason, is physically
uncharismatic.

If you include grossly obese folk -- I know I would --, then that's
30% of Americans.

There is little question high volume newsgroups posters will have an
even higher obesity rate, just as red states generally have higher
obesity rates than blue states.

Getting these folk and the spree shooters off the street is one of the
greatest benefits of the info age.

Unfortunately, online communication also fertilizes the
eccentricities of hopeless cranks, who at last find themselves in firm
possession of a wondrous soapbox that the Trilateral Commission and
the Men In Black had previously denied them."

What's the down side?

If you don't don't like crank posts, then don't click on them.

If you want to save others from being misled by crank posts [read: if
you are daydreaming about censorship], well, you might as well
daydream about perpetual motion machines and the Masons having some
kind of extraordinary political power.

To be more blunt:

If you don't just accept freedom of communication but _embrace_ free
speech for all including every wacko on the planet, you are bat crap
insane.

Online cranks are individuals and unlike groups like creationists or
gun nutters, they occasionally provide an opportunity to educate the
general public.

A related problem, probably due to the recession, is many posters are
in pretend land.

A few months ago some cranks on sci.electronics.basics were pretending
they had a tech background. One dunce, posting under the name John
Fields, claimed he had a money making patent but he was too modest to
give the patent number.

An inventor search of "John Fields" -- something the dunce could have
done himself -- brought up zero hits onhttp://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html.

Another crank was pretending he was involved in $200 million worth of
circuit design business yet claimed there was no mention of himself in
the public record.

I told him, "hey, buddy, if you ain't in the public record, you ain't
moving no dough. What you are telling us isn't just implausible or
incredible, but impossible."

Another crank claimed that computer cards, like those on the 2nd
crank's web page, were a "niche market."

He then made some idle threats to sue for defamation but soon back
peddaled.

Again, cranks provide an opportunity to educate the general public.

Embrace free speech, don't daydream about censorship.

Bret Cahill

True but like you, showing them up likely at least gives them pause
for thought before spamming the group with utter nonsense if people
are going to call them out on it. At least for the ones that are mild
cranks.

Science, political conspiracy and other cranks aren't completely
dysfunctional.  A lone crank just isn't a threat to anything.  As
Nietzsche said, "insanity is rare in individuals but it is the norm in
peoples, movements and ages."

Bret Cahill

Heh, nice quote.

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 23 May 2009 09:44:36 -0700 (PDT), Bret_E_Cahill@yahoo.com
wrote:

Online communication can wonderfully liberate the tender soul of some
well-meaning personage who, for whatever reason, is physically
uncharismatic.

If you include grossly obese folk -- I know I would --, then that's
30% of Americans.

There is little question high volume newsgroups posters will have an
even higher obesity rate, just as red states generally have higher
obesity rates than blue states.

Getting these folk and the spree shooters off the street is one of the
greatest benefits of the info age.

Unfortunately, online communication also fertilizes the
eccentricities of hopeless cranks, who at last find themselves in firm
possession of a wondrous soapbox that the Trilateral Commission and
the Men In Black had previously denied them."

What's the down side?

If you don't don't like crank posts, then don't click on them.

If you want to save others from being misled by crank posts [read: if
you are daydreaming about censorship], well, you might as well
daydream about perpetual motion machines and the Masons having some
kind of extraordinary political power.

To be more blunt:

If you don't just accept freedom of communication but _embrace_ free
speech for all including every wacko on the planet, you are bat crap
insane.

Online cranks are individuals and unlike groups like creationists or
gun nutters, they occasionally provide an opportunity to educate the
general public.

A related problem, probably due to the recession, is many posters are
in pretend land.

A few months ago some cranks on sci.electronics.basics were pretending
they had a tech background. One dunce, posting under the name John
Fields, claimed he had a money making patent but he was too modest to
give the patent number.

An inventor search of "John Fields" -- something the dunce could have
done himself -- brought up zero hits on http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html.

Another crank was pretending he was involved in $200 million worth of
circuit design business yet claimed there was no mention of himself in
the public record.

Hey, I just discovered that I have a patent!

http://www.google.com/patents?id=MNd3AAAAEBAJ&dq=7019307

Does that mean I actually exist?

Of course, I haven't made any money off this patent. I suspect that a
small minority of patents actually make money. At least it didn't cost
me anything to file.

Of course I also have my share of fatheaded press release
management-speak...

http://news.thomasnet.com/companystory/475509

but, for the record, somebody made up that quote for me. I don't
actually talk like that.

And I did a poster once!

http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ptti/ptti99/abstracts.html


But I don't understand your conflation of fame and fortune. If I had
no public record I'd have designed just as much electronics. Signing
off drawings is hardly American Idol stuff.

John

 

The patent's there, for sure,

Sure it is.

We all agree with you.

: - )

(I just looked it up)

It's good to double check them things. Ya never know when a patent
will disappear into thin air.

and my name's on it,

Yes we know.

as big as life,

We all know it's "as big as life."


Bret Cahill

 

Of course, I haven't made any money off this patent.

You could knock me over with a feather.

.. . .

But I don't understand your conflation of fame and fortune.

No one here ever suggested fame implies fortune or even that fortune
implies fame.

All I said was that it is impossible to keep out of the public record
if you are moving significant amounts of money.

If I had
no public record I'd have designed just as much electronics.

But that's not the issue.

The issue is, is it possible to move $200 million and stay out of the
public record.

The answer to that is no.

Every drug lord in Juarez would give his left nut to be able to move
$200 _thousand_ dollars without attracting public attention.


Bret Cahill

 

Science, political conspiracy and other cranks aren't completely
dysfunctional. �A lone crank just isn't a threat to anything.

Timothy McVeigh and Charles Manson, among others, serve to refute your
claim.

The issue was lone newsgroups posting cranks trying to pitch suspect
theories.

Neither McVeigh nor Manson were,

1. acting alone,

2. neither were selling theories, suspect or otherwise, and,

3. neither were newsgroups posters.


Bret Cahill

 

[John Fields]

On Sat, 23 May 2009 23:57:48 -0700 (PDT), Bret_E_Cahill@yahoo.com wrote:

Science, political conspiracy and other cranks aren't completely
dysfunctional. ?A lone crank just isn't a threat to anything.

Timothy McVeigh and Charles Manson, among others, serve to refute your
claim.

The issue was lone newsgroups posting cranks trying to pitch suspect
theories.

---
What I questioned was your general statement:

"Science, political conspiracy and other cranks aren't completely
dysfunctional. A lone crank just isn't a threat to anything."

If what you meant was:

"Science, political conspiracy and other cranks who post to newsgroups
aren't completely dysfunctional. A lone crank just isn't a threat to
anything."

Then that's what you should have said.
---

Neither McVeigh nor Manson were,

1. acting alone,

---
From:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

"You can't handle the truth. Because the truth is, I blew up the Murrah
Building, and isn't it kind of scary that one man could wreak this kind
of hell?"
---

2. neither were selling theories, suspect or otherwise, and,

---
"The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to
have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns,
you can do anything to the people. You give them an inch and they take a
mile. I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The
government is continually growing bigger and more powerful, and the
people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control."
---

3 neither were newsgroups posters.

---
No one said they were.

If you want examples of newsgroup cranks who pose threats then I suggest
that there are some cranks on USENET who plan their nefarious deeds and
then execute them through the use of chat rooms and the like.


JF

 

[John Fields]

On Sat, 23 May 2009 23:08:31 -0700 (PDT), Bret_E_Cahill@yahoo.com wrote:

The patent's there, for sure,

Sure it is.

We all agree with you.

---
"We"???

Since when do _you_ speak for the group?
---

: - )

(I just looked it up)

It's good to double check them things. Ya never know when a patent
will disappear into thin air.

and my name's on it,

Yes we know.

as big as life,

We all know it's "as big as life."

---
There ya go again...

JF

 

[John Larkin]

On Sat, 23 May 2009 23:42:11 -0700 (PDT), Bret_E_Cahill@yahoo.com
wrote:

Of course, I haven't made any money off this patent.

You could knock me over with a feather.

You did claim *no* public record.

. . .

But I don't understand your conflation of fame and fortune.

No one here ever suggested fame implies fortune or even that fortune
implies fame.

All I said was that it is impossible to keep out of the public record
if you are moving significant amounts of money.

I'm in lots of public records, like corporate registrations and such.
Not easy to google, though. I'm not named in any court records, by
choice.

If I had
no public record I'd have designed just as much electronics.

But that's not the issue.

The issue is, is it possible to move $200 million and stay out of the
public record.

What I said - you can check - is that I've designed about $200e6 worth
of electronics. I'm sure lots of engineers have. You could design,
say, an engine controller that sells millions of units, and the public
would never knew you did it and wouldn't have any way to find out.

Most of what I did was marine and pipeline automation stuff,
scientific instrumentation of late. Hardly the stuff of fame.

Of course if you make your money by appearing in lawsuits, there will
be public records.

The answer to that is no.

Every drug lord in Juarez would give his left nut to be able to move
$200 _thousand_ dollars without attracting public attention.

OK, name the heads of the five largest heroin processing
organizations.

John

 

This is a useful exercise in critical thinking:

...who at last find themselves in firm
possession of a wondrous soapbox that the Trilateral Commission and the
Men In Black had previously denied them."

Like the way most of this infers science up until this last which then
opens it up to politics.

Trying to "mainstream" oneself by associating / quoting famous
scientists or other thinkers is a common business scam. That tactic
is also used a lot in political propaganda.

Global warming deniers like to start off quoting Einstein. When you
get to the "merits" you realize it has nothing to do with the quotes
which immediately pegs the author as a fraud.

A real scientist ain't gonna toss in some irrelevant quotes in a
serious paper for the hell of it.

Creationists also use similarly disreputable tactics.

How long has this been in Wiki?

Since the election?

JayeEEEesus may be teiing the fundies to spam Wiki.

Any philosopher who also is a 'popular' author who then studies fads
seems pretty dodgy to me.

Especially if he is not-so-tacitly admitting that he cannot even
compete against cranks in the marketplace of ideas.

That's the most incredible aspect to the article.

How _low_ must your self esteem be to admit that?

Of course, calling someone a name immediately implies the accuser is
above the same accusation.

That's hard to believe when he tacitly admits he cannot compete
against cranks in the marketplace of ideas.


Bret Cahill


"Only nobodies are ever modest."

-- Goethe

 

[iman islam]

On 23 ăÇíć, 23:04, whit3rd <whit...@gmail.com> wrote:

On May 22, 10:15 am, Bret_E_Cah...@yahoo.com wrote:

Is there anything like an electronic -- not necessarily digital --
dial indicator that provides acceleration as well as deflection every
few milliseconds?

Well, yes; a kind of linear motor can be connected as a generator,
and the output voltage is proportional to velocity.  Finding
acceleration from velocity is a simple one-op-amp circuit.
Old CD players used such linear motors for tracking, about 2" range.

Better still, would be something that already divides the distance
measurement by the acceleration.

Why?

Best of all would be something like a strain gage circuit.

Alas, strain gages are complex, it can take five of 'em and
some clever math to (for  instance) find the force on a single-point
tool.  Torques and lateral forces all act separately, and a
separate treatment is often required.  The pylon of a
wind tunnel is a good well documented application of
strain gage metrology.

Levels of Islam
August 29th, 2008
I know that my article is not related to this group ,but it might be
useful. PLEASE read it.

Levels of Islam

Islam consists of three levels, each building upon the lower ones.
They are:
1) Islam:
Testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the
messenger of Allah
Establish the daily prayers
Pay Zakat (Obligatory charity due the poor)
Observe the fast of Ramadan
Perform pilgrimage to the Ka’aba (in Makkah ) once in your life if you
are able
2) Faith (Iman):
To believe in Allah
To believe in His angels
To believe in His Books (Scriptures)
To believe in His Messengers
To believe in the Day of Judgment
To believe in the Divine Decree (Divine fate) whether good or evil
3) Excellence/Goodness (Ihsan )

To worship Allah (God) as if you see Him, for if you can not see Him,
He assuredly sees you.

In Sahih Muslim, Abdullah ibn Umar ibn al-Khattab narrated:

"My father, Umar ibn al-Khattab, told me: One day we were sitting in
the company of Allah’s Apostle (pbuh) when there appeared before us a
man dressed in pure white clothes, his hair was extraordinarily black.
There were no signs of travel on him, but none among us recognized
him.

This man came and sat beside the Apostle (pbuh) kneeling before him
and placing his palms on his thighs. He then said: Muhammad, inform me
about al-Islam.

The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: Islam implies that you testify
that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the messenger of
Allah, and you establish prayer, pay Zakat, observe the fast of
Ramadan, and perform pilgrimage to the (House) if you are solvent
enough (to bear the expense of) the journey.

He (the inquirer) said: You have told the truth.

He (Umar ibn al-Khattab) said: It amazed us that he would put the
question and then he would himself verify the truth.

He (the inquirer) said: Inform me about Iman (faith). He (the Holy
Prophet) replied: That you affirm your faith in Allah, in His angels,
in His Books, in His Apostles, in the Day of Judgment, and you affirm
your faith in the Divine Decree, either good and evil.

He (the inquirer) said: You have told the truth. He (the inquirer)
again said: Inform me about al-Ihsan (performance of good deeds).

He (the Holy Prophet) said: That you worship Allah as if you are
seeing Him, for though you don’t see Him, He, verily, sees you. He
(the inquirer) again said: Inform me about the hour (of the
judgment).

He (the Holy Prophet) remarked: The one who is asked knows no more
than the one who is inquiring (about it).

He (the inquirer) said: Tell me some of its indications.

He (the Holy Prophet) said: That the slave-girl will give birth to her
mistress and master, and that you will find barefooted, destitute goat-
herders vying with one another in the construction of magnificent
buildings.

He (the narrator, Umar ibn al-Khattab) said: Then he (the inquirer)
went on his way but I stayed with the messenger of Allah for a long
while. The prophet Muhammad then, said to me: Umar, do you know who
this inquirer was? I replied: Allah and His Apostle know best.

He (the Holy Prophet) remarked: He was Gabriel (the angel). He came to
you in order to instruct you in your religion."


For more information about Islam

http://english.islamway.com/

http://www.islamhouse.com/

Contact Us At

Imanway.group@gmail.com

 

[Sjouke Burry]

iman islam wrote:

On 23 ăÇíć, 23:04, whit3rd <whit...@gmail.com> wrote:

Warning!! Creepy creep is shitting on the islam again!!

 

[Rich Grise]

On Sat, 23 May 2009 09:44:36 -0700, Bret_E_Cahill wrote:

<the usual crap>

The best censor is the "plonk" button.

Hope This Helps!
Rich

 

[iman islam]

On 26 مايو, 17:38, Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulf...@ppllaanneett.nnll>
wrote:

iman islam wrote:
On 23 ãÇíæ, 23:04, whit3rd <whit...@gmail.com> wrote:

Warning!! Creepy creep is shitting on the islam again!!

What Are The Pillars of Islam?
August 29th, 2008
What you are about to read might sound unusual but it could be very
enlightened.


What Are The Pillars of Islam?

Islam is built upon five major pillars. A Muslim is taught that anyone
who dies observing these five basic pillars will enter heaven. As
mentioned, they are:

(1) To bear witness that there is no entity worthy of worship except
Allah(God) alone, and that Muhammad (pbuh) was His messenger. This
establishes obedience to God Almighty alone.

(2) To perform five prescribed prayers to God every day according to a
specific prescribed method and at specific prescribed times. This
continually reminds us to bear God in mind in all actions, either
before or after any given prayer.

(3) To pay two and a half percent (2.5%) of ones wealth to charity
every year if their savings exceed a certain minimum level which is
considered above the poverty level. (This is the basic concept, the
actual calculation is a little more complex).

(4) To fast the month of Ramadhan (from the Islamic Lunar calendar)
every year from sun rise until sunset. This involves not eating,
drinking, or having marital relations, from sun rise until sun set.

(5) To perform a pilgrimage to Makkah (in the Arabian Peninsula) once
in a Muslim’s lifetime if it is financially possible and their health
permits. During this period, Muslims come from all over the world to
join together for six days in a prescribed set of acts of worship. All
Muslim men are mandated to wear the same garment which was designed to
be very plain, simple, and cheap to obtain.

Mu’ad ibn Jabal said: I said to Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him):
Inform me about an act which would entitle me to enter into Paradise,
and distance me from the Hell-Fire. He (the Prophet) said:

"You have asked me about a matter [which ostensibly appears to be]
difficult but it is easy for those for whom Allah, the Exalted, has
made it easy. Worship Allah and do not associate anything with him,
establish prayer, pay the Zakat, observe the fast of Ramadhan and
perform Hajj to the House (Ka’aba)." (Narrated by Ahmed, al-Tirmathy,
and ibn Majah)


======
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http://english.islamway.com/

http://www.islamhouse.com/

http://www.discoverislam.com/

http://www.islambasics.com/index.php

http://english.islamway.com/

http://www.islamtoday.net/english/

http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/MainPage/indexe.php

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[N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)]

"iman islam" <imanway2010@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:19e645d5-5d9f-440a-ae6d-878ff3c50890@z5g2000vba.googlegroups.com...

Off topic posting, in violation of this newsgroup's charter.

Isn't that a sin, in any religion?

David A. Smith

 

[beth]

Uncle Al wrote:

GreenXenon wrote:
Hi:

Please don’t get upset at me.

Uncrate another new bullshit meter.

4mA 20mA setpoint

Intellect smart stupid 6
Education informed uninformed 6
Ambition motivated lazy 6

 

[Jerry Avins]

GreenXenon wrote:

...

If 1.602 × 10^-19 volt is too small, then what is the smallest
physically-possible voltage that can be detected or processed given
the state of today's technology?

First learn the difference between an electron-volt and a volt. Then
explain why your question happens to assume a voltage that is
numerically equal to the charge on an electron. An answer to your
question will make more sense to you if you can do that. Asi it is,
you're just using words that you don't understand to imply assertions
that aren't valid.

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Jerry Avins wrote:

GreenXenon wrote:

...

If 1.602 × 10^-19 volt is too small, then what is the smallest
physically-possible voltage that can be detected or processed given
the state of today's technology?

First learn the difference between an electron-volt and a volt. Then
explain why your question happens to assume a voltage that is
numerically equal to the charge on an electron. An answer to your
question will make more sense to you if you can do that. Asi it is,
you're just using words that you don't understand to imply assertions
that aren't valid.

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ

Please don't feed the 'Radium' troll.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense!

 

In sci.physics GreenXenon <glucegen1x@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jun 1, 7:34 am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:


First learn the difference between an electron-volt and a volt. Then
explain why your question happens to assume a voltage that is
numerically equal to the charge on an electron. An answer to your
question will make more sense to you if you can do that. Asi it is,
you're just using words that you don't understand to imply assertions
that aren't valid.


Ok. What is the smallest physically-possible voltage that can be
detected or processed given
the state of today's technology?

The maximum voltage I prefer is 0.56 because that is the max one can
get *without*:

1. Exceeding the dielectric strength of any electronic component

2. Generating temperatures above 70 Fahrenheit in any electronic
component

0.56 volts at 1000 amp equals 560 watts, which will get most anything
warmer than 70 F.

Babbling, trolling idiot.

--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

 

[GreenXenon]

On Jun 1, 7:34 am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:

First learn the difference between an electron-volt and a volt. Then
explain why your question happens to assume a voltage that is
numerically equal to the charge on an electron. An answer to your
question will make more sense to you if you can do that. Asi it is,
you're just using words that you don't understand to imply assertions
that aren't valid.

Ok. What is the smallest physically-possible voltage that can be
detected or processed given
the state of today's technology?

The maximum voltage I prefer is 0.56 because that is the max one can
get *without*:

1. Exceeding the dielectric strength of any electronic component

2. Generating temperatures above 70 Fahrenheit in any electronic
component

3. Ionizing any electronic component

 

[Charles Perry]

"GreenXenon" <glucegen1x@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2136338b-e3a1-4ae9-892f-7d619da3ded7@h23g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...

On Jun 1, 10:30 am, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:


0.56 volts at 1000 amp equals 560 watts, which will get most anything
warmer than 70 F.


What is the highest-wattage that won't raise the temperature of
anything beyond 70 Fahrenheit?

Easy. If the background temperature is 70 F, then 0 Watts.

Charles Perry P.E.