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On Apr 10, 2:06 pm, Anonymous <nob...@nymu.eu> wrote:

Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?
Let's talk about the Oil and transport problem.
And lets use truth rather than idiocy or agenda, OK?

1. Oil is a great high energy density fuel but is in finite supply.
2. Oil is a WONDERFUL raw material for certain chemicals including
plastics & fertilizers necessary for food production.
3. Burning your chemical raw materials or burning food for energy is
truly stupid unless you have no choice.
4. There are a GREAT many more years of coal left (also finite) than
of oil.
5. Liberal pie in the sky schemes like windmills, biofuels, solar
cells, and other idiocies CANNOT produce enough energy to replace oil
or coal using present or foreseeable technologies.
6. Spending money on unworkable schemes simply wastes money needed for
workable ones and dooms us all!
7. Most electricity is generated by coal or nuclear power.
8. Switching to electric cars automatically switches your
transportation fuel from oil to coal.
9. The problem with electricity is that coal is very dirty and spews
LOTS of nasty crap when burned.
10. The problem with electric cars is that battery technology is not
developed enough. Too heavy. Too short a life.
11. The Left Wing answer is always "light rail" They favor it because
individual automobiles represent personal freedom.
12. "Light Rail" was the major means of transport before the
automobile.
13. The personal freedom of the auto closed nearly all of it down.
14. History shows that even with public transport infrastructure
changes are a huge money grabbing scam: See Below*
15. In spite of shortcomings, electric cars work well for short trips.
16. For most of us, most driving is to work and is a short trip and
our usual daily driving.
17. This means electric cars are a major portion of the solution to
the energy problem.
18. CO2 does NOT cause global warming and is a political lie/scam.
19. Only two problems thus prevent solution of the energy
"crisis" (it's not a crisis!)
20. Cleaning Coal burning in power plants (which does NOT include the
hideous & expensive ideas to strip CO2)
21. Improving battery capacity and life. (better driving and portable
drills through chemistry!)
22. Reason, Logic and Science solve the problem stalled so far by
illogic, stupidity, political agenda and criminal greed.

Obviously viewed this way, it is a logical and very good start to the
solution to energy, pollution, and transportation problems. Only long
distance travel then remains to solve. And there is plenty of natural
gas that could be used for that. Note our local gas company has been
driving all their vehicles on low-pollution natural gas for YEARS! So
why not do it? Well, first we'd have to kill all the stupid do-gooder
liberals now standing in the way of reason and second, we have to kill
all the greedy politicians and industrialists hoping to scam billions
from the "carbon" fraud. But other than that, there's no problem.
What? You want me to draw you a PICTURE or something?

----------
*Originally most large Cities had electric streetcars. Cheap,
efficient, and infrastructure already in place. GM (who made IC
busses) bought all the street car lines from the cities. Then
proceeded to scrap all the electric streetcars and install their
smelly buses. Taken to court for the fraud they were found guilty and
fined $35 dollars. Expect the same from "slot car" makers.
 
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 12:32:06 -0700, Benj wrote:

5. Liberal pie in the sky schemes like windmills, biofuels, solar
cells, and other idiocies CANNOT produce enough energy to replace oil
or coal using present or foreseeable technologies.
Sure they can. You just need to invest a comparable level of capital that
to that which has been invested in fossil fuels.

There are a lot of problems with using alternative energy sources for
transport, but generating the energy isn't one of them. For everything
except biofuels, you need new vehicles and new fuelling infrastructure.

And that presents a chicken-and-egg problem. No-one is going to start
seriously producing electric/hydrogen/whatever vehicles when there's
nowhere to refuel, and no-one will build infrastructure until there's a
critical mass of customers.
 
Michael Price wrote:
On Apr 10, 1:55 pm, Borked Pseudo Mailed <nob...@pseudo.borked.net
wrote:
1. To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway." Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2. Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?

These guys, BetterPlace . comhttp://www.betterplace.com/
have a different model to spread the use of EVs, the Cell Phone
model. Charge very little for the cars themselves but charge
for "miles". Owners don't even have to worry about the batteries.
In the BetterPlace model, the company keeps the batteries and
swaps them out, as needed. If new battery technology comes along,
BetterPlace buys them and you get one popped in at your next fillup.

Another key part of their model is to install infrastructure
on "islands" or "regions" where people routinely just have to
travel less than ~300 miles, round trip, per fill up. (E.g.,
Israel, Denmark, Australia, Hawaii, San Fran Bay area, ...)

Ummm.... Australia as a place with where people only have to
make short trips? I got news for you, Sydney to Broken Hill
is considered a drivable trip in Oz, (takes two days).
Like hell it does. Its only 14 hours.

I'd say we have more ove 300 mile round trips
than almost any other first world country.
It aint about countrys, most obviously with europe.

For some 300 miles round trip is a Centrelink (dole office) appointment.
You'd be the expert on that.

I'm not kidding that's how far some people have to go to put their forms in.
They can always post them.
 
Taken to court for the fraud they were found guilty and
fined $35 dollars. Expect the same from "slot car" makers.
A French philosopher-traveler in Acapulco was warned by an American
that he might get ripped off spending nights outdoors on beaches and
golf courses. The traveler was outraged:

"You mean I shouldn't travel because I might get ripped off?"

The same holds/held for the TCRR.

Will greedy politicians become involved in a scandal?

Probably.

Is there any other option?

No.

Welcome to reality.


Bret Cahill
 
On Apr 10, 1:55 pm, Borked Pseudo Mailed <nob...@pseudo.borked.net>
wrote:
1.  To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway."   Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2.  Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?

These guys, BetterPlace . comhttp://www.betterplace.com/
have a different model to spread the use of EVs, the Cell Phone
model.  Charge very little for the cars themselves but charge
for "miles".  Owners don't even have to worry about the batteries.  
In the BetterPlace model, the company keeps the batteries and
swaps them out, as needed.  If new battery technology comes along,
BetterPlace buys them and you get one popped in at your next fillup.

Another key part of their model is to install infrastructure
on "islands" or "regions" where people routinely just have to
travel less than ~300 miles, round trip, per fill up.  (E.g.,
Israel, Denmark, Australia, Hawaii, San Fran Bay area, ...)
Ummm.... Australia as a place with where people only have to
make short trips? I got news for you, Sydney to Broken Hill
is considered a drivable trip in Oz, (takes two days). I'd say we
have more ove 300 mile round trips than almost any other
first world country. For some 300 miles round trip is a Centrelink
(dole office) appointment. I'm not kidding that's how far some people
have to go to put their forms in.
 
On Apr 10, 1:55 pm, Borked Pseudo Mailed <nob...@pseudo.borked.net>
wrote:
1.  To sweeten things up private commuter EVs and hybrids won't be
metered for the electricity for the first 20 years -- whole new
meaning to the word "freeway."   Only large trucks will pay in the
beginning.

2.  Automakers only get federal money to build hybrids and EVs.

Bio fuel ain't gonna happen so why wait?

These guys, BetterPlace . comhttp://www.betterplace.com/
have a different model to spread the use of EVs, the Cell Phone
model.  Charge very little for the cars themselves but charge
for "miles".  Owners don't even have to worry about the batteries.  
In the BetterPlace model, the company keeps the batteries and
swaps them out, as needed.  If new battery technology comes along,
BetterPlace buys them and you get one popped in at your next fillup.

Another key part of their model is to install infrastructure
on "islands" or "regions" where people routinely just have to
travel less than ~300 miles, round trip, per fill up.  (E.g.,
Israel, Denmark, Australia, Hawaii, San Fran Bay area, ...)
The real breakthrough will be making recharging faster and by
induction, so you don't have to slow down to do it.
 
Another key part of their model is to install infrastructure
on "islands" or "regions" where people routinely just have to
travel less than ~300 miles, round trip, per fill up.  (E.g.,
Israel, Denmark, Australia, Hawaii, San Fran Bay area, ...)

Ummm.... Australia as a place with where people only have to
make short trips? I got news for you, Sydney to Broken Hill
is considered a drivable trip in Oz, (takes two days). I'd say we
have more ove 300 mile round trips than almost any other
first world country.
That would be a "region" example. Most people stick to the major cities
and would use EVs within the metro areas. The occasional long haul trip
would revert to conventional means. See also, the San Francisco Bay
area: you can't drive to LA and back, but you can commute around the
Bay area.

For recharging, most of the time, you'd plug in at home at night and at work
during the day. However, for longer trips, their plan is to have service
stations that will robotically swap out a fully charged battery for your
discharged battery. They say it takes less time than fueling a conventional
car with gasoline. Betterplace retains ownership of the batteries; the car
owner never paid for the battery; the driver is just paying for "miles" stored
in the battery.
 
"Borked Pseudo Mailed" <nobody@pseudo.borked.net> wrote in message
news:1da2c5c797da591be51d332cba1bdffa@pseudo.borked.net...
Another key part of their model is to install infrastructure
on "islands" or "regions" where people routinely just have to
travel less than ~300 miles, round trip, per fill up. (E.g.,
Israel, Denmark, Australia, Hawaii, San Fran Bay area, ...)

Ummm.... Australia as a place with where people only have to
make short trips? I got news for you, Sydney to Broken Hill
is considered a drivable trip in Oz, (takes two days). I'd say we
have more ove 300 mile round trips than almost any other
first world country.

That would be a "region" example. Most people stick to the major cities
and would use EVs within the metro areas. The occasional long haul trip
would revert to conventional means. See also, the San Francisco Bay
area: you can't drive to LA and back, but you can commute around the
Bay area.

For recharging, most of the time, you'd plug in at home at night and at
work
during the day. However, for longer trips, their plan is to have service
stations that will robotically swap out a fully charged battery for your
discharged battery. They say it takes less time than fueling a
conventional
car with gasoline. Betterplace retains ownership of the batteries; the
car
owner never paid for the battery; the driver is just paying for "miles"
stored
in the battery.
Or someone could invent a battery that charges up quickly.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126994.700-nanoball-batteries-could-recharge-car-in-minutes.html

"THE next generation of plug-in hybrid cars could recharge in minutes,
thanks to a new type of battery.

Lithium ion cells are used in portable gadgets and the latest hybrid cars as
they are light and can be repeatedly charged and discharged with little
degradation. But as with all batteries, charging takes some time. That's
because it involves detaching lithium ions from the cathode at one end of
the battery and absorbing them at the anode; pulling the ions from the
cathode is normally a slow process.

Now Byoungwoo Kang and Gerbrand Ceder at the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology have revealed an experimental battery that charges about 100
times as fast as normal lithium ion batteries. Their battery contains a
cathode made up of tiny balls of lithium iron phosphate, each just 50
nanometres across. The balls quickly release lithium ions as the battery
charges, which travel across an electrolyte towards the anode. As the
battery discharges, the lithium ions move back across the cell to be
re-absorbed by the nanoballs."
 
Andy F. wrote:

Or someone could invent a battery that charges up quickly.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126994.700-nanoball-batteries-could-recharge-car-in-minutes.html

"THE next generation of plug-in hybrid cars could recharge in minutes,
thanks to a new type of battery.
This will also require much new electrical infrastructure at local
levels to handle the electrical requirements.


Lithium ion cells are used in portable gadgets and the latest hybrid cars as
they are light and can be repeatedly charged and discharged with little
degradation. But as with all batteries, charging takes some time. That's
because it involves detaching lithium ions from the cathode at one end of
the battery and absorbing them at the anode; pulling the ions from the
cathode is normally a slow process.

Now Byoungwoo Kang and Gerbrand Ceder at the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology have revealed an experimental battery that charges about 100
times as fast as normal lithium ion batteries. Their battery contains a
cathode made up of tiny balls of lithium iron phosphate, each just 50
nanometres across. The balls quickly release lithium ions as the battery
charges, which travel across an electrolyte towards the anode. As the
battery discharges, the lithium ions move back across the cell to be
re-absorbed by the nanoballs."
 
In sci.physics Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:
Andy F. wrote:


Or someone could invent a battery that charges up quickly.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126994.700-nanoball-batteries-could-recharge-car-in-minutes.html

"THE next generation of plug-in hybrid cars could recharge in minutes,
thanks to a new type of battery.

This will also require much new electrical infrastructure at local
levels to handle the electrical requirements.
Not to mention cables and connectors the size of your leg.


--
Jim Pennino

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jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:
Andy F. wrote:

Or someone could invent a battery that charges up quickly.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126994.700-nanoball-batteries-could-recharge-car-in-minutes.html

"THE next generation of plug-in hybrid cars could recharge in minutes,
thanks to a new type of battery.
This will also require much new electrical infrastructure at local
levels to handle the electrical requirements.

Not to mention cables and connectors the size of your leg.


And they discharge just as easily.
Meaning , such cars explode when getting into an accident.
 
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote:
Andy F. wrote:

Or someone could invent a battery that charges up quickly.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126994.700-nanoball-batteries-could-recharge-car-in-minutes.html

"THE next generation of plug-in hybrid cars could recharge in minutes,
thanks to a new type of battery.
This will also require much new electrical infrastructure at local
levels to handle the electrical requirements.

Not to mention cables and connectors the size of your leg.


That was the size of the cables our computers used (mainframes
in the 60s, 70s and early 80s). There was a limit to how
long they could be.

/BAH
 
jmfbahciv wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote
Andy F. wrote

Or someone could invent a battery that charges up quickly.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126994.700-nanoball-batteries-could-recharge-car-in-minutes.html

"THE next generation of plug-in hybrid cars could recharge in
minutes, thanks to a new type of battery.
This will also require much new electrical infrastructure at local
levels to handle the electrical requirements.

Not to mention cables and connectors the size of your leg.

That was the size of the cables our computers used (mainframes in the 60s, 70s and early 80s).
No it wasnt.

There was a limit to how long they could be.
How odd that the street cables that thick can go for miles.
 
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:06:21 -0600, Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:

Another key part of their model is to install infrastructure
on "islands" or "regions" where people routinely just have to
travel less than ~300 miles, round trip, per fill up.  (E.g.,
Israel, Denmark, Australia, Hawaii, San Fran Bay area, ...)

Ummm.... Australia as a place with where people only have to
make short trips? I got news for you, Sydney to Broken Hill
is considered a drivable trip in Oz, (takes two days). I'd say we
have more ove 300 mile round trips than almost any other
first world country.

That would be a "region" example. Most people stick to the major cities
and would use EVs within the metro areas. The occasional long haul trip
would revert to conventional means. See also, the San Francisco Bay
area: you can't drive to LA and back, but you can commute around the
Bay area.

For recharging, most of the time, you'd plug in at home at night and at work
during the day. However, for longer trips, their plan is to have service
stations that will robotically swap out a fully charged battery for your
discharged battery. They say it takes less time than fueling a conventional
car with gasoline. Betterplace retains ownership of the batteries; the car
owner never paid for the battery; the driver is just paying for "miles" stored
in the battery.
Works great, until some clever thief starts stealing batteries and
replacing them with dummies that get him only as far as the swap-out
station. ;-)

Thanks!
Rich
 
In sci.physics Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
jmfbahciv wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote
Andy F. wrote

Or someone could invent a battery that charges up quickly.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126994.700-nanoball-batteries-could-recharge-car-in-minutes.html

"THE next generation of plug-in hybrid cars could recharge in
minutes, thanks to a new type of battery.
This will also require much new electrical infrastructure at local
levels to handle the electrical requirements.

Not to mention cables and connectors the size of your leg.

That was the size of the cables our computers used (mainframes in the 60s, 70s and early 80s).

No it wasnt.

There was a limit to how long they could be.

How odd that the street cables that thick can go for miles.
How odd the babbling kook has no concept of Ohm's Law, i squared r
losses, or why the current ratings for wires exist.


--
Jim Pennino

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jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
jmfbahciv wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote
Andy F. wrote

Or someone could invent a battery that charges up quickly.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126994.700-nanoball-batteries-could-recharge-car-in-minutes.html

"THE next generation of plug-in hybrid cars could
recharge in minutes, thanks to a new type of battery.
This will also require much new electrical infrastructure
at local levels to handle the electrical requirements.

Not to mention cables and connectors the size of your leg.

That was the size of the cables our computers used (mainframes in the 60s, 70s and early 80s).

No it wasnt.

There was a limit to how long they could be.

How odd that the street cables that thick can go for miles.

How odd the babbling kook has no concept of Ohm's Law,
i squared r losses, or why the current ratings for wires exist.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
 
In sci.physics Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
jmfbahciv wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote
Andy F. wrote

Or someone could invent a battery that charges up quickly.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126994.700-nanoball-batteries-could-recharge-car-in-minutes.html

"THE next generation of plug-in hybrid cars could
recharge in minutes, thanks to a new type of battery.
This will also require much new electrical infrastructure
at local levels to handle the electrical requirements.

Not to mention cables and connectors the size of your leg.

That was the size of the cables our computers used (mainframes in the 60s, 70s and early 80s).

No it wasnt.

There was a limit to how long they could be.

How odd that the street cables that thick can go for miles.

How odd the babbling kook has no concept of Ohm's Law,
i squared r losses, or why the current ratings for wires exist.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
Non sequitur, but what else would one expect from a babbling kook.


--
Jim Pennino

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jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
jmfbahciv wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote
Andy F. wrote

Or someone could invent a battery that charges up quickly.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126994.700-nanoball-batteries-could-recharge-car-in-minutes.html

"THE next generation of plug-in hybrid cars could
recharge in minutes, thanks to a new type of battery.
This will also require much new electrical infrastructure
at local levels to handle the electrical requirements.

Not to mention cables and connectors the size of your leg.

That was the size of the cables our computers used (mainframes in
the 60s, 70s and early 80s).

No it wasnt.

There was a limit to how long they could be.

How odd that the street cables that thick can go for miles.

How odd the babbling kook has no concept of Ohm's Law,
i squared r losses, or why the current ratings for wires exist.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

Non sequitur, but what else would one expect from a babbling kook.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
 
In sci.physics Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
jmfbahciv wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote
Andy F. wrote

Or someone could invent a battery that charges up quickly.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126994.700-nanoball-batteries-could-recharge-car-in-minutes.html

"THE next generation of plug-in hybrid cars could
recharge in minutes, thanks to a new type of battery.
This will also require much new electrical infrastructure
at local levels to handle the electrical requirements.

Not to mention cables and connectors the size of your leg.

That was the size of the cables our computers used (mainframes in
the 60s, 70s and early 80s).

No it wasnt.

There was a limit to how long they could be.

How odd that the street cables that thick can go for miles.

How odd the babbling kook has no concept of Ohm's Law,
i squared r losses, or why the current ratings for wires exist.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

Non sequitur, but what else would one expect from a babbling kook.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
It seems the babbling kook can't work up new drool; so much frothing
at the mouth he's run out of spit?


--
Jim Pennino

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jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
jmfbahciv wrote
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote
Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote
Andy F. wrote

Or someone could invent a battery that charges up quickly.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126994.700-nanoball-batteries-could-recharge-car-in-minutes.html

"THE next generation of plug-in hybrid cars could
recharge in minutes, thanks to a new type of battery.
This will also require much new electrical infrastructure
at local levels to handle the electrical requirements.

Not to mention cables and connectors the size of your leg.

That was the size of the cables our computers used (mainframes
in the 60s, 70s and early 80s).

No it wasnt.

There was a limit to how long they could be.

How odd that the street cables that thick can go for miles.

How odd the babbling kook has no concept of Ohm's Law,
i squared r losses, or why the current ratings for wires exist.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

Non sequitur, but what else would one expect from a babbling kook.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

It seems the babbling kook can't work up new drool; so much frothing
at the mouth he's run out of spit?
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
 

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