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thegoons
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"The Real Andy" <.pearson@wayit_dot_com_dot_au_remove_the_obvious_to_reply>
wrote in message news:vdqgf0thu1tdcddjf06orvuest07emi8sk@4ax.com...
and just to ensure these miserable bastards get some spam about it, here are
their details "for the archive":
To apply please send resumes to:
CommtechWireless
PO BOX 1037 OPDC, WA, 6916
jobs@commtechwireless.com
www.commtechwireless.com
Or use the apply now button.
wrote in message news:vdqgf0thu1tdcddjf06orvuest07emi8sk@4ax.com...
http://it.seek.com.au/users/apply/index.ascx?Sequence=80&PageNumber=1&ChannelID=4&SiteID=1&JobId=3820592
and just to ensure these miserable bastards get some spam about it, here are
their details "for the archive":
To apply please send resumes to:
CommtechWireless
PO BOX 1037 OPDC, WA, 6916
jobs@commtechwireless.com
www.commtechwireless.com
Or use the apply now button.
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Barry
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On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:50:40 +1000, The Real Andy
<.pearson@wayit_dot_com_dot_au_remove_the_obvious_to_reply> wrote:
http://it.seek.com.au/users/viewdetails.asp?Action=jobsearch&JobListAction=ViewOneAd&JobSearch=true&AdID=3820592
And the junior roles:
http://it.seek.com.au/users/viewdetails.asp?Action=jobsearch&JobListAction=ViewOneAd&JobSearch=true&AdID=3820554
<.pearson@wayit_dot_com_dot_au_remove_the_obvious_to_reply> wrote:
Doesn't work, try this:http://it.seek.com.au/users/apply/index.ascx?Sequence=80&PageNumber=1&ChannelID=4&SiteID=1&JobId=3820592
http://it.seek.com.au/users/viewdetails.asp?Action=jobsearch&JobListAction=ViewOneAd&JobSearch=true&AdID=3820592
And the junior roles:
http://it.seek.com.au/users/viewdetails.asp?Action=jobsearch&JobListAction=ViewOneAd&JobSearch=true&AdID=3820554
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Lionel Theunissen
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Disgraceful, but not really surprising. I realized several years ago that
being an Electronics Technician was a dead-end. That's why I got the hell
out. Wages for techs have been virtually static for the last fifteen years,
and in some instances have gone backwards!
When I was a tech in the mid 80's I was earning about 27k as a base salary.
Senior techs were getting about 35k, and supervising techs about 42k at the
time, if I recall. And that was plus overtime, of which you could expect
quite a bit if you wanted it.
Here we are nearly twenty years later and we have a 'senior technician' role
being offered for 30k (let's say 33k if you include the super). What's the
bet that any overtime you are expected to do would be unpaid, as well. How
the hell can anyone enjoy a decent living on that? In the mid 80's a nice
house cost about 90k. The same house now would cost upwards of 320k. That is
a massive decrease in buying power in real terms.
What went wrong? Firstly the award has not kept up with inflation. I guess
poor union representation is to blame for that. Secondly, the base salary in
the award was formulated with the assumption that a significant proportion
of income would be derived from overtime. Many technician positions do not
offer overtime, or any overtime you do is unpaid. Thirdly, management seems
to regard an electronics technician as some kind of plebs job. Why? Who
knows? Ignorance I guess, coupled with the fact that electronics enthusiasts
were often happy to work in a field they loved, and the pay was of secondary
consideration. But good trained techs are now in very short supply because
the remuneration has fallen well below a reasonable level.
I used to know many talented and knowledgable techs. Almost to a man they
have left the industry, with the exception of those who are a little too old
to think about changing careers. It is very obvious that the general quality
of techs has declined significantly in recent years. Many of those who call
themselves techs these days are, dare I say it, "a bit sloooooow"!
When will businesses wake up to this? Time and again I have heard companies
complain that they can't fill tech positions or that the applicants they get
are useless. Well, pay peanuts get monkeys!
These days 45k would be the bare minimum salary for any sort of skilled
worker with formal qualifications and a few years experience. Any company
that is offering less than that is ripping people off and should be taken to
task for it!
Lionel...
The Real Andy <.pearson@wayit_dot_com_dot_au_remove_the_obvious_to_reply>
wrote in message news:vdqgf0thu1tdcddjf06orvuest07emi8sk@4ax.com...
being an Electronics Technician was a dead-end. That's why I got the hell
out. Wages for techs have been virtually static for the last fifteen years,
and in some instances have gone backwards!
When I was a tech in the mid 80's I was earning about 27k as a base salary.
Senior techs were getting about 35k, and supervising techs about 42k at the
time, if I recall. And that was plus overtime, of which you could expect
quite a bit if you wanted it.
Here we are nearly twenty years later and we have a 'senior technician' role
being offered for 30k (let's say 33k if you include the super). What's the
bet that any overtime you are expected to do would be unpaid, as well. How
the hell can anyone enjoy a decent living on that? In the mid 80's a nice
house cost about 90k. The same house now would cost upwards of 320k. That is
a massive decrease in buying power in real terms.
What went wrong? Firstly the award has not kept up with inflation. I guess
poor union representation is to blame for that. Secondly, the base salary in
the award was formulated with the assumption that a significant proportion
of income would be derived from overtime. Many technician positions do not
offer overtime, or any overtime you do is unpaid. Thirdly, management seems
to regard an electronics technician as some kind of plebs job. Why? Who
knows? Ignorance I guess, coupled with the fact that electronics enthusiasts
were often happy to work in a field they loved, and the pay was of secondary
consideration. But good trained techs are now in very short supply because
the remuneration has fallen well below a reasonable level.
I used to know many talented and knowledgable techs. Almost to a man they
have left the industry, with the exception of those who are a little too old
to think about changing careers. It is very obvious that the general quality
of techs has declined significantly in recent years. Many of those who call
themselves techs these days are, dare I say it, "a bit sloooooow"!
When will businesses wake up to this? Time and again I have heard companies
complain that they can't fill tech positions or that the applicants they get
are useless. Well, pay peanuts get monkeys!
These days 45k would be the bare minimum salary for any sort of skilled
worker with formal qualifications and a few years experience. Any company
that is offering less than that is ripping people off and should be taken to
task for it!
Lionel...
The Real Andy <.pearson@wayit_dot_com_dot_au_remove_the_obvious_to_reply>
wrote in message news:vdqgf0thu1tdcddjf06orvuest07emi8sk@4ax.com...
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Hercules Smackbottom
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I suspect a good part of this might be due to the fact that back in the 70's or 80's
we actually repaired faulty circuit boards using a schematic diagram, CRO, and
soldering iron. Nowadays it seems the common solution is to chuck out the faulty
board and replace it with a new one. The skill required to do this is much less than
troubleshooting at board level. Right?
we actually repaired faulty circuit boards using a schematic diagram, CRO, and
soldering iron. Nowadays it seems the common solution is to chuck out the faulty
board and replace it with a new one. The skill required to do this is much less than
troubleshooting at board level. Right?
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Andrew
Guest
Just some quick numbers, I think the base (minimum) labour wage is
about $12 at the moment,
for a 40 hour week, 50 week year, that is 24K per year.
A skilled worker should be on 13-15 in my opion.
it appears that the jnr is $12.5 per hour and the senior is $15 per
hour.
I like doing this kind of work, but come on, I could not even pay the
house loan on this without having a parner, and I do not. in a ball
park, I would have about $300 per month for food, fuel, insurance,
rates, etc.
Jobs like this I could only do if I was living with friends or parents
(which I do not) or as a part time job (read moon lighting)
Once again it appears that to live in this world (or in a major city),
we are required to live in a group of several people just to pay the
rent. Something has to give.
A
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 02:30:13 +1000, "Lionel Theunissen"
<lionelth@big.net.au> wrote:
about $12 at the moment,
for a 40 hour week, 50 week year, that is 24K per year.
A skilled worker should be on 13-15 in my opion.
it appears that the jnr is $12.5 per hour and the senior is $15 per
hour.
I like doing this kind of work, but come on, I could not even pay the
house loan on this without having a parner, and I do not. in a ball
park, I would have about $300 per month for food, fuel, insurance,
rates, etc.
Jobs like this I could only do if I was living with friends or parents
(which I do not) or as a part time job (read moon lighting)
Once again it appears that to live in this world (or in a major city),
we are required to live in a group of several people just to pay the
rent. Something has to give.
A
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 02:30:13 +1000, "Lionel Theunissen"
<lionelth@big.net.au> wrote:
Disgraceful, but not really surprising. I realized several years ago that
being an Electronics Technician was a dead-end. That's why I got the hell
out. Wages for techs have been virtually static for the last fifteen years,
and in some instances have gone backwards!
When I was a tech in the mid 80's I was earning about 27k as a base salary.
Senior techs were getting about 35k, and supervising techs about 42k at the
time, if I recall. And that was plus overtime, of which you could expect
quite a bit if you wanted it.
Here we are nearly twenty years later and we have a 'senior technician' role
being offered for 30k (let's say 33k if you include the super). What's the
bet that any overtime you are expected to do would be unpaid, as well. How
the hell can anyone enjoy a decent living on that? In the mid 80's a nice
house cost about 90k. The same house now would cost upwards of 320k. That is
a massive decrease in buying power in real terms.
What went wrong? Firstly the award has not kept up with inflation. I guess
poor union representation is to blame for that. Secondly, the base salary in
the award was formulated with the assumption that a significant proportion
of income would be derived from overtime. Many technician positions do not
offer overtime, or any overtime you do is unpaid. Thirdly, management seems
to regard an electronics technician as some kind of plebs job. Why? Who
knows? Ignorance I guess, coupled with the fact that electronics enthusiasts
were often happy to work in a field they loved, and the pay was of secondary
consideration. But good trained techs are now in very short supply because
the remuneration has fallen well below a reasonable level.
I used to know many talented and knowledgable techs. Almost to a man they
have left the industry, with the exception of those who are a little too old
to think about changing careers. It is very obvious that the general quality
of techs has declined significantly in recent years. Many of those who call
themselves techs these days are, dare I say it, "a bit sloooooow"!
When will businesses wake up to this? Time and again I have heard companies
complain that they can't fill tech positions or that the applicants they get
are useless. Well, pay peanuts get monkeys!
These days 45k would be the bare minimum salary for any sort of skilled
worker with formal qualifications and a few years experience. Any company
that is offering less than that is ripping people off and should be taken to
task for it!
Lionel...
The Real Andy <.pearson@wayit_dot_com_dot_au_remove_the_obvious_to_reply
wrote in message news:vdqgf0thu1tdcddjf06orvuest07emi8sk@4ax.com...
http://it.seek.com.au/users/apply/index.ascx?Sequence=80&PageNumber=1&Channe
lID=4&SiteID=1&JobId=3820592
Guest
Lionel Theunissen <lionelth@big.net.au> wrote:
price of buying a house? They include rent and mortgage interest but the
change in housing prices are ignored. While housing prices have zoomed
out of reach, government inflation figures have been low.
Most electronic items are thrown away because repair costs are comparable
with replacement costs and the industry tries hard to obsolete its own
products as often as possible. Australia imports its electronic gear and
thus implicitly depends on cheap Asian technicians.
The whacky thing is that you can get paid $100 per hour or more for dragging
twisted pair data cables through building walls and floors and for crimping
connectors to the end. The difference is demand and the building industry
is difficult to outsource.
- Tel
Isn't it strange that "official" inflation figures do not include theIn the mid 80's a nice
house cost about 90k. The same house now would cost upwards of 320k. That is
a massive decrease in buying power in real terms.
price of buying a house? They include rent and mortgage interest but the
change in housing prices are ignored. While housing prices have zoomed
out of reach, government inflation figures have been low.
If supply wasn't meeting demand then the remuneration would be higher.Thirdly, management seems
to regard an electronics technician as some kind of plebs job. Why? Who
knows? Ignorance I guess, coupled with the fact that electronics enthusiasts
were often happy to work in a field they loved, and the pay was of secondary
consideration. But good trained techs are now in very short supply because
the remuneration has fallen well below a reasonable level.
Most electronic items are thrown away because repair costs are comparable
with replacement costs and the industry tries hard to obsolete its own
products as often as possible. Australia imports its electronic gear and
thus implicitly depends on cheap Asian technicians.
The whacky thing is that you can get paid $100 per hour or more for dragging
twisted pair data cables through building walls and floors and for crimping
connectors to the end. The difference is demand and the building industry
is difficult to outsource.
Why should they? We just import whatever we need, and then throw it away.When will businesses wake up to this?
- Tel
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The Real Andy
Guest
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:12:39 -0000, <telford@xenon.triode.net.au>
wrote:
$30k/annum. Fool.
wrote:
Well your more than welcome to apply for the job and earn a meagreLionel Theunissen <lionelth@big.net.au> wrote:
In the mid 80's a nice
house cost about 90k. The same house now would cost upwards of 320k. That is
a massive decrease in buying power in real terms.
Isn't it strange that "official" inflation figures do not include the
price of buying a house? They include rent and mortgage interest but the
change in housing prices are ignored. While housing prices have zoomed
out of reach, government inflation figures have been low.
Thirdly, management seems
to regard an electronics technician as some kind of plebs job. Why? Who
knows? Ignorance I guess, coupled with the fact that electronics enthusiasts
were often happy to work in a field they loved, and the pay was of secondary
consideration. But good trained techs are now in very short supply because
the remuneration has fallen well below a reasonable level.
If supply wasn't meeting demand then the remuneration would be higher.
Most electronic items are thrown away because repair costs are comparable
with replacement costs and the industry tries hard to obsolete its own
products as often as possible. Australia imports its electronic gear and
thus implicitly depends on cheap Asian technicians.
The whacky thing is that you can get paid $100 per hour or more for dragging
twisted pair data cables through building walls and floors and for crimping
connectors to the end. The difference is demand and the building industry
is difficult to outsource.
When will businesses wake up to this?
Why should they? We just import whatever we need, and then throw it away.
- Tel
$30k/annum. Fool.
A
Allan
Guest
<telford@xenon.triode.net.au> wrote in message
news:10fmf17h8hbbn25@corp.supernews.com...
That's what I hate, The Govt go on about recycle and do the right thing, but
the real environmental damage is the cheap electrical
crap that is flooding our markets at the moment.
lasts 12 months and then Dump it..
Puts a lot of people out of work, from repairers to Suppliers ..
But what can we do?
I run a repair Business of brown goods, and its crap, your lucky to get $60
for a repair,
but everyone wants a quote.. Even if we tell them its stuffed when they
bring it in..
Allan
news:10fmf17h8hbbn25@corp.supernews.com...
But you have to recycle Your Milk cartons..Lionel Theunissen <lionelth@big.net.au> wrote:
In the mid 80's a nice
house cost about 90k. The same house now would cost upwards of 320k.
That is
a massive decrease in buying power in real terms.
Isn't it strange that "official" inflation figures do not include the
price of buying a house? They include rent and mortgage interest but the
change in housing prices are ignored. While housing prices have zoomed
out of reach, government inflation figures have been low.
Thirdly, management seems
to regard an electronics technician as some kind of plebs job. Why? Who
knows? Ignorance I guess, coupled with the fact that electronics
enthusiasts
were often happy to work in a field they loved, and the pay was of
secondary
consideration. But good trained techs are now in very short supply
because
the remuneration has fallen well below a reasonable level.
If supply wasn't meeting demand then the remuneration would be higher.
Most electronic items are thrown away because repair costs are comparable
with replacement costs and the industry tries hard to obsolete its own
products as often as possible. Australia imports its electronic gear and
thus implicitly depends on cheap Asian technicians.
The whacky thing is that you can get paid $100 per hour or more for
dragging
twisted pair data cables through building walls and floors and for
crimping
connectors to the end. The difference is demand and the building industry
is difficult to outsource.
When will businesses wake up to this?
Why should they? We just import whatever we need, and then throw it away.
- Tel
That's what I hate, The Govt go on about recycle and do the right thing, but
the real environmental damage is the cheap electrical
crap that is flooding our markets at the moment.
lasts 12 months and then Dump it..
Puts a lot of people out of work, from repairers to Suppliers ..
But what can we do?
I run a repair Business of brown goods, and its crap, your lucky to get $60
for a repair,
but everyone wants a quote.. Even if we tell them its stuffed when they
bring it in..
Allan
Guest
The Real Andy <.pearson@wayit_dot_com_dot_au_remove_the_obvious_to_reply> wrote:
hard to deal with reality.
It is useless getting cranky at business for not paying more just
because you consider x and y skills valuable even when there is no
market for those skills. It is even more useless to ignore the
sequence of cause and effect that has resulted in the current
situation.
- Tel
Thank you for your kind permission, sorry to see you are finding itWell your more than welcome to apply for the job and earn a meagre
$30k/annum. Fool.
hard to deal with reality.
It is useless getting cranky at business for not paying more just
because you consider x and y skills valuable even when there is no
market for those skills. It is even more useless to ignore the
sequence of cause and effect that has resulted in the current
situation.
- Tel
Guest
Allan <allanaws@hotmail.com> wrote:
- Tel
Here was me thinking that plastic shopping bags were the real problem.Why should they? We just import whatever we need, and then throw it away.
- Tel
But you have to recycle Your Milk cartons..
That's what I hate, The Govt go on about recycle and do the right thing, but
the real environmental damage is the cheap electrical
crap that is flooding our markets at the moment.
lasts 12 months and then Dump it..
- Tel
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The Real Andy
Guest
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 01:07:43 -0000, <telford@xenon.triode.net.au>
wrote:
that anyone who works for that meagre wage is silly, cause there is
better paying tech work out there. I'd rather dig ditches than work
for that.
wireless is by no means a domestic repairer. They are just plain
greedy. They have made plenty of cash from me, and still do make cash
from past business recommendations. They gear isn't cheap either.
wrote:
It's not reality for me, and never will be. I laugh, cause its a joke.The Real Andy <.pearson@wayit_dot_com_dot_au_remove_the_obvious_to_reply> wrote:
Well your more than welcome to apply for the job and earn a meagre
$30k/annum. Fool.
Thank you for your kind permission, sorry to see you are finding it
hard to deal with reality.
I aint getting cranky, i couldn't give a shit personally. I just thinkIt is useless getting cranky at business for not paying more just
that anyone who works for that meagre wage is silly, cause there is
better paying tech work out there. I'd rather dig ditches than work
for that.
The market is there, perhaps not for domestic repairs. Commtechbecause you consider x and y skills valuable even when there is no
market for those skills. It is even more useless to ignore the
wireless is by no means a domestic repairer. They are just plain
greedy. They have made plenty of cash from me, and still do make cash
from past business recommendations. They gear isn't cheap either.
I dont think you fully understand the situation.sequence of cause and effect that has resulted in the current
situation.
J
John Smyth
Guest
"Barry" <notbarry@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
news:5g3if0hmcvbg5u8nvj2ovpa86n2tg9kb0v@4ax.com...
I'm curious about
1. What you would think is a good wage for this job?
2. What sort of fair profit you would expect an employer to make employing
someone in this job? (Can we assume that $30k plus super would cost employer
$50k allowing for employee overheads?)
Curious
John
news:5g3if0hmcvbg5u8nvj2ovpa86n2tg9kb0v@4ax.com...
iewOneAd&JobSearch=true&AdID=3820592On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:50:40 +1000, The Real Andy
.pearson@wayit_dot_com_dot_au_remove_the_obvious_to_reply> wrote:
http://it.seek.com.au/users/apply/index.ascx?Sequence=80&PageNumber=1&Chann
elID=4&SiteID=1&JobId=3820592
Doesn't work, try this:
http://it.seek.com.au/users/viewdetails.asp?Action=jobsearch&JobListAction=V
iewOneAd&JobSearch=true&AdID=3820554And the junior roles:
http://it.seek.com.au/users/viewdetails.asp?Action=jobsearch&JobListAction=V
I'm curious about
1. What you would think is a good wage for this job?
2. What sort of fair profit you would expect an employer to make employing
someone in this job? (Can we assume that $30k plus super would cost employer
$50k allowing for employee overheads?)
Curious
John
T
The Real Andy
Guest
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:59:10 +1000, "John Smyth" <smyth@tpg.com.au>
wrote:
LESS than about $40k/pa. For a more realistic figure, I would think
that about $50k/pa is a good figure for a "Senior Tech".
wrote:
At the bare minimum, I would expect a "Senior Tech" to be getting NOI'm curious about
1. What you would think is a good wage for this job?
2. What sort of fair profit you would expect an employer to make employing
someone in this job? (Can we assume that $30k plus super would cost employer
$50k allowing for employee overheads?)
Curious
John
LESS than about $40k/pa. For a more realistic figure, I would think
that about $50k/pa is a good figure for a "Senior Tech".
T
TonyP
Guest
"The Real Andy" <.pearson@wayit_dot_com_dot_au_remove_the_obvious_to_reply>
wrote in message news:uh7vf0dsfq54p2rbhl6dtevcs2sb14qtbe@4ax.com...
simply because most farmers can't afford any more.
IMO it's not the employees fault if the employer can't make his business
model work.
OTOH if the cost of housing, clothing, cars etc. was also based on ability
to pay, then I would agree with you.
Unfortunately the number employing any at all is decreasing, that's why they
can offer crap wages. Funny that CEO's still get a fortune regardless of how
much the company loses, and how many people there are prepared to do the job
for less.
TonyP.
wrote in message news:uh7vf0dsfq54p2rbhl6dtevcs2sb14qtbe@4ax.com...
I guess you also think that fruit pickers are worth no more than $5 per hourOn Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:59:10 +1000, "John Smyth" <smyth@tpg.com.au
wrote:
I'm curious about
1. What you would think is a good wage for this job?
2. What sort of fair profit you would expect an employer to make
employing
someone in this job? (Can we assume that $30k plus super would cost
employer
$50k allowing for employee overheads?)
simply because most farmers can't afford any more.
IMO it's not the employees fault if the employer can't make his business
model work.
OTOH if the cost of housing, clothing, cars etc. was also based on ability
to pay, then I would agree with you.
Sounds about right for REAL companies. Many pay more than that.At the bare minimum, I would expect a "Senior Tech" to be getting NO
LESS than about $40k/pa. For a more realistic figure, I would think
that about $50k/pa is a good figure for a "Senior Tech".
Unfortunately the number employing any at all is decreasing, that's why they
can offer crap wages. Funny that CEO's still get a fortune regardless of how
much the company loses, and how many people there are prepared to do the job
for less.
TonyP.
J
John Smyth
Guest
"TonyP" <TonyP@optus.net.com.au> wrote in message
news:4100d1ef$0$18670$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
person. I have no problem with the idea that fruit picking (the job) is only
worth $5 / hour. Its a completely different question whether the $5 /hour
fruit picking job is appropriate for the fruit picker's needs and lifestyle.
I used to drive taxis for what turned out to be $6/hr long term over two
years part time. As I see it taxi driving is priced as a $6/hour job in our
economy. Just because one has a $6/hr job doesn't make one a $6/hr person.
Similiarly, just because one is a CEO with a $1/second job doesn't make one
into a $1/second person.
John
news:4100d1ef$0$18670$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
I would distinguish between the fruit picking job and the fruit picking"The Real Andy"
.pearson@wayit_dot_com_dot_au_remove_the_obvious_to_reply
wrote in message news:uh7vf0dsfq54p2rbhl6dtevcs2sb14qtbe@4ax.com...
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:59:10 +1000, "John Smyth" <smyth@tpg.com.au
wrote:
I'm curious about
1. What you would think is a good wage for this job?
2. What sort of fair profit you would expect an employer to make
employing
someone in this job? (Can we assume that $30k plus super would cost
employer
$50k allowing for employee overheads?)
I guess you also think that fruit pickers are worth no more than $5 per
hour
simply because most farmers can't afford any more.
person. I have no problem with the idea that fruit picking (the job) is only
worth $5 / hour. Its a completely different question whether the $5 /hour
fruit picking job is appropriate for the fruit picker's needs and lifestyle.
I used to drive taxis for what turned out to be $6/hr long term over two
years part time. As I see it taxi driving is priced as a $6/hour job in our
economy. Just because one has a $6/hr job doesn't make one a $6/hr person.
Similiarly, just because one is a CEO with a $1/second job doesn't make one
into a $1/second person.
John
IMO it's not the employees fault if the employer can't make his business
model work.
OTOH if the cost of housing, clothing, cars etc. was also based on ability
to pay, then I would agree with you.
At the bare minimum, I would expect a "Senior Tech" to be getting NO
LESS than about $40k/pa. For a more realistic figure, I would think
that about $50k/pa is a good figure for a "Senior Tech".
Sounds about right for REAL companies. Many pay more than that.
Unfortunately the number employing any at all is decreasing, that's why
they
can offer crap wages. Funny that CEO's still get a fortune regardless of
how
much the company loses, and how many people there are prepared to do the
job
for less.
TonyP.
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with the idea that someone should work *HARD* for $5 an hour, while others
sit on their bums shuffling bits of paper for a 100 times the amount. The
fruit being more important in most cases.
And there are very few fruitpickers who have cost the economy $1. Quite a
few CEO's have cost $Billions though.
Needs and lifestyle are determined by how much you earn. You will barely pay
rent on a hovel at $5 PH. But you will still pay a lot more tax than someone
on the dole, or many multi-national companies for that matter!
can get away with it in a fascist economy.
TonyP.
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In a country with lower costs than Australia maybe. I have a major problemI would distinguish between the fruit picking job and the fruit picking
person. I have no problem with the idea that fruit picking (the job) is
only
worth $5 / hour.
with the idea that someone should work *HARD* for $5 an hour, while others
sit on their bums shuffling bits of paper for a 100 times the amount. The
fruit being more important in most cases.
And there are very few fruitpickers who have cost the economy $1. Quite a
few CEO's have cost $Billions though.
Its a completely different question whether the $5 /hour
fruit picking job is appropriate for the fruit picker's needs and
lifestyle.
Needs and lifestyle are determined by how much you earn. You will barely pay
rent on a hovel at $5 PH. But you will still pay a lot more tax than someone
on the dole, or many multi-national companies for that matter!
I don't think such a thing is possible, even though many think they are, andSimiliarly, just because one is a CEO with a $1/second job doesn't make
one
into a $1/second person.
can get away with it in a fascist economy.
TonyP.