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mkr5000

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Anyone use this? Any good? (or at least better than needle nose and frustration?)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/110V-Air-Vacuum-Pump-Pick-and-Place-Pen-Suction-Pen-Pick-Up-Machine-IC-SMD-BGA/263774951816?hash=item3d6a365988:g:NioAAOSwqbVbLg26

-- thank you
 
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 9:59:59 AM UTC-7, mkr5000 wrote:
Anyone use this? Any good? (or at least better than needle nose and frustration?)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/110V-Air-Vacuum-Pump-Pick-and-Place-Pen-Suction-Pen-Pick-Up-Machine-IC-SMD-BGA/263774951816?hash=item3d6a365988:g:NioAAOSwqbVbLg26

-- thank you
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I have something very similar. I avoid using it at all costs, but occasionally must use it.

I almost always have better luck with a pair of tweezers (or two).

If you could operate it with a foot-pedal it might work better. The reason I say that is because the action of letting off the vacuum disturbs the wand enough to mis-align the part at the last moment. Very frustrating to use.

You are going to want to grip very close to the tip.
 
mkr5000 wrote...
Anyone use this? Any good? (or at least better than needle nose and
frustration?)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/110V-Air-Vacuum-Pump-Pick-and-Place-Pen-Suction-Pen-
Pick-Up-Machine-IC-SMD-BGA/263774951816?hash=item3d6a365988:g:NioAAOSwqbVbLg26
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"so do not worry SMD components sucked up to the
solder paste printed on the paste after the
phenomenon was sucked back."


--
Thanks,
- Win
 
On 2020-02-18 11:59, mkr5000 wrote:
Anyone use this? Any good? (or at least better than needle nose and frustration?)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/110V-Air-Vacuum-Pump-Pick-and-Place-Pen-Suction-Pen-Pick-Up-Machine-IC-SMD-BGA/263774951816?hash=item3d6a365988:g:NioAAOSwqbVbLg26

-- thank you
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You don't want pliers for that job, you want a nice set of curved-jaw
stainless steel tweezers with a small binder clip sliding along the jaws
for a very finely-adjustable self-closing action.

And a shot-glass-sized container of acetone to dip the tweezers in when
they get sticky.

A Panavise is the best hundred bucks you'll ever spend on prototyping.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On 2020-02-18 11:59, mkr5000 wrote:
Anyone use this? Any good? (or at least better than needle nose and frustration?)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/110V-Air-Vacuum-Pump-Pick-and-Place-Pen-Suction-Pen-Pick-Up-Machine-IC-SMD-BGA/263774951816?hash=item3d6a365988:g:NioAAOSwqbVbLg26

-- thank you
Click to expand...

You don't want pliers for that job, you want a nice set of curved-jaw
stainless steel tweezers with a small binder clip sliding along the jaws
for a very finely-adjustable self-closing action.

And a shot-glass-sized container of acetone to dip the tweezers in when
they get sticky.

A Panavise is the best hundred bucks you'll ever spend on prototyping.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

http://electrooptical.net
http://hobbs-eo.com
 
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 2:26:32 PM UTC-7, Phil Hobbs wrote:

And a shot-glass-sized container of acetone to dip the tweezers in when
they get sticky.

A Panavise is the best hundred bucks you'll ever spend on prototyping.
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This is extremely useful advice. I also keep a snap-top vial of acetone for the same purpose.

Panavise + 'helping hands' (like this: https://www.globalindustrial.com/p/tools/welding/soldering-brazing-kits/900-015-helping-hands-soldering-aid) will make your life so much better.
 
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 4:26:32 PM UTC-5, Phil Hobbs wrote:
A Panavise is the best hundred bucks you'll ever spend on prototyping.
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I bought mine for $10 at a hamfest. :)
 
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 12:13:22 PM UTC-5, DemonicTubes wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 9:59:59 AM UTC-7, mkr5000 wrote:
Anyone use this? Any good? (or at least better than needle nose and frustration?)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/110V-Air-Vacuum-Pump-Pick-and-Place-Pen-Suction-Pen-Pick-Up-Machine-IC-SMD-BGA/263774951816?hash=item3d6a365988:g:NioAAOSwqbVbLg26

-- thank you

I have something very similar. I avoid using it at all costs, but occasionally must use it.

I almost always have better luck with a pair of tweezers (or two).

If you could operate it with a foot-pedal it might work better. The reason I say that is because the action of letting off the vacuum disturbs the wand enough to mis-align the part at the last moment. Very frustrating to use.

You are going to want to grip very close to the tip.
Click to expand...

All kidding aside, I bet if you are facile with chopsticks, you can use this easily.

--

Rick C.

- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
On Tue, 18 Feb 2020 08:59:54 -0800 (PST), mkr5000 <mikerbgr@gmail.com>
wrote:

Anyone use this? Any good? (or at least better than needle nose and frustration?)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/110V-Air-Vacuum-Pump-Pick-and-Place-Pen-Suction-Pen-Pick-Up-Machine-IC-SMD-BGA/263774951816?hash=item3d6a365988:g:NioAAOSwqbVbLg26

-- thank you
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I got a much higher-end vacuum pick system and never use it.

It must be around here somewhere.

I agree about curved SS tweezers. Most critical is good optics, like a
Mantis.

We have a very manual pantographic sort of pick-and place thing, no
computer or optics or anything, but it helps for manual placement.

My production people use these for manual picking. Battery powered.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/i6n0jeggns5dyec/Hakko_Vac_Pic.jpg?dl=0

--

John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
 
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 11:59:59 AM UTC-5, mkr5000 wrote:
Anyone use this? Any good? (or at least better than needle nose and frustration?)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/110V-Air-Vacuum-Pump-Pick-and-Place-Pen-Suction-Pen-Pick-Up-Machine-IC-SMD-BGA/263774951816?hash=item3d6a365988:g:NioAAOSwqbVbLg26

-- thank you
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The XY platform for a 3D printer seems like it would be good enough for this sort of work. I'm surprised there aren't low cost versions of these. Even if you have to work the part pick operation less automatically, it seems like just the placement would help a lot.

--

Rick C.

+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging
+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
 
mkr5000 wrote:
Anyone use this? Any good? (or at least better than needle nose and frustration?)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/110V-Air-Vacuum-Pump-Pick-and-Place-Pen-Suction-Pen-Pick-Up-Machine-IC-SMD-BGA/263774951816?hash=item3d6a365988:g:NioAAOSwqbVbLg26

-- thank you
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Why not an aquarium pump or similar? should be less expensive.
DIY the tip.
 
Rick C wrote:
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 11:59:59 AM UTC-5, mkr5000 wrote:
Anyone use this? Any good? (or at least better than needle nose and frustration?)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/110V-Air-Vacuum-Pump-Pick-and-Place-Pen-Suction-Pen-Pick-Up-Machine-IC-SMD-BGA/263774951816?hash=item3d6a365988:g:NioAAOSwqbVbLg26

-- thank you

The XY platform for a 3D printer seems like it would be good enough for this sort of work. I'm surprised there aren't low cost versions of these. Even if you have to work the part pick operation less automatically, it seems like just the placement would help a lot.

Look at this kit: https://www.liteplacer.com/
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