CE compliance testing in the UK

[themanwhocan]

Does anybody have details for a CE standards testing facility in the UK.
Preferably a reasonably priced one. I am looking to get a number of small
batteries tested before beginning to import them. Does anybody have a guide
price for this type of work?

Any help would be greatly appreciated as I am way out of my depth with this.

Thanks

Tom

 

[Pooh Bear]

themanwhocan wrote:

Does anybody have details for a CE standards testing facility in the UK.
Preferably a reasonably priced one. I am looking to get a number of small
batteries tested before beginning to import them. Does anybody have a guide
price for this type of work?

Any help would be greatly appreciated as I am way out of my depth with this.

You just want to import batteries ?

I'm not aware of any regulation requiring CE marking for these. I've never seen
CE marked batteries.

You may need to comply with regulations requiring elimation of hazardous
substances like mercury and cadmium for example - see RoHS legislation (
restriction of hazardous substances ) but this has been deemed not to be a CE
marking issue.

Farnell has sent me some good info on RoHS btw so I'd go check their website.


Grham

 

[Ian Stirling]

Pooh Bear <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

themanwhocan wrote:

Does anybody have details for a CE standards testing facility in the UK.
Preferably a reasonably priced one. I am looking to get a number of small
batteries tested before beginning to import them. Does anybody have a guide
price for this type of work?

Any help would be greatly appreciated as I am way out of my depth with this.

You just want to import batteries ?

I'm not aware of any regulation requiring CE marking for these. I've never seen
CE marked batteries.

Ok...
Few batteries nearest me.
CR2032 - none.
NEC E313 lithium battery - has.
Sagem MX10 - has.
AA/AAA/PP3 - none.

Rechargable lithium only?

 

[martin griffith]

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:23:05 +0000, in sci.electronics.design John
Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Ian Stirling
root@mauve.demon.co.uk> wrote (in <41fe5c49$0$7940$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-
reader01.plus.net&gt about 'CE compliance testing in the UK', on Mon, 31
Jan 2005:
Pooh Bear <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
themanwhocan wrote:

snip
I couldn't find anything about CE marking for lithium, or any other,
batteries on the Directives part of EU web site. The search engine is
very strange, though; it doesn't like technical words at all and prefers
nice comforting political ones.
Hi John,

whats the URL ?
And can we use the sites "political words" in CE conformity
statements?
It might be cheaper than testing


martin

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[R.Lewis]

Nothing much to do with the previous part of this thread but will Pb-acid
and/or NiCad batteries be acceptable in the UK/Europe after the end of this
year even if they are currently being supplied in equipment as standard.?

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that martin griffith
<martingriffith@yahoo.co.uk> wrote (in <dibtv0d6la24at2eve1lbqfmp9unvc4s
uv@4ax.com&gt about 'CE compliance testing in the UK', on Mon, 31 Jan
2005:

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:23:05 +0000, in sci.electronics.design John
Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote:

I read in sci.electronics.design that Ian Stirling
root@mauve.demon.co.uk> wrote (in <41fe5c49$0$7940$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-
reader01.plus.net&gt about 'CE compliance testing in the UK', on Mon, 31
Jan 2005:
Pooh Bear <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
themanwhocan wrote:

snip
I couldn't find anything about CE marking for lithium, or any other,
batteries on the Directives part of EU web site. The search engine is
very strange, though; it doesn't like technical words at all and prefers
nice comforting political ones.
Hi John,
whats the URL ?

The Commission's ITE people notoriously go in for 100-character URLs.
Her is one that is manageable:

http://europa.eu.int/geninfo/query/search_en.html?

And can we use the sites "political words" in CE conformity
statements?

If you think they are worth printing.

What I mean is that you put 'lithium battery' into the search engine and
you get 10000 articles on rural development initiatives in Portugal or
economic considerations in beef production.


--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that R.Lewis <h.lewis@connect-2.co.uk>
wrote (in <367pmaF4rho66U1@individual.net&gt about 'CE compliance testing
in the UK', on Mon, 31 Jan 2005:

Nothing much to do with the previous part of this thread but will Pb-acid
and/or NiCad batteries be acceptable in the UK/Europe after the end of this
year even if they are currently being supplied in equipment as standard.?


Yes. It's recognized that at present it's not possible to stop using

lead and cadmium in batteries.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Mike Harrison
<mike@whitewing.co.uk> wrote (in <thftv05t86hjc43kbjehvratuu6n5atnfi@4ax
..com&gt about 'CE compliance testing in the UK', on Mon, 31 Jan 2005:

Remember that any lithium rechargeable is likely to contain at least
some electronics for pack protection, and maybe also charge
control/metering, and so could in principle be within the scope of the
EMC directive, although maybe it would be classed as a component and
outside the scope....

That seems to be a very grey area. The OP didn't say whether there were
any electronics involved. If there is, I'll ask a minor deity in the EMC
world for an opinion. The battery by itself doesn't have the electronics
energised, so my view is that the electronics is effectively part of the
product in which the battery is installed to be charged.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that Ian Stirling
<root@mauve.demon.co.uk> wrote (in <41ffe828$0$7948$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-
reader01.plus.net&gt about 'CE compliance testing in the UK', on Tue, 1
Feb 2005:

In many cases this isn't true.
Especially with multi-cell batteries, it's usual for some part of the
electronics to be energised.

Doesn't that discharge the battery? What is it that's energised? If it's
electromagnetically benign, it doesn't matter.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[Pooh Bear]

"R.Lewis" wrote:

Nothing much to do with the previous part of this thread but will Pb-acid
and/or NiCad batteries be acceptable in the UK/Europe after the end of this
year even if they are currently being supplied in equipment as standard.?

Somewhat hilariously - such use of hazardous substances in vast quantities is
deemed acceptable since there is no practical alternative !

The tiny quantity of lead in electronic goods is however deemed to be
unacceptable.

Therefore an entirely new 'industry' has grown up to promote lead free
soldering.

Lead free soldering isn't without its problems such as tin whiskering..

One simply hopes that the solder suppliers will fix it and hopefully the
components will survive the extra 50C during the soldering process !!!!!


Graham

 

[Paul Burke]

Pooh Bear wrote:

The tiny quantity of lead in electronic goods is however deemed to be
unacceptable.

Even the plating on TSSOP legs. We still get our water through lead
pipes on the company supply side, not really worried though as it coated
over and became harmless about 50 years ago.

Paul Burke

 

[Mike Harrison]

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 01:33:43 +0000, Pooh Bear <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

"R.Lewis" wrote:

Nothing much to do with the previous part of this thread but will Pb-acid
and/or NiCad batteries be acceptable in the UK/Europe after the end of this
year even if they are currently being supplied in equipment as standard.?

Somewhat hilariously - such use of hazardous substances in vast quantities is
deemed acceptable since there is no practical alternative !

The tiny quantity of lead in electronic goods is however deemed to be
unacceptable.

The difference is that lead in a car battery is easily identifiable and readily recyclable.
How do you get the lead out of a mobile phone ?

 

[Ian Stirling]

Mike Harrison <mike@whitewing.co.uk> wrote:

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 01:33:43 +0000, Pooh Bear <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:


"R.Lewis" wrote:

Nothing much to do with the previous part of this thread but will Pb-acid
and/or NiCad batteries be acceptable in the UK/Europe after the end of this
year even if they are currently being supplied in equipment as standard.?

Somewhat hilariously - such use of hazardous substances in vast quantities is
deemed acceptable since there is no practical alternative !

The tiny quantity of lead in electronic goods is however deemed to be
unacceptable.

The difference is that lead in a car battery is easily identifiable and readily recyclable.
How do you get the lead out of a mobile phone ?

Mobile phones don't have any lead, that's why they are called mobile.

 

[Pooh Bear]

Paul Burke wrote:

Pooh Bear wrote:

The tiny quantity of lead in electronic goods is however deemed to be
unacceptable.

Even the plating on TSSOP legs.

Yup.

I notice some semi makers are taking different routes. Some are converting
to Pb free products across the line within some given time period, other are
offering both 'standard' and Pb free product.

This figures since a Pb free product won't solder so well in Pb/Sn process
where it's still in use.

We still get our water through lead
pipes on the company supply side, not really worried though as it coated
over and became harmless about 50 years ago.

Hard water area I guess ?


Graham

 

[Paul Burke]

Pooh Bear wrote:

We still get our water through lead
pipes on the company supply side, not really worried though as it coated
over and became harmless about 50 years ago.


Hard water area I guess ?

No, so soft I don't need salt in the dishwasher.

Paul Burke

 

[Ian Stirling]

richard mullens <mullensdeletethis@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Ian Stirling wrote:
richard mullens <mullensdeletethis@ntlworld.com> wrote:
snip

I'm hoping to use some of the batteries on http://www.wes-technik.de/English/Battery.htm but they haven't arrived yet. First
some confusion on the naming of Kok640, then Parceline attempted delivery Friday, and they are the most unresponsive courier
I've ever encountered. Next time I'll only order if they use a different courier.

I've seen that site before, it's on my list of
"sites to never start an order without a second mortgage".
I think I'd end up with one of everything.

 

[John Woodgate]

I read in sci.electronics.design that John Larkin <jjSNIPlarkin@highTHIS
landPLEASEtechnology.XXX> wrote (in <uanl01tjio0k05t7hkj7inv2bfaa4fo4ia@
4ax.com&gt about 'CE compliance testing in the UK', on Wed, 9 Feb 2005:

Is there a CE standard for cheese?

Not yet. There is a repeatability problem with the measurement of
emissions.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

 

[keith]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:19:03 +0000, nospam wrote:

keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

All that's needed is a documented process, documentation to show
that the process is followed, and a measurement system that is used to
refine the process (and a pule of money to pay for the certificate). ISO
is about processes, not quality.

Not knowing that much about it, but, I always considered ISO9000 as a
virus.

Indeed it was inteded to be just that. The Europeans totally
underestimated the capacity of US corporations to generate paper. It
*was* designed to keep US corporations out of the EU. Ooops.

Those at the top of the 'food chain' decide that can only buy from
approved suppliers and those suppliers in turn pass the same
requirements to their suppliers and so on.

Yep.

Is there anything in ISO9000 which requires your suppliers to have
ISO9000? or makes life easier when they have ISO9000? or is it just dick
heads writing the processes which require it and so their ISO9000
approvals depend on it?

You have to have a process from one end to he other, so you figure it out.

--
Keith

 

[Paul Burke]

John Woodgate wrote:

It started as BS 5750, which was designed to 'encourage'
the many British companies that didn't have their processing under
control to do something about it.

I used to get quite a lot of business from BS5750 firms, just because I
was NOT BS5750. I could do things like start work without a full
specification and ahead of the formal order, developing it as we went
along, do quick and dirty design changes, and so on.

As someone said at the time, before BS5750 everybody was free to make
whatever crap they chose. Now everybody makes the same crap.

Paul Burke

 

[nospam]

keith <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

All that's needed is a documented process, documentation to show
that the process is followed, and a measurement system that is used to
refine the process (and a pule of money to pay for the certificate). ISO
is about processes, not quality.

Not knowing that much about it, but, I always considered ISO9000 as a
virus.

Those at the top of the 'food chain' decide that can only buy from
approved suppliers and those suppliers in turn pass the same requirements
to their suppliers and so on.

Is there anything in ISO9000 which requires your suppliers to have ISO9000?
or makes life easier when they have ISO9000? or is it just dick heads
writing the processes which require it and so their ISO9000 approvals
depend on it?