>>> CAUTION!! <<<

Illusion · Oct 23, 2005

A growing number of crooks offer lists full cracked software of all kinds
on the internet and in several newsgroups. Most of them have websites
showing titles and offering quick delivery AFTER payment through WESTERN
UNION.

Payments done through WESTERN UNION are LOST MONEY because the crooks
have NOTHING TO OFFER and it is an insecure payment method!!! Websites with
hundreds of fake listed cracked software titles are just to get YOUR
MONEY!!

One of the many crooks uses this FALSE data to get YOUR MONEY:

FIRST NAME : EVANGELOS
SECOND NAME: VOLOTAS
ADDRESS: 1 OMIROU STR.
ZIP CODE: 10680
CITY: ATHENS
COUNTRY: GREECE

Used banking info for bigger amounts:

ALPHA BANK OF GREECE (EUROPE)
BRANCH: AXARNWN 364 STR.,
11145 ATHENS, GREECE , EUROPE
ACCOUNT NUMBER : 150 - 002 101 127 842
IBAN : GR05 0140 1500 1500 0210 1127 842

Read more about this scam in the Google search link:

http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=nl&q=EVANGELOS+VOLOTAS&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

NEVER EVER SEND YOUR MONEY TO MENTIONED CROOK OR ANY OTHER ASKING
TO SEND MONEY TRHOUGH WESTERN UNION!!!!!!! THEY HAVE NOTHING TO SELL AND
YOUR MONEY IS LOST!!!

Poul Bundgaard · Oct 23, 2005

Illusion wrote:

A growing number of crooks offer lists full cracked software of all
kinds on the internet and in several newsgroups. Most of them have
websites showing titles and offering quick delivery AFTER payment
through WESTERN UNION.
NEVER EVER SEND YOUR MONEY TO MENTIONED CROOK OR ANY OTHER ASKING
TO SEND MONEY TRHOUGH WESTERN UNION!!!!!!! THEY HAVE NOTHING TO SELL
AND YOUR MONEY IS LOST!!!

There is no honour among thieves *grin*

Jim Thompson · Oct 23, 2005

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:30:30 +0200, "Poul Bundgaard"
<poul_bundgaard@hotmail.com> wrote:

Illusion wrote:
A growing number of crooks offer lists full cracked software of all
kinds on the internet and in several newsgroups. Most of them have
websites showing titles and offering quick delivery AFTER payment
through WESTERN UNION.
NEVER EVER SEND YOUR MONEY TO MENTIONED CROOK OR ANY OTHER ASKING
TO SEND MONEY TRHOUGH WESTERN UNION!!!!!!! THEY HAVE NOTHING TO SELL
AND YOUR MONEY IS LOST!!!

There is no honour among thieves *grin*

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Poul Bundgaard · Oct 23, 2005

Illusion wrote:
A growing number of crooks offer lists full cracked software of all
THEY HAVE NOTHING TO SELL
AND YOUR MONEY IS LOST!!!

poul_bundgaard@hotmail.com> wrote:
There is no honour among thieves *grin*

Jim Thompson wrote:

If you buy from such vendors, knowing full-well that it is cracked
software, you are a thief yourself. Thus you deserve your lose.

Hello Jim...
I'm not the OP ! ...and my posting was intended to show that I
feel no pity for him.
It is idiots like him that is responsible for feeding scum like the
software pirate, so the rest of us has to deal with spam from
this pirate and the like of him.....

Jim Thompson · Oct 23, 2005

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:55:49 +0200, "Poul Bundgaard"
<poul_bundgaard@hotmail.com> wrote:

Illusion wrote:
A growing number of crooks offer lists full cracked software of all
THEY HAVE NOTHING TO SELL
AND YOUR MONEY IS LOST!!!

poul_bundgaard@hotmail.com> wrote:
There is no honour among thieves *grin*

Jim Thompson wrote:

If you buy from such vendors, knowing full-well that it is cracked
software, you are a thief yourself. Thus you deserve your lose.

Hello Jim...
I'm not the OP ! ...and my posting was intended to show that I
feel no pity for him.
It is idiots like him that is responsible for feeding scum like the
software pirate, so the rest of us has to deal with spam from
this pirate and the like of him.....

Poul, Sorry if my post was confusing. I was referring to the OP.

Having had a Korean company steal my IP in the crudest possible way...
just cut off the title block with scissors and then send the drawing
on to a foundry... I feel for software creators getting screwed over
by these "cracker cretins".

...Jim Thompson
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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Illusion · Oct 24, 2005

Op Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:57:03 -0700 schreef Jim Thompson:

If you buy from such vendors, knowing full-well that it is cracked
software, you are a thief yourself. Thus you deserve your lose.

...Jim Thompson

Who says I bought anything. You guys just jump to conclusions
based on your own experience? My posting was just meant as
an alert for those who plan on ordering pirated software. So just
give me a break!

Dr. Anton T. Squeegee · Oct 26, 2005

In article <v84ss1qog4mr.1aoo8hjokzleq.dlg@40tude.net>, reply@here.plz
says...

Op Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:57:03 -0700 schreef Jim Thompson:

If you buy from such vendors, knowing full-well that it is cracked
software, you are a thief yourself. Thus you deserve your lose.

...Jim Thompson

Who says I bought anything. You guys just jump to conclusions
based on your own experience? My posting was just meant as
an alert for those who plan on ordering pirated software. So just
give me a break!

Did you really expect any other reaction?

Think about it a minute. You post a warning, from what looks like
an anonymizing Usenet proxy, about purchasing "warez." Your warning had
no valid E-mail return address that I can see, and the tone of your
original post gave no reason NOT to assume that you were speaking from
direct experience.

Do not blame others if they "jump to conclusions" based on what
you post, if said post gives other readers reason to do so.

I do, in fact, believe that you were trying to warn others.
However, I also believe that the "others" you were trying to warn are
not those who would be shopping for legitimate software to begin with.
No one in their right mind who goes shopping for any sort of "warez"
expects to come off with a fair deal.

Go back to IRC where you belong.

--
Dr. Anton T. Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute.
(Known to some as Bruce Lane, ARS KC7GR,
kyrrin (a/t) bluefeathertech[d=o=t]calm -- www.bluefeathertech.com
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped
with surreal ports?"

Illusion · Oct 26, 2005

Op Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:55:11 -0700 schreef Dr. Anton T. Squeegee:

Did you really expect any other reaction?

Think about it a minute. You post a warning, from what looks like
an anonymizing Usenet proxy, about purchasing "warez." Your warning had
no valid E-mail return address that I can see, and the tone of your
original post gave no reason NOT to assume that you were speaking from
direct experience.

Do not blame others if they "jump to conclusions" based on what
you post, if said post gives other readers reason to do so.

I do, in fact, believe that you were trying to warn others.
However, I also believe that the "others" you were trying to warn are
not those who would be shopping for legitimate software to begin with.
No one in their right mind who goes shopping for any sort of "warez"
expects to come off with a fair deal.

Go back to IRC where you belong.

Dr. who, thank you for the your lecture. But if you pretend to be as smart
as you would like to appear here, you should know that the very ones
who yell not ever buying illegal software or who, without any hesitation,
use illegal copies of hard-to-get-software or expensive software, are just
the ones that do. Don't most of us have illegal copies of Windows on our
machines?

If, for instance, the CAD/EDA sofware industry would sell their software
for normal/reasonable prices the need to use an illegal copy would not
be there. Sky high prices for so called professional software does not make
any sense at all! If software would sell for a normal price, the need to
reverse-engineer or crack is no longer there and I even think that sales
rates would be even higher. So, if you ask me, the software industry
itself creates this problem. But will they admit? No, instead the software
gets more expensive creating an ever growing urge to reverse-engineer
it and sell illegal copies which, if I can lay my hand on it and buy a copy
from a reliable person, I will certainly do.

So, get real and stop beatin around the bush.

Paul Burke · Oct 26, 2005

Illusion wrote:

If, for instance, the CAD/EDA sofware industry would sell their software
for normal/reasonable prices

They do. There is a huge range of EDA software available, ranging from
free to millions of dollars. Choose your price/ performance balance in
that range. I chose Easy PC, it's not the cheapest or the most powerful,
but it's good enough, flexible and well supported.

the need to use an illegal copy would not

be there.

There's never any NEED to use an illegal copy, unless you are a princess
locked in a tower and forced to produce a PCB or the King will cut off
your head. You might want to avoid paying though. Some people call that
theft.

Sky high prices for so called professional software does not make

any sense at all! If software would sell for a normal price

It costs a lot of money to develop, and the market is small. If you
really want to blast off at somebody, try those software vendors who
have the effective monopoly of a large market, and still sell at prices
as high as any of the much smaller firms that risk their time, energy
and capital producing those extremely useful, but not so lucrative, EDA
packages.

Paul Burke

Stuart Brorson · Oct 26, 2005

Illusion <reply@here.plz> wrote:
: If, for instance, the CAD/EDA sofware industry would sell their software
: for normal/reasonable prices the need to use an illegal copy would not
: be there. . . . . . . . [rest of rant snipped]

There are open-source alternatives, for those clever enough to use
them:

http://geda.seul.org/

Rather than only whining about it, some some people are taking
creative action.

Stuart

Dr. Anton T. Squeegee · Oct 30, 2005

In article <njjxyc0arp5k$.1eawxcp8kualb$.dlg@40tude.net>, reply@here.plz
says...

Go back to IRC where you belong.

Dr. who, thank you for the your lecture. But if you pretend to be as smart
as you would like to appear here, you should know that the very ones

<snippety>

No change in originating address, same lame excuses I've seen
plenty of times before.

Time to put this one to bed.

*PLONK!*

--
Dr. Anton T. Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute.
(Known to some as Bruce Lane, ARS KC7GR,
kyrrin (a/t) bluefeathertech[d=o=t]calm -- www.bluefeathertech.com
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped
with surreal ports?"

Jim Thompson · Oct 26, 2005

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:01:30 +0200, Illusion <reply@here.plz> wrote:

[snip]

Don't most of us have illegal copies of Windows on our
machines?

No.

If, for instance, the CAD/EDA sofware industry would sell their software
for normal/reasonable prices the need to use an illegal copy would not
be there. Sky high prices for so called professional software does not make
any sense at all! If software would sell for a normal price, the need to
reverse-engineer or crack is no longer there and I even think that sales
rates would be even higher. So, if you ask me, the software industry
itself creates this problem. But will they admit? No, instead the software
gets more expensive creating an ever growing urge to reverse-engineer
it and sell illegal copies which, if I can lay my hand on it and buy a copy
from a reliable person, I will certainly do.

So, get real and stop beatin around the bush.

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Rich Lemert · Oct 27, 2005

Illusion wrote:

If, for instance, the CAD/EDA sofware industry would sell their software
for normal/reasonable prices the need to use an illegal copy would not
be there. Sky high prices for so called professional software does not make
any sense at all! If software would sell for a normal price, the need to
reverse-engineer or crack is no longer there and I even think that sales
rates would be even higher. So, if you ask me, the software industry
itself creates this problem. But will they admit? No, instead the software
gets more expensive creating an ever growing urge to reverse-engineer
it and sell illegal copies which, if I can lay my hand on it and buy a copy
from a reliable person, I will certainly do.

1. What do you consider a "reasonable" price? Why?

2. What tools are you concerned about? Why?

3. Why do you think a price that you think is unreasonable justifies
theft? Shall I steal your designs just because I don't feel like your
time and effort is as valuable as you feel it is?

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