Car security hack for keyless access - power amp.

[Cloaca]

Believe it...... or not.

"He explained it like this: In a normal scenario, when you walk up to a
car with a keyless entry and try the door handle, the car wirelessly
calls out for your key so you don't have to press any buttons to get
inside. If the key calls back, the door unlocks. But the keyless system
is capable of searching for a key only within a couple of feet.

Danev said that when the teenage girl turned on her device, it amplified
the distance that the car can search, which then allowed my car to talk
to my key, which happened to be sitting about 50 feet away, on the
kitchen counter. And just like that, open sesame."



<http://www.watoday.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/why-keeping-your-keys-in-the-freezer-can-stop-thieves-breaking-into-your-car-20150416-1mm25p.html>

 

On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 8:47:50 PM UTC+8, Cloaca wrote:

Danev said that when the teenage girl turned on her device, it amplified
the distance that the car can search, which then allowed my car to talk
to my key, which happened to be sitting about 50 feet away, on the
kitchen counter. And just like that, open sesame."

Maybe it will stop car thieves breaking into houses to get keys.
I have a faulty key that will open the doors but not start the engine.
I leave it hanging by the front door just in case some low-life
wants my wheels.

 

[Computer Nerd Kev]

116e32s@gmail.com wrote:

On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 8:47:50 PM UTC+8, Cloaca wrote:

Danev said that when the teenage girl turned on her device, it amplified
the distance that the car can search, which then allowed my car to talk
to my key, which happened to be sitting about 50 feet away, on the
kitchen counter. And just like that, open sesame."

Maybe it will stop car thieves breaking into houses to get keys.
I have a faulty key that will open the doors but not start the engine.
I leave it hanging by the front door just in case some low-life
wants my wheels.

I'm sure they'll keep it in mind if they ever want a car radio. Mind
you, I'm not sure anyone steals those anymore.

I just had a quick look into this, here are some links that I've
partially read, apparently these are called "Relay Attacks":

Some Swiss researchers managed to make a fool of some systems in
2010, and were kind enough to describe all you ever needed to know
about Passive Keyley Entry/Ignition systems in the process:
http://eprint.iacr.org/2010/332.pdf


Yet Wikipedia has a nice little unreferenced section saying that it's
all impossible:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_key#Security_requirements

Some nifty detection methods up there by the way, though I'm not sure
I'd trust all of them.


Finally, it seems that the UK's less honest Land Rover enthusiests
have been giving people such a hard time that insurers are running
away:
http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/oct/27/thieves-range-rover-keyless-locking

Though at the end, Jaguar/Land Rover suggest that the theives are
just cloning the keys. All seems a bit old-fashioned really.

"In a statement, Jaguar Land Rover said vehicle theft through the
re-programming of remote-entry keys was an on-going problem which
affected the whole industry."

But it's all right because you can just install a second system
that checks if you have a second key. A key for a key then, that's
progress...


Oh well, my car has an old IR "Keyless Entry System" (though I
don't have a transmitter for it - a project for another day...)
which would probably baffle any theif anyway. Though its also
got the best anti-theft system of all - being the last one in
the car-park that any self respecting master villan would touch
for love or money.

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[~misfit~]

Once upon a time on usenet Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

116e32s@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 8:47:50 PM UTC+8, Cloaca wrote:

Danev said that when the teenage girl turned on her device, it
amplified the distance that the car can search, which then allowed
my car to talk to my key, which happened to be sitting about 50
feet away, on the kitchen counter. And just like that, open sesame."

Maybe it will stop car thieves breaking into houses to get keys.
I have a faulty key that will open the doors but not start the
engine. I leave it hanging by the front door just in case some
low-life
wants my wheels.

I'm sure they'll keep it in mind if they ever want a car radio. Mind
you, I'm not sure anyone steals those anymore.

I just had a quick look into this, here are some links that I've
partially read, apparently these are called "Relay Attacks":

Some Swiss researchers managed to make a fool of some systems in
2010, and were kind enough to describe all you ever needed to know
about Passive Keyley Entry/Ignition systems in the process:
http://eprint.iacr.org/2010/332.pdf


Yet Wikipedia has a nice little unreferenced section saying that it's
all impossible:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_key#Security_requirements

Some nifty detection methods up there by the way, though I'm not sure
I'd trust all of them.


Finally, it seems that the UK's less honest Land Rover enthusiests
have been giving people such a hard time that insurers are running
away:
http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/oct/27/thieves-range-rover-keyless-locking

Though at the end, Jaguar/Land Rover suggest that the theives are
just cloning the keys. All seems a bit old-fashioned really.

"In a statement, Jaguar Land Rover said vehicle theft through the
re-programming of remote-entry keys was an on-going problem which
affected the whole industry."

But it's all right because you can just install a second system
that checks if you have a second key. A key for a key then, that's
progress...


Oh well, my car has an old IR "Keyless Entry System" (though I
don't have a transmitter for it - a project for another day...)
which would probably baffle any theif anyway. Though its also
got the best anti-theft system of all

This:

being the last one in
the car-park that any self respecting master villan would touch
for love or money.

is my primary security system and always has been.

I've had some cars that were brilliant to drive that I really enjoyed but I
never bothered about how they looked. My Dad always used to say never have a
car that someone else looks at and wants too much and that, when you're in
the driving seat you can't see the paint job or the wheel rims.

Whenever I spent money on a car it was always buy a second-hand proven
reliable car then spend on the engine, brakes, firming up the suspension,
putting high quality after-market shocks and sticky tyres on it etc. I've
never been one to 'peacock' with a car but I do like to drive.
--
Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
cozy little classification in the DSM."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)

 

[Clocky]

On 27/04/2015 8:45 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:

Once upon a time on usenet Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
116e32s@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 8:47:50 PM UTC+8, Cloaca wrote:

Danev said that when the teenage girl turned on her device, it
amplified the distance that the car can search, which then allowed
my car to talk to my key, which happened to be sitting about 50
feet away, on the kitchen counter. And just like that, open sesame."

Maybe it will stop car thieves breaking into houses to get keys.
I have a faulty key that will open the doors but not start the
engine. I leave it hanging by the front door just in case some
low-life
wants my wheels.

I'm sure they'll keep it in mind if they ever want a car radio. Mind
you, I'm not sure anyone steals those anymore.

I just had a quick look into this, here are some links that I've
partially read, apparently these are called "Relay Attacks":

Some Swiss researchers managed to make a fool of some systems in
2010, and were kind enough to describe all you ever needed to know
about Passive Keyley Entry/Ignition systems in the process:
http://eprint.iacr.org/2010/332.pdf


Yet Wikipedia has a nice little unreferenced section saying that it's
all impossible:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_key#Security_requirements

Some nifty detection methods up there by the way, though I'm not sure
I'd trust all of them.


Finally, it seems that the UK's less honest Land Rover enthusiests
have been giving people such a hard time that insurers are running
away:
http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/oct/27/thieves-range-rover-keyless-locking

Though at the end, Jaguar/Land Rover suggest that the theives are
just cloning the keys. All seems a bit old-fashioned really.

"In a statement, Jaguar Land Rover said vehicle theft through the
re-programming of remote-entry keys was an on-going problem which
affected the whole industry."

But it's all right because you can just install a second system
that checks if you have a second key. A key for a key then, that's
progress...


Oh well, my car has an old IR "Keyless Entry System" (though I
don't have a transmitter for it - a project for another day...)
which would probably baffle any theif anyway. Though its also
got the best anti-theft system of all

This:

being the last one in
the car-park that any self respecting master villan would touch
for love or money.

is my primary security system and always has been.

I've had some cars that were brilliant to drive that I really enjoyed but I
never bothered about how they looked. My Dad always used to say never have a
car that someone else looks at and wants too much and that, when you're in
the driving seat you can't see the paint job or the wheel rims.

Whenever I spent money on a car it was always buy a second-hand proven
reliable car then spend on the engine, brakes, firming up the suspension,
putting high quality after-market shocks and sticky tyres on it etc. I've
never been one to 'peacock' with a car but I do like to drive.

Yep I'm with you on that. As long as the car is mechanically sound and
is comfortable I don't really care what it looks like or how many
"features" it has either.