California is what cascading climate disasters look like...

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Fred Bloggs

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Recent disasters and research show a strong need to integrate management and risk reduction strategies of droughts and flood. Having one agency focus on one hazard can have unintended consequences for another hazard. For example, maximizing reservoir storage when expecting a drought can increase the flood risk.

https://theconversation.com/atmospheric-rivers-over-californias-wildfire-burn-scars-raise-fears-of-deadly-mudslides-this-is-what-cascading-climate-disasters-look-like-197563
 
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 11:21:05 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 21:43:23 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 9:11:14 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

Yes, weather and climate are both chaotic and sometimes violent, but ...

Huh? Traditional estimates of climate are just no-change-expected (i.e.
extrapolation) and modern ones like greenhouse gas modeling are
not showing any signs of chaotic character.

Define \'chaotic\' and give an example of some climate element that
fits it. If you can\'t do that, your claim is void.

I bailed at Huh?
Click to expand...

No you bailed when it came time to sanity-check the claim of
chaos. I filled in the lacunae in that process. You\'re welcome.
 
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 11:21:05 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 21:43:23 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 9:11:14 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

Yes, weather and climate are both chaotic and sometimes violent, but ...

Huh? Traditional estimates of climate are just no-change-expected (i.e.
extrapolation) and modern ones like greenhouse gas modeling are
not showing any signs of chaotic character.

Define \'chaotic\' and give an example of some climate element that
fits it. If you can\'t do that, your claim is void.

I bailed at Huh?
Click to expand...

No you bailed when it came time to sanity-check the claim of
chaos. I filled in the lacunae in that process. You\'re welcome.
 
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 11:21:05 AM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 21:43:23 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 9:11:14 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

Yes, weather and climate are both chaotic and sometimes violent, but ...

Huh? Traditional estimates of climate are just no-change-expected (i.e.
extrapolation) and modern ones like greenhouse gas modeling are
not showing any signs of chaotic character.

Define \'chaotic\' and give an example of some climate element that
fits it. If you can\'t do that, your claim is void.

I bailed at Huh?
Click to expand...

No you bailed when it came time to sanity-check the claim of
chaos. I filled in the lacunae in that process. You\'re welcome.
 
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 8:29:25 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 2:37:35 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:57:20 PM UTC-8, a a wrote:
#fake

The world has seen MANY \"climate\" disasters over our know history (you can look them up easily). It is only now that these \"disasters\" are blamed on human activity.
https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/

Atmospheric CO2 used to sit at about 270 ppm during interglacials and a bout 180 ppm during ices age, as we known from Antarctic and Greenland ice care samples.

The current level - about 420 ppm - is higher than it has been for some 20 million years and it is being produced by human activity - there less C-13 in it than there to used to be, so it\'s clearly coming from fossil carbon that we had dug and burnt.

That extra green-house gas is having a clear and obvious effect on the climate. The \"climate\" disasters are actually weather disasters, but warmer oceans evaporate more water that provide the extra energy that fuels more energetic \"extreme weather events\".

Bozo\'s Sewage Sweeper is much to stupid to see the connection, and he\'s addicted to political propaganda that\'s concocted to deny it.
Click to expand...

So says the IDIOT who wants to FIREBOMB and NUKE his own fucking country. Elevated CO2 levels have been scientifically shown to have a negligible affect on global temperatures.

--
Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney
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Bozo\'s Sewage Sweeper
 
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 8:29:25 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 2:37:35 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:57:20 PM UTC-8, a a wrote:
#fake

The world has seen MANY \"climate\" disasters over our know history (you can look them up easily). It is only now that these \"disasters\" are blamed on human activity.
https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/

Atmospheric CO2 used to sit at about 270 ppm during interglacials and a bout 180 ppm during ices age, as we known from Antarctic and Greenland ice care samples.

The current level - about 420 ppm - is higher than it has been for some 20 million years and it is being produced by human activity - there less C-13 in it than there to used to be, so it\'s clearly coming from fossil carbon that we had dug and burnt.

That extra green-house gas is having a clear and obvious effect on the climate. The \"climate\" disasters are actually weather disasters, but warmer oceans evaporate more water that provide the extra energy that fuels more energetic \"extreme weather events\".

Bozo\'s Sewage Sweeper is much to stupid to see the connection, and he\'s addicted to political propaganda that\'s concocted to deny it.
Click to expand...

So says the IDIOT who wants to FIREBOMB and NUKE his own fucking country. Elevated CO2 levels have been scientifically shown to have a negligible affect on global temperatures.

--
Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney
Click to expand...

Bozo\'s Sewage Sweeper
 
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 8:29:25 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 2:37:35 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:57:20 PM UTC-8, a a wrote:
#fake

The world has seen MANY \"climate\" disasters over our know history (you can look them up easily). It is only now that these \"disasters\" are blamed on human activity.
https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/

Atmospheric CO2 used to sit at about 270 ppm during interglacials and a bout 180 ppm during ices age, as we known from Antarctic and Greenland ice care samples.

The current level - about 420 ppm - is higher than it has been for some 20 million years and it is being produced by human activity - there less C-13 in it than there to used to be, so it\'s clearly coming from fossil carbon that we had dug and burnt.

That extra green-house gas is having a clear and obvious effect on the climate. The \"climate\" disasters are actually weather disasters, but warmer oceans evaporate more water that provide the extra energy that fuels more energetic \"extreme weather events\".

Bozo\'s Sewage Sweeper is much to stupid to see the connection, and he\'s addicted to political propaganda that\'s concocted to deny it.
Click to expand...

So says the IDIOT who wants to FIREBOMB and NUKE his own fucking country. Elevated CO2 levels have been scientifically shown to have a negligible affect on global temperatures.

--
Bozo Bill Sloman, Sydney
Click to expand...

Bozo\'s Sewage Sweeper
 
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 4:03:04 PM UTC-6, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Recent disasters and research show a strong need to integrate management and risk reduction strategies of droughts and flood. Having one agency focus on one hazard can have unintended consequences for another hazard. For example, maximizing reservoir storage when expecting a drought can increase the flood risk.

https://theconversation.com/atmospheric-rivers-over-californias-wildfire-burn-scars-raise-fears-of-deadly-mudslides-this-is-what-cascading-climate-disasters-look-like-197563
Click to expand...

TV happened to be showing a snow avalanche that killed people trapped
on a train back in 1910. Wellington, Washington.
<https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/trains-buried-by-avalanche>
 
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 4:03:04 PM UTC-6, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Recent disasters and research show a strong need to integrate management and risk reduction strategies of droughts and flood. Having one agency focus on one hazard can have unintended consequences for another hazard. For example, maximizing reservoir storage when expecting a drought can increase the flood risk.

https://theconversation.com/atmospheric-rivers-over-californias-wildfire-burn-scars-raise-fears-of-deadly-mudslides-this-is-what-cascading-climate-disasters-look-like-197563
Click to expand...

TV happened to be showing a snow avalanche that killed people trapped
on a train back in 1910. Wellington, Washington.
<https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/trains-buried-by-avalanche>
 
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 4:03:04 PM UTC-6, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Recent disasters and research show a strong need to integrate management and risk reduction strategies of droughts and flood. Having one agency focus on one hazard can have unintended consequences for another hazard. For example, maximizing reservoir storage when expecting a drought can increase the flood risk.

https://theconversation.com/atmospheric-rivers-over-californias-wildfire-burn-scars-raise-fears-of-deadly-mudslides-this-is-what-cascading-climate-disasters-look-like-197563
Click to expand...

TV happened to be showing a snow avalanche that killed people trapped
on a train back in 1910. Wellington, Washington.
<https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/trains-buried-by-avalanche>
 
On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 1:21:34 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 8:29:25 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 2:37:35 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:57:20 PM UTC-8, a a wrote:
#fake

The world has seen MANY \"climate\" disasters over our know history (you can look them up easily). It is only now that these \"disasters\" are blamed on human activity.
https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/

Atmospheric CO2 used to sit at about 270 ppm during interglacials and a bout 180 ppm during ices age, as we known from Antarctic and Greenland ice care samples.

The current level - about 420 ppm - is higher than it has been for some 20 million years and it is being produced by human activity - there less C-13 in it than there to used to be, so it\'s clearly coming from fossil carbon that we had dug and burnt.

That extra green-house gas is having a clear and obvious effect on the climate. The \"climate\" disasters are actually weather disasters, but warmer oceans evaporate more water that provide the extra energy that fuels more energetic \"extreme weather events\".

Bozo\'s Sewage Sweeper is much to stupid to see the connection, and he\'s addicted to political propaganda that\'s concocted to deny it.

So says the IDIOT who wants to FIREBOMB and NUKE his own fucking country..

Elevated CO2 levels have been scientifically shown to have a negligible affect on global temperatures.
Click to expand...

Not that Sewage Sweeper can post a link to this ostensibly scientific study - which would turn out to be obvious climate change denial propaganda if he did.

Sewage Sweeper is dedicated to spreading loads of defamatory nonsense, some of it about me. The basic rule seems to be that it has to be utterly fatuous before Sewage Sweeper will endorse it.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 1:21:34 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 8:29:25 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 2:37:35 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:57:20 PM UTC-8, a a wrote:
#fake

The world has seen MANY \"climate\" disasters over our know history (you can look them up easily). It is only now that these \"disasters\" are blamed on human activity.
https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/

Atmospheric CO2 used to sit at about 270 ppm during interglacials and a bout 180 ppm during ices age, as we known from Antarctic and Greenland ice care samples.

The current level - about 420 ppm - is higher than it has been for some 20 million years and it is being produced by human activity - there less C-13 in it than there to used to be, so it\'s clearly coming from fossil carbon that we had dug and burnt.

That extra green-house gas is having a clear and obvious effect on the climate. The \"climate\" disasters are actually weather disasters, but warmer oceans evaporate more water that provide the extra energy that fuels more energetic \"extreme weather events\".

Bozo\'s Sewage Sweeper is much to stupid to see the connection, and he\'s addicted to political propaganda that\'s concocted to deny it.

So says the IDIOT who wants to FIREBOMB and NUKE his own fucking country..

Elevated CO2 levels have been scientifically shown to have a negligible affect on global temperatures.
Click to expand...

Not that Sewage Sweeper can post a link to this ostensibly scientific study - which would turn out to be obvious climate change denial propaganda if he did.

Sewage Sweeper is dedicated to spreading loads of defamatory nonsense, some of it about me. The basic rule seems to be that it has to be utterly fatuous before Sewage Sweeper will endorse it.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 1:21:34 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 8:29:25 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 2:37:35 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:57:20 PM UTC-8, a a wrote:
#fake

The world has seen MANY \"climate\" disasters over our know history (you can look them up easily). It is only now that these \"disasters\" are blamed on human activity.
https://gml.noaa.gov/ccgg/trends/

Atmospheric CO2 used to sit at about 270 ppm during interglacials and a bout 180 ppm during ices age, as we known from Antarctic and Greenland ice care samples.

The current level - about 420 ppm - is higher than it has been for some 20 million years and it is being produced by human activity - there less C-13 in it than there to used to be, so it\'s clearly coming from fossil carbon that we had dug and burnt.

That extra green-house gas is having a clear and obvious effect on the climate. The \"climate\" disasters are actually weather disasters, but warmer oceans evaporate more water that provide the extra energy that fuels more energetic \"extreme weather events\".

Bozo\'s Sewage Sweeper is much to stupid to see the connection, and he\'s addicted to political propaganda that\'s concocted to deny it.

So says the IDIOT who wants to FIREBOMB and NUKE his own fucking country..

Elevated CO2 levels have been scientifically shown to have a negligible affect on global temperatures.
Click to expand...

Not that Sewage Sweeper can post a link to this ostensibly scientific study - which would turn out to be obvious climate change denial propaganda if he did.

Sewage Sweeper is dedicated to spreading loads of defamatory nonsense, some of it about me. The basic rule seems to be that it has to be utterly fatuous before Sewage Sweeper will endorse it.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
 
On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 21:43:23 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 9:11:14 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

Yes, weather and climate are both chaotic and sometimes violent, but ...

Huh? Traditional estimates of climate are just no-change-expected (i.e.
extrapolation) and modern ones like greenhouse gas modeling are
not showing any signs of chaotic character.

Define \'chaotic\' and give an example of some climate element that
fits it. If you can\'t do that, your claim is void.


O\'Shaughnessy Blvd is another canyon cut that is slipping.

And, every cliff everywhere on the planet is evidence of successive
losses off the face into whatever lies below. That\'s something that
occurs sometimes during weather events, but... it was happening slowly
anyhow. The Grand Canyon
Click to expand...

I bailed at Huh?

Now you can say LOL.
 
On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 21:43:23 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 9:11:14 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

Yes, weather and climate are both chaotic and sometimes violent, but ...

Huh? Traditional estimates of climate are just no-change-expected (i.e.
extrapolation) and modern ones like greenhouse gas modeling are
not showing any signs of chaotic character.

Define \'chaotic\' and give an example of some climate element that
fits it. If you can\'t do that, your claim is void.


O\'Shaughnessy Blvd is another canyon cut that is slipping.

And, every cliff everywhere on the planet is evidence of successive
losses off the face into whatever lies below. That\'s something that
occurs sometimes during weather events, but... it was happening slowly
anyhow. The Grand Canyon
Click to expand...

I bailed at Huh?

Now you can say LOL.
 
On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 21:43:23 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 9:11:14 PM UTC-8, John Larkin wrote:

Yes, weather and climate are both chaotic and sometimes violent, but ...

Huh? Traditional estimates of climate are just no-change-expected (i.e.
extrapolation) and modern ones like greenhouse gas modeling are
not showing any signs of chaotic character.

Define \'chaotic\' and give an example of some climate element that
fits it. If you can\'t do that, your claim is void.


O\'Shaughnessy Blvd is another canyon cut that is slipping.

And, every cliff everywhere on the planet is evidence of successive
losses off the face into whatever lies below. That\'s something that
occurs sometimes during weather events, but... it was happening slowly
anyhow. The Grand Canyon
Click to expand...

I bailed at Huh?

Now you can say LOL.
 
On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:57:20 PM UTC-8, a a wrote:
> #fake

The world has seen MANY \"climate\" disasters over our know history (you can look them up easily). It is only now that these \"disasters\" are blamed on human activity.
 
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