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By steadily arming Ukraine, Western countries are fueling the prolongation of the Ukraine crisis, from which the United States has primarily...
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Ed Lee
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On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 8:07:10 AM UTC-8, Jan Panteltje wrote:
The result justify the reason.
> We need our own army in the EU, use our own designs, kick US out!!!!
Yes, US wants EU to do more. US has been kicking EU to help kick US out.
On a sunny day (Wed, 22 Feb 2023 15:04:49 +0100) it happened Gerhard Hoffmann
dk...@arcor.de> wrote in <tt57e1$1767p$1...@solani.org>:
Having to choose between Sweden and Norway in the NATO, or
Turkey, I\'d choose Sweden and Norway. Not a millisecond of
doubt. Turkey made it into the NATO because the US needed a
safe place close to Russia because there were no long range
missiles at that time.
A disgusting game, all of that.
NATO is just US imperialism at work.
US\'s only export is weapons, and NATO is used for that,
US creates war in Ukrain, by provoking Russia
just like that other demon-crate Bil Klignon did.
So European weapons go to Ukrain with its insane leader that burns his people
and then the EU countries have to buy new \'merrican crap ones...
The result justify the reason.
> We need our own army in the EU, use our own designs, kick US out!!!!
Yes, US wants EU to do more. US has been kicking EU to help kick US out.
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Sjouke Burry
Guest
On 22.02.23 17:00, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Tell us, what is Putin paying you??
On a sunny day (Wed, 22 Feb 2023 15:04:49 +0100) it happened Gerhard Hoffmann
dk4xp@arcor.de> wrote in <tt57e1$1767p$1@solani.org>:
Cut.
Tell us, what is Putin paying you??
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Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 7:40:52 AM UTC-5, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
That ever so American tank started out as joint venture between Germany and U.S. to develop a common NATO standard battle tank. There was a falling out for some reason, with both parties parting ways. The American designer was Chrysler, and they continued with the final design in the U.S. They obviously borrowed quite a lot, if not all, the design from the German work done on it prior to the separation. Iacocca got fed up with that part of the business and sold it off.
That\'s a typically pro-British slanted article. The so-called Ottoman \"empire\" was more of a geographic entity than anything else, a conglomeration of desolate territories they claimed to own starting in the 14th century. That was from a time when the whole world was filled with little more than rabble. The propagandizing historians like to inflate what was basically nothing at all into \"conquests\" won by massive battles between adversaries. It was nothing like that. The Ottomans would have done okay if WWI happened in the 14th century, but it wasn\'t. They were just a far flung weakling dump of a place, and the Europeans were able to do some damage to remote, horrifically mismanaged, and weak links in their territories. But of course, the British bullshit artists go to work making it sound like all that was a great national victory.
Looks like the Turks kicked out the Europeans shortly after WWI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_War_of_Independence
Ditto with your pathetic brainwashing.
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 11:04:28 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:07:00 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 6:49:08 PM UTC-8, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 1:27:51 PM UTC+11, a a wrote:
\"By steadily arming Ukraine, Western countries are fueling the prolongation of the Ukraine crisis, from which the United States has primarily benefited, a former Turkish diplomat said http://xhtxs.cn/EVp
Ukraine has benefited from not being exterminated and erased from the world.
The alternative would have been to let Russia take over the Ukraine, which wouldn\'t have worried Turkey until Russian had gone on to take over a couple of countries closer to Turkey.
I don\'t know why we would keep a dictatorship like Turkey in NATO. I would not want our kids to die for Turkey.
Turkey historically has been a strong and indispensable member of NATO and ally to the U.S. for over 60 years. The U.S. has had a strong military presence in Turkey with assets such as long range surveillance radar, Air Force and Naval resources to monitor Russian activity on the Black Sea, and even at one point installing nuclear armament to be used against Russia. More recently Turkey permitted the U.S. extensive military staging areas during the Iraq war.
Since 2017 it has been a less attractive partner.
Unlike the useless crowd of socialist bs countries in western Europe, Turkey has invested in developing a strong and capable military.
The ever-so-American Abrams tank has a German gun and British Chobham armour. Turkey is a military pip-squeak compared with Germany.
That ever so American tank started out as joint venture between Germany and U.S. to develop a common NATO standard battle tank. There was a falling out for some reason, with both parties parting ways. The American designer was Chrysler, and they continued with the final design in the U.S. They obviously borrowed quite a lot, if not all, the design from the German work done on it prior to the separation. Iacocca got fed up with that part of the business and sold it off.
Turkey is fearless in dealing with Russia, they don\'t hesitate to neutralize their bad behavior. Turkey has been kicking Russia\'s butt for over 500 years. They also kicked Great Britain\'s butt during WWI.
The British assault on Gallipoli didn\'t go well (and killed my great-uncle). Lawrence of Arabia did rather better, and the Australian Light Horse had at least one notable success that they still celebrate.
https://anzac100.initiatives.qld.gov.au/remember/battle-of-beersheba/index.aspx
The WW1 campaign against the Ottoman Empire was a side show, and the bulk of Ottoman empire ended up divided between the French and the British - it was their butt that ended up thoroughly kicked. After the war Kemal Atatürk ended creating modern Turkey in what had been Anatolia.
https://www.britishcouncil.org/voices-magazine/why-turkey-hasnt-forgotten-about-first-world-war
That\'s a typically pro-British slanted article. The so-called Ottoman \"empire\" was more of a geographic entity than anything else, a conglomeration of desolate territories they claimed to own starting in the 14th century. That was from a time when the whole world was filled with little more than rabble. The propagandizing historians like to inflate what was basically nothing at all into \"conquests\" won by massive battles between adversaries. It was nothing like that. The Ottomans would have done okay if WWI happened in the 14th century, but it wasn\'t. They were just a far flung weakling dump of a place, and the Europeans were able to do some damage to remote, horrifically mismanaged, and weak links in their territories. But of course, the British bullshit artists go to work making it sound like all that was a great national victory.
Looks like the Turks kicked out the Europeans shortly after WWI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_War_of_Independence
Peddle your pathetic ignorance someplace where you won\'t look quite so il-informed.
Ditto with your pathetic brainwashing.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
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Fred Bloggs
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On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 1:03:38 PM UTC-5, Sjouke Burry wrote:
Even Putin distances himself from the lunatic...
On 22.02.23 17:00, Jan Panteltje wrote:
On a sunny day (Wed, 22 Feb 2023 15:04:49 +0100) it happened Gerhard Hoffmann
dk...@arcor.de> wrote in <tt57e1$1767p$1...@solani.org>:
Cut.
Tell us, what is Putin paying you??
Even Putin distances himself from the lunatic...
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Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 9:04:58 AM UTC-5, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote:
Even India bought a bunch of them, the S-400 system. It can only shoot down stealth while they\'re idling on a runway.
https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/s-400-missile-systems-a-booster-dose-with-side-effects/
Apparently Turkey was actually producing F-35s:
Turkey officially kicked out of F-35 program, costing US half a billion dollars
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/07/17/turkey-officially-kicked-out-of-f-35-program/
Dunno what you\'re talking about reconnaissance being kicked out. Turkey is a virtual beehive of U.S. and NATO spy planes surveilling the Ukraine conflict right now 24/7. Incirlik airbase.
https://newatlas.com/military/eyes-sky-natos-e-3-spy-plane-fleet-ukraine/
Those people were attempting to destabilize the government.
You don\'t call people engaged in classically terrorist activities like planting bombs, assassinating officials, and ambushing border patrols, terrorists? Because that\'s what the Kurds are doing.
The Kurds are a ruthlessly murderous people, and that\'s why everyone wants them dead.
Am 22.02.23 um 13:04 schrieb Fred Bloggs:
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:07:00 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 6:49:08 PM UTC-8, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 1:27:51 PM UTC+11, a a wrote:
\"By steadily arming Ukraine, Western countries are fueling the prolongation of the Ukraine crisis, from which the United States has primarily benefited, a former Turkish diplomat said http://xhtxs.cn/EVp
Ukraine has benefited from not being exterminated and erased from the world.
The alternative would have been to let Russia take over the Ukraine, which wouldn\'t have worried Turkey until Russian had gone on to take over a couple of countries closer to Turkey.
I don\'t know why we would keep a dictatorship like Turkey in NATO. I would not want our kids to die for Turkey.
Turkey historically has been a strong and indispensable member of NATO and ally to the U.S. for over 60 years. The U.S. has had a strong military presence in Turkey with assets such as long range surveillance radar, Air Force and Naval resources to monitor Russian activity on the Black Sea, and even at one point installing nuclear armament to be used against Russia. More recently Turkey permitted the U.S. extensive military staging areas during the Iraq war.
Unlike the useless crowd of socialist bs countries in western Europe,
Turkey has invested in developing a strong and capable military. Turkey
is fearless in dealing with Russia, they don\'t hesitate to neutralize
their bad behavior. Turkey has been kicking Russia\'s butt for over 500
years.
Yes, they lost Crimea to the Ruzzians 150 Years ago, which
belonged to none of them.
They also kicked Great Britain\'s butt during WWI.
What a crock of s**t. Do you remember when NATO reconnaissance
planes had to be removed from Turkey to Jordan when the pasha
felt the need for a belch, or when they bought anti-aircraft
missiles from Russia while being on the F-35 program, the goal
#1 for these missiles? Hey, let\'s make a technology swap!
Not that we thanked overwhelmingly to Jordan.
Even India bought a bunch of them, the S-400 system. It can only shoot down stealth while they\'re idling on a runway.
https://www.orfonline.org/expert-speak/s-400-missile-systems-a-booster-dose-with-side-effects/
Apparently Turkey was actually producing F-35s:
Turkey officially kicked out of F-35 program, costing US half a billion dollars
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/07/17/turkey-officially-kicked-out-of-f-35-program/
Dunno what you\'re talking about reconnaissance being kicked out. Turkey is a virtual beehive of U.S. and NATO spy planes surveilling the Ukraine conflict right now 24/7. Incirlik airbase.
https://newatlas.com/military/eyes-sky-natos-e-3-spy-plane-fleet-ukraine/
Everyone from Egypt to Vienna managed to get rid of the Osmans,
only the Kurds did not. OK, the Armenians also did not. They
were mostly extinguished. Now the Kurds are called the terrorists while
they are on the Armenian way of being killed,
and not the Turks, who are the terrorists.
Those people were attempting to destabilize the government.
You don\'t call people engaged in classically terrorist activities like planting bombs, assassinating officials, and ambushing border patrols, terrorists? Because that\'s what the Kurds are doing.
The Kurds are a ruthlessly murderous people, and that\'s why everyone wants them dead.
Having to choose between Sweden and Norway in the NATO, or
Turkey, I\'d choose Sweden and Norway. Not a millisecond of
doubt. Turkey made it into the NATO because the US needed a
safe place close to Russia because there were no long range
missiles at that time.
A disgusting game, all of that.
Gerhard
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Anthony William Sloman
Guest
On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:58:14 AM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
You don\'t seem to have enough brain left for anybody to bother to try to to wash it.
https://www.britishcouncil.org/voices-magazine/why-turkey-hasnt-forgotten-about-first-world-war
When a link is labelled as coming from the British Council it is easy enough to claim that it is presenting a pro-British point of view, rather missing the point that the British Council has to be very careful to look objective. If you had any sense you would have tried to find a more objective write-up to show up it\'s defects - which would have been difficult. Since you don\'t have any sense, you won\'t even have tried.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 7:40:52 AM UTC-5, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 11:04:28 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:07:00 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 6:49:08 PM UTC-8, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 1:27:51 PM UTC+11, a a wrote:
Peddle your pathetic ignorance someplace where you won\'t look quite so il-informed.
Ditto with your pathetic brainwashing.
You don\'t seem to have enough brain left for anybody to bother to try to to wash it.
https://www.britishcouncil.org/voices-magazine/why-turkey-hasnt-forgotten-about-first-world-war
When a link is labelled as coming from the British Council it is easy enough to claim that it is presenting a pro-British point of view, rather missing the point that the British Council has to be very careful to look objective. If you had any sense you would have tried to find a more objective write-up to show up it\'s defects - which would have been difficult. Since you don\'t have any sense, you won\'t even have tried.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
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Anthony William Sloman
Guest
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 1:27:51 PM UTC+11, a a wrote:
> \"By steadily arming Ukraine, Western countries are fueling the prolongation of the Ukraine crisis, from which the United States has primarily benefited, a former Turkish diplomat said http://xhtxs.cn/EVp
The alternative would have been to let Russia take over the Ukraine, which wouldn\'t have worried Turkey until Russian had gone on to take over a couple of countries closer to Turkey.
Some people do understand the problems created by expansionist lunatics. A a doesn\'t seem to be one of them.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
> \"By steadily arming Ukraine, Western countries are fueling the prolongation of the Ukraine crisis, from which the United States has primarily benefited, a former Turkish diplomat said http://xhtxs.cn/EVp
The alternative would have been to let Russia take over the Ukraine, which wouldn\'t have worried Turkey until Russian had gone on to take over a couple of countries closer to Turkey.
Some people do understand the problems created by expansionist lunatics. A a doesn\'t seem to be one of them.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
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Ed Lee
Guest
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 6:49:08 PM UTC-8, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
Ukraine has benefited from not being exterminated and erased from the world.
> The alternative would have been to let Russia take over the Ukraine, which wouldn\'t have worried Turkey until Russian had gone on to take over a couple of countries closer to Turkey.
I don\'t know why we would keep a dictatorship like Turkey in NATO. I would not want our kids to die for Turkey.
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 1:27:51 PM UTC+11, a a wrote:
\"By steadily arming Ukraine, Western countries are fueling the prolongation of the Ukraine crisis, from which the United States has primarily benefited, a former Turkish diplomat said http://xhtxs.cn/EVp
Ukraine has benefited from not being exterminated and erased from the world.
> The alternative would have been to let Russia take over the Ukraine, which wouldn\'t have worried Turkey until Russian had gone on to take over a couple of countries closer to Turkey.
I don\'t know why we would keep a dictatorship like Turkey in NATO. I would not want our kids to die for Turkey.
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a a
Guest
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Yet one more #veryStupidByLowIQaa post.
Yet one more #veryStupidByLowIQaa post.
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Anthony William Sloman
Guest
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 2:07:00 PM UTC+11, Ed Lee wrote:
It\'s not - technically speaking - a dictatorship. Erdogan was elected in 2014. He did change the constitution in 2017 to make his position a lot more powerful, but he could - in theory - get voted out. The recent earthquake has showed up enough of the defects of his regime to make this tolerably likely.
When some building fall over and the buildings next to them don\'t, people do smell corruption (and not just from the bodies buried in the fallen buildings.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 6:49:08 PM UTC-8, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 1:27:51 PM UTC+11, a a wrote:
\"By steadily arming Ukraine, Western countries are fueling the prolongation of the Ukraine crisis, from which the United States has primarily benefited, a former Turkish diplomat said http://xhtxs.cn/EVp
Ukraine has benefited from not being exterminated and erased from the world.
The alternative would have been to let Russia take over the Ukraine, which wouldn\'t have worried Turkey until Russian had gone on to take over a couple of countries closer to Turkey.
I don\'t know why we would keep a dictatorship like Turkey in NATO. I would not want our kids to die for Turkey.
It\'s not - technically speaking - a dictatorship. Erdogan was elected in 2014. He did change the constitution in 2017 to make his position a lot more powerful, but he could - in theory - get voted out. The recent earthquake has showed up enough of the defects of his regime to make this tolerably likely.
When some building fall over and the buildings next to them don\'t, people do smell corruption (and not just from the bodies buried in the fallen buildings.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
F
Fred Bloggs
Guest
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:07:00 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
Turkey historically has been a strong and indispensable member of NATO and ally to the U.S. for over 60 years. The U.S. has had a strong military presence in Turkey with assets such as long range surveillance radar, Air Force and Naval resources to monitor Russian activity on the Black Sea, and even at one point installing nuclear armament to be used against Russia. More recently Turkey permitted the U.S. extensive military staging areas during the Iraq war. Unlike the useless crowd of socialist bs countries in western Europe, Turkey has invested in developing a strong and capable military. Turkey is fearless in dealing with Russia, they don\'t hesitate to neutralize their bad behavior. Turkey has been kicking Russia\'s butt for over 500 years. They also kicked Great Britain\'s butt during WWI.
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 6:49:08 PM UTC-8, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 1:27:51 PM UTC+11, a a wrote:
\"By steadily arming Ukraine, Western countries are fueling the prolongation of the Ukraine crisis, from which the United States has primarily benefited, a former Turkish diplomat said http://xhtxs.cn/EVp
Ukraine has benefited from not being exterminated and erased from the world.
The alternative would have been to let Russia take over the Ukraine, which wouldn\'t have worried Turkey until Russian had gone on to take over a couple of countries closer to Turkey.
I don\'t know why we would keep a dictatorship like Turkey in NATO. I would not want our kids to die for Turkey.
Turkey historically has been a strong and indispensable member of NATO and ally to the U.S. for over 60 years. The U.S. has had a strong military presence in Turkey with assets such as long range surveillance radar, Air Force and Naval resources to monitor Russian activity on the Black Sea, and even at one point installing nuclear armament to be used against Russia. More recently Turkey permitted the U.S. extensive military staging areas during the Iraq war. Unlike the useless crowd of socialist bs countries in western Europe, Turkey has invested in developing a strong and capable military. Turkey is fearless in dealing with Russia, they don\'t hesitate to neutralize their bad behavior. Turkey has been kicking Russia\'s butt for over 500 years. They also kicked Great Britain\'s butt during WWI.
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Anthony William Sloman
Guest
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 11:04:28 PM UTC+11, Fred Bloggs wrote:
Since 2017 it has been a less attractive partner.
> Unlike the useless crowd of socialist bs countries in western Europe, Turkey has invested in developing a strong and capable military.
The ever-so-American Abrams tank has a German gun and British Chobham armour. Turkey is a military pip-squeak compared with Germany.
>Turkey is fearless in dealing with Russia, they don\'t hesitate to neutralize their bad behavior. Turkey has been kicking Russia\'s butt for over 500 years. They also kicked Great Britain\'s butt during WWI.
The British assault on Gallipoli didn\'t go well (and killed my great-uncle).. Lawrence of Arabia did rather better, and the Australian Light Horse had at least one notable success that they still celebrate.
https://anzac100.initiatives.qld.gov.au/remember/battle-of-beersheba/index.aspx
The WW1 campaign against the Ottoman Empire was a side show, and the bulk of Ottoman empire ended up divided between the French and the British - it was their butt that ended up thoroughly kicked. After the war Kemal Atatürk ended creating modern Turkey in what had been Anatolia.
https://www.britishcouncil.org/voices-magazine/why-turkey-hasnt-forgotten-about-first-world-war
Peddle your pathetic ignorance someplace where you won\'t look quite so il-informed.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:07:00 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 6:49:08 PM UTC-8, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 1:27:51 PM UTC+11, a a wrote:
\"By steadily arming Ukraine, Western countries are fueling the prolongation of the Ukraine crisis, from which the United States has primarily benefited, a former Turkish diplomat said http://xhtxs.cn/EVp
Ukraine has benefited from not being exterminated and erased from the world.
The alternative would have been to let Russia take over the Ukraine, which wouldn\'t have worried Turkey until Russian had gone on to take over a couple of countries closer to Turkey.
I don\'t know why we would keep a dictatorship like Turkey in NATO. I would not want our kids to die for Turkey.
Turkey historically has been a strong and indispensable member of NATO and ally to the U.S. for over 60 years. The U.S. has had a strong military presence in Turkey with assets such as long range surveillance radar, Air Force and Naval resources to monitor Russian activity on the Black Sea, and even at one point installing nuclear armament to be used against Russia. More recently Turkey permitted the U.S. extensive military staging areas during the Iraq war.
Since 2017 it has been a less attractive partner.
> Unlike the useless crowd of socialist bs countries in western Europe, Turkey has invested in developing a strong and capable military.
The ever-so-American Abrams tank has a German gun and British Chobham armour. Turkey is a military pip-squeak compared with Germany.
>Turkey is fearless in dealing with Russia, they don\'t hesitate to neutralize their bad behavior. Turkey has been kicking Russia\'s butt for over 500 years. They also kicked Great Britain\'s butt during WWI.
The British assault on Gallipoli didn\'t go well (and killed my great-uncle).. Lawrence of Arabia did rather better, and the Australian Light Horse had at least one notable success that they still celebrate.
https://anzac100.initiatives.qld.gov.au/remember/battle-of-beersheba/index.aspx
The WW1 campaign against the Ottoman Empire was a side show, and the bulk of Ottoman empire ended up divided between the French and the British - it was their butt that ended up thoroughly kicked. After the war Kemal Atatürk ended creating modern Turkey in what had been Anatolia.
https://www.britishcouncil.org/voices-magazine/why-turkey-hasnt-forgotten-about-first-world-war
Peddle your pathetic ignorance someplace where you won\'t look quite so il-informed.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
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Gerhard Hoffmann
Guest
Am 22.02.23 um 13:04 schrieb Fred Bloggs:
Unlike the useless crowd of socialist bs countries in western Europe,
Turkey has invested in developing a strong and capable military. Turkey
is fearless in dealing with Russia, they don\'t hesitate to neutralize
their bad behavior. Turkey has been kicking Russia\'s butt for over 500
years.
Yes, they lost Crimea to the Ruzzians 150 Years ago, which
belonged to none of them.
They also kicked Great Britain\'s butt during WWI.
What a crock of s**t. Do you remember when NATO reconnaissance
planes had to be removed from Turkey to Jordan when the pasha
felt the need for a belch, or when they bought anti-aircraft
missiles from Russia while being on the F-35 program, the goal
#1 for these missiles? Hey, let\'s make a technology swap!
Not that we thanked overwhelmingly to Jordan.
Everyone from Egypt to Vienna managed to get rid of the Osmans,
only the Kurds did not. OK, the Armenians also did not. They
were mostly extinguished. Now the Kurds are called the terrorists while
they are on the Armenian way of being killed,
and not the Turks, who are the terrorists.
Having to choose between Sweden and Norway in the NATO, or
Turkey, I\'d choose Sweden and Norway. Not a millisecond of
doubt. Turkey made it into the NATO because the US needed a
safe place close to Russia because there were no long range
missiles at that time.
A disgusting game, all of that.
Gerhard
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:07:00 PM UTC-5, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 6:49:08 PM UTC-8, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 1:27:51 PM UTC+11, a a wrote:
\"By steadily arming Ukraine, Western countries are fueling the prolongation of the Ukraine crisis, from which the United States has primarily benefited, a former Turkish diplomat said http://xhtxs.cn/EVp
Ukraine has benefited from not being exterminated and erased from the world.
The alternative would have been to let Russia take over the Ukraine, which wouldn\'t have worried Turkey until Russian had gone on to take over a couple of countries closer to Turkey.
I don\'t know why we would keep a dictatorship like Turkey in NATO. I would not want our kids to die for Turkey.
Turkey historically has been a strong and indispensable member of NATO and ally to the U.S. for over 60 years. The U.S. has had a strong military presence in Turkey with assets such as long range surveillance radar, Air Force and Naval resources to monitor Russian activity on the Black Sea, and even at one point installing nuclear armament to be used against Russia. More recently Turkey permitted the U.S. extensive military staging areas during the Iraq war.
Unlike the useless crowd of socialist bs countries in western Europe,
Turkey has invested in developing a strong and capable military. Turkey
is fearless in dealing with Russia, they don\'t hesitate to neutralize
their bad behavior. Turkey has been kicking Russia\'s butt for over 500
years.
Yes, they lost Crimea to the Ruzzians 150 Years ago, which
belonged to none of them.
They also kicked Great Britain\'s butt during WWI.
What a crock of s**t. Do you remember when NATO reconnaissance
planes had to be removed from Turkey to Jordan when the pasha
felt the need for a belch, or when they bought anti-aircraft
missiles from Russia while being on the F-35 program, the goal
#1 for these missiles? Hey, let\'s make a technology swap!
Not that we thanked overwhelmingly to Jordan.
Everyone from Egypt to Vienna managed to get rid of the Osmans,
only the Kurds did not. OK, the Armenians also did not. They
were mostly extinguished. Now the Kurds are called the terrorists while
they are on the Armenian way of being killed,
and not the Turks, who are the terrorists.
Having to choose between Sweden and Norway in the NATO, or
Turkey, I\'d choose Sweden and Norway. Not a millisecond of
doubt. Turkey made it into the NATO because the US needed a
safe place close to Russia because there were no long range
missiles at that time.
A disgusting game, all of that.
Gerhard