Brown stuff on my board...

[Andrew Howard]

I noticed one of the channels on my computer sound system was softer than
the other. I narrowed it down to the amp, and promptly pulled it apart.
One of the capacitors, maybe in the power supply section, seems to have
'leaked'. It has a puddle of dried brown crap surrounding it ,and it covers
one of the main transistors.
What is the brown stuff, and would it cause problems?

Andrew Howard

 

[Dr. Anton Squeegee]

In article <Ks6gb.138288$bo1.72892@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
andtfoot@hotpop.com says...

I noticed one of the channels on my computer sound system was softer than
the other. I narrowed it down to the amp, and promptly pulled it apart.
One of the capacitors, maybe in the power supply section, seems to have
'leaked'. It has a puddle of dried brown crap surrounding it ,and it covers
one of the main transistors.
What is the brown stuff, and would it cause problems?

In sequence: Leaked electrolyte, and yes, it probably could.

My advice would be to first get the capacitor in question out of
there. Next, thoroughly clean the board with 99% isopropyl alcohol (NOT
the 70% or 91% stuff you see at drugstores -- use 99%, aka isopropanol,
available at most electronic supply places including Fry's).

Once the board is clean, replace the capacitor with either a high-
quality electrolytic or a tantalum of similar capacitance and voltage.
If you're not comfortable with, or lack the equipment for, proper
soldering and desoldering, you should recruit assistance from an
experienced technician. Perhaps from whatever ham radio club is local to
you?

Good luck.


--
Dr. Anton Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute
(Known to some as Bruce Lane, KC7GR)
kyrrin a/t bluefeathertech d-o=t c&o&m
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green)

 

[Andrew Howard]

"Dr. Anton Squeegee" <SpammersAreVermin@dev.null> wrote in message...

andtfoot@hotpop.com says...

I noticed one of the channels on my computer sound system was softer
than
the other. I narrowed it down to the amp, and promptly pulled it apart.
One of the capacitors, maybe in the power supply section, seems to have
'leaked'. It has a puddle of dried brown crap surrounding it ,and it
covers
one of the main transistors.
What is the brown stuff, and would it cause problems?

In sequence: Leaked electrolyte, and yes, it probably could.

My advice would be to first get the capacitor in question out of
there. Next, thoroughly clean the board with 99% isopropyl alcohol (NOT
the 70% or 91% stuff you see at drugstores -- use 99%, aka isopropanol,
available at most electronic supply places including Fry's).

Will this affect any other parts on the board, or make the glue covered
everywhere go crappy, etc?

Once the board is clean, replace the capacitor with either a high-
quality electrolytic or a tantalum of similar capacitance and voltage.

Do you think I will need to replace anything else?


Thanks

Andrew Howard

 

[Fritz Schlunder]

"Andrew Howard" <andtfoot@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:Ks6gb.138288$bo1.72892@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

I noticed one of the channels on my computer sound system was softer than
the other. I narrowed it down to the amp, and promptly pulled it apart.
One of the capacitors, maybe in the power supply section, seems to have
'leaked'. It has a puddle of dried brown crap surrounding it ,and it
covers
one of the main transistors.
What is the brown stuff, and would it cause problems?

Andrew Howard

Before doing what Anton Squeegee recommonds, I suggest making certain the
brown stuff really is leaked electrolyte. Quite often brown glues are used
to glue components down for the maufacturing process (makes it so they don't
move around/fall out for soldering and handling). Usually the brown glues
will be shiny and quite hard. If the capacitor really did leak the stuff,
then most likely it will be buldging or otherwise appear quite deformed.
Usually the electrolyte leaves behind a "corroded" appearance.

 

[Andrew Howard]

Before doing what Anton Squeegee recommonds, I suggest making certain the
brown stuff really is leaked electrolyte. Quite often brown glues are
used
to glue components down for the maufacturing process (makes it so they
don't
move around/fall out for soldering and handling). Usually the brown glues
will be shiny and quite hard. If the capacitor really did leak the stuff,
then most likely it will be buldging or otherwise appear quite deformed.
Usually the electrolyte leaves behind a "corroded" appearance.

There is glue on the board, it is stringy, light brown and shiny. The stuff
I am talking about is a dark brown solid in a thin layer covering part of
the board, centralised arouind the capacitor in question.

About the cap, what should I look for, and what should I use to test it? I'm
not sure wether I can get hold of a capacitance meter.

Andrew Howard

 

[JeffM]

Look for a bad seal / hole (may be very tiny) or for more electrolyte residue.
Don't test it. If you suspect it--replace it (they aren't expensive).

The one thing that Bruce left out is that these things are POLAR in nature;
put the + of the new one where the + of the old one was.

"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" == When all else fails, play dead.

 

[Andrew Howard]

"JeffM" <jeffm_@email.com> wrote in message
news:f8b945bc.0310072140.24540b31@posting.google.com...

Look for a bad seal / hole (may be very tiny) or for more electrolyte
residue.
Don't test it. If you suspect it--replace it (they aren't expensive).

The one thing that Bruce left out is that these things are POLAR in
nature;
put the + of the new one where the + of the old one was.

"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" == When all else fails, play dead.

I'm going to replace it, but I would like to know some extra things before I
do anything else. I wrote the questions in a different post, but I will
repeat them here.

Will cleaning it with the isopropanol stuff affect anything else on the
board?

and

Should anything else need replacing?

Thanks for the help so far.
Andrew Howard

 

[JeffM]

Will cleaning it with isopropanol affect anything else

Unlikely. That's why that IT was suggested (comparatively weak solvent).
If you have a white haze left after drying, clean that off with soap & water.

Should anything else need replacing?

Good question. Sometimes it's a process of elimination.

 

[Dr Engelbert Buxbaum]

Dr. Anton Squeegee wrote:

In article <Ks6gb.138288$bo1.72892@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
andtfoot@hotpop.com says...

I noticed one of the channels on my computer sound system was softer than
the other. I narrowed it down to the amp, and promptly pulled it apart.
One of the capacitors, maybe in the power supply section, seems to have
'leaked'. It has a puddle of dried brown crap surrounding it ,and it covers
one of the main transistors.
What is the brown stuff, and would it cause problems?

In sequence: Leaked electrolyte, and yes, it probably could.

My advice would be to first get the capacitor in question out of
there. Next, thoroughly clean the board with 99% isopropyl alcohol (NOT
the 70% or 91% stuff you see at drugstores -- use 99%, aka isopropanol,
available at most electronic supply places including Fry's).

Once the board is clean, replace the capacitor with either a high-
quality electrolytic or a tantalum of similar capacitance and voltage.
If you're not comfortable with, or lack the equipment for, proper
soldering and desoldering, you should recruit assistance from an
experienced technician. Perhaps from whatever ham radio club is local to
you?

I would probably use water to remove the electrolyte (use gloves, as
there may be sodium hydroxide or similar nasties in it). Then either
allow to air dry completely (!), or use isopropanol to remove the water.
Instead of isopropanol, you can use IMS (industrial methylated spirit),
which is cheaper and available in hardware stores. Beware of the fire
hazard with both fluids.

This procedure should be safe unless the board has components where the
water can creep in and not come out again (like transformers).