Brainwave Retarder Relaxes Insominacs

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Watson A.Name - Watt Sun wrote:
In article <dYWcnbmWmc7Pq_iiXTWJkg@buckeye-express.com>, "Mark
Jones" <127.0.0.1> mentioned...
Stepan Novotill wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 02:51:01 GMT, Stepan Novotill
snovotill@hotmail.com> wrote:

By the way, I once wrapped a few turns of house wire around
my head and discharged a bank of four photoflash caps into it
using an SCR. It had no effect on me. Bwaahaahaa!

Good thing you're not a Vietnam vet! :)

I'm just trying to figure out what you meant by that. Is there
something different about them, compared to WW2 vets, or
Desert Storm vets, for instance?
Click to expand...

Well, suppose I should have made that a little more clear... one word ought
to suffice, "Shrapnel..."
 
Fred Nachbaur wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Mark Fergerson wrote:

Watson A.Name - Watt Sun wrote:

Another Weird Science factoid.

From 'Electronics', Oct 6, 1961, P.11

Brainwave Retarder Relaxes Insominacs

In a sorta Wheeler-Feynman analogy, I want a brainwave
_advancer_, dammit!

Mark L. "I'm never awake enough" Fergerson


Just turn the battery around. ;-)

Not safe! The Energizer bunny died that way. Someone put the
batteries in backwards, so instead of going and going and
going, it started coming and coming and coming.

Cheers,
Fred
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Silly wabbit! Tricks are for kids!
 
"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Another Weird Science factoid.

From 'Electronics', Oct 6, 1961, P.11

Brainwave Retarder Relaxes Insominacs

CHICAGO - Relaxing machine for electro-hypnotic
treatment of insomnia and other mild mental
disorders will be displayed at the National
Electronics Conference by the newly-formed
Electronic Polyphase Ionic Corp.

Reportedly redesigned from a Russian invention
of the early 30's, Electroson passes a pulsed
5-mA current from eye-socket electrodes, through
the brain to the base of the skull. The pulses
stimulate brain cells, reducing the flicker
frequency which indicates the brain's level of
excitability, the company says.

Device has been classed as a clinical tool,
for sale to medically qualified persons only.
Early models will use vacuuim tubes, but a
transistor unit is in the prototype stage.




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Are we not all going off subject here? The original poster is stating
that this is something that is newly developed from 1930's Russian work
which would explain the fact that the schematics to the device would use
vacuum tubes but why would an "newly-formed" company still use tubes in this
day & age?

Don't misunderstand me, I know the vacuum tube is still very much alive
& well in almost everybody's modern home today but for this application
there must be much safer ways to duplicate such a device. For anybody that
thinks the vacuum tube is dead just think about what still creates the
picture on most of out TVs & PC monitors? A picture "tube"!

What warms up our leftovers in our microwave ovens? A magnetron "tube"!

What generates the RF in the final stage amplifier of nearly all high
power radio & TV broadcast stations"? A huge water cooled "tube"!

The list goes on but I think this illustrates my point. Tubes certainly
do have their place but nearly all low power functions can be done better &
safer with solid-state components so why use tubes for this function other
than to recreate the original model for electronic "baseline analysis"?

Why offer a potentially dangerous & old device when 1 should be able to
simply build & offer a solid-state version with minimum effort?

Electromagnetics is nothing new in the medical field. NMRIs for example
& there have even been devices built & used to put animals to sleep for
surgery without drugs, their risks & side effects by placing their heads
under a very large electromagnetic field coil but I have to wonder why they
never approved them for humans. Maybe the medical field did not what
something so simple & safe out there that would replace a Doctor, an
Anastigiologist.

Just my 2 cents worth, DHB
 
You didn't read the post correctly. It was from the October 6 issue
1961 of the the magazine 'Electronics'.

perhaps a little cerebral stimulation in order?

Al

DHB wrote:
"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.19ce2b02699ca709896a8@news.dslextreme.com...

Another Weird Science factoid.

From 'Electronics', Oct 6, 1961, P.11

Brainwave Retarder Relaxes Insominacs

CHICAGO - Relaxing machine for electro-hypnotic
treatment of insomnia and other mild mental
disorders will be displayed at the National
Electronics Conference by the newly-formed
Electronic Polyphase Ionic Corp.

Reportedly redesigned from a Russian invention
of the early 30's, Electroson passes a pulsed
5-mA current from eye-socket electrodes, through
the brain to the base of the skull. The pulses
stimulate brain cells, reducing the flicker
frequency which indicates the brain's level of
excitability, the company says.

Device has been classed as a clinical tool,
for sale to medically qualified persons only.
Early models will use vacuuim tubes, but a
transistor unit is in the prototype stage.



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Are we not all going off subject here? The original poster is stating
that this is something that is newly developed from 1930's Russian work
which would explain the fact that the schematics to the device would use
vacuum tubes but why would an "newly-formed" company still use tubes in this
day & age?

Don't misunderstand me, I know the vacuum tube is still very much alive
& well in almost everybody's modern home today but for this application
there must be much safer ways to duplicate such a device. For anybody that
thinks the vacuum tube is dead just think about what still creates the
picture on most of out TVs & PC monitors? A picture "tube"!

What warms up our leftovers in our microwave ovens? A magnetron "tube"!

What generates the RF in the final stage amplifier of nearly all high
power radio & TV broadcast stations"? A huge water cooled "tube"!

The list goes on but I think this illustrates my point. Tubes certainly
do have their place but nearly all low power functions can be done better &
safer with solid-state components so why use tubes for this function other
than to recreate the original model for electronic "baseline analysis"?

Why offer a potentially dangerous & old device when 1 should be able to
simply build & offer a solid-state version with minimum effort?

Electromagnetics is nothing new in the medical field. NMRIs for example
& there have even been devices built & used to put animals to sleep for
surgery without drugs, their risks & side effects by placing their heads
under a very large electromagnetic field coil but I have to wonder why they
never approved them for humans. Maybe the medical field did not what
something so simple & safe out there that would replace a Doctor, an
Anastigiologist.

Just my 2 cents worth, DHB
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In article <xXqdndPZfbqJEvuiU-KYvw@buckeye-express.com>, "Mark Jones"
<127.0.0.1> mentioned...
Watson A.Name - Watt Sun wrote:
In article <dYWcnbmWmc7Pq_iiXTWJkg@buckeye-express.com>, "Mark
Jones" <127.0.0.1> mentioned...
Stepan Novotill wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 02:51:01 GMT, Stepan Novotill
snovotill@hotmail.com> wrote:

By the way, I once wrapped a few turns of house wire around
my head and discharged a bank of four photoflash caps into it
using an SCR. It had no effect on me. Bwaahaahaa!

Good thing you're not a Vietnam vet! :)

I'm just trying to figure out what you meant by that. Is there
something different about them, compared to WW2 vets, or
Desert Storm vets, for instance?


Well, suppose I should have made that a little more clear... one word ought
to suffice, "Shrapnel..."
Click to expand...
Like, avoid having an MRI scan..


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Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
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In article <AMy9b.18799$Aq2.16222@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
yoda2k@eartlink.net mentioned...

"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.19ce2b02699ca709896a8@news.dslextreme.com...
Another Weird Science factoid.

From 'Electronics', Oct 6, 1961, P.11

Brainwave Retarder Relaxes Insominacs

CHICAGO - Relaxing machine for electro-hypnotic
treatment of insomnia and other mild mental
disorders will be displayed at the National
Electronics Conference by the newly-formed
Electronic Polyphase Ionic Corp.

Reportedly redesigned from a Russian invention
of the early 30's, Electroson passes a pulsed
5-mA current from eye-socket electrodes, through
the brain to the base of the skull. The pulses
stimulate brain cells, reducing the flicker
frequency which indicates the brain's level of
excitability, the company says.

Device has been classed as a clinical tool,
for sale to medically qualified persons only.
Early models will use vacuuim tubes, but a
transistor unit is in the prototype stage.



Are we not all going off subject here? The original poster is stating
that this is something that is newly developed from 1930's Russian work
which would explain the fact that the schematics to the device would use
vacuum tubes but why would an "newly-formed" company still use tubes in this
day & age?
Click to expand...
Didn't you notice that the article is from a 1961 magazine?

Just my 2 cents worth, DHB
Click to expand...
[blah snipped]


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Don't be ripped off by the big book dealers. Go to the URL
that will give you a choice and save you money(up to half).
http://www.everybookstore.com You'll be glad you did!
Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
changed it: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
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Sorry,
your all correct, I did speed read the post & obviously did not
notice the original post date reference. As for the possibility of not
requiring an anesthesiologist, if the procedure were proven safe enough
perhaps a qualified nurse night suffice.

Just my 2 cents worth which I admit is not worth what it used to be!

DHB


"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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In article <AMy9b.18799$Aq2.16222@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
yoda2k@eartlink.net mentioned...

"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.19ce2b02699ca709896a8@news.dslextreme.com...
Another Weird Science factoid.

From 'Electronics', Oct 6, 1961, P.11

Brainwave Retarder Relaxes Insominacs

CHICAGO - Relaxing machine for electro-hypnotic
treatment of insomnia and other mild mental
disorders will be displayed at the National
Electronics Conference by the newly-formed
Electronic Polyphase Ionic Corp.

Reportedly redesigned from a Russian invention
of the early 30's, Electroson passes a pulsed
5-mA current from eye-socket electrodes, through
the brain to the base of the skull. The pulses
stimulate brain cells, reducing the flicker
frequency which indicates the brain's level of
excitability, the company says.

Device has been classed as a clinical tool,
for sale to medically qualified persons only.
Early models will use vacuuim tubes, but a
transistor unit is in the prototype stage.



Are we not all going off subject here? The original poster is
stating
that this is something that is newly developed from 1930's Russian work
which would explain the fact that the schematics to the device would use
vacuum tubes but why would an "newly-formed" company still use tubes in
this
day & age?

Didn't you notice that the article is from a 1961 magazine?

Just my 2 cents worth, DHB

[blah snipped]


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goes directly to the trash unless you add NOSPAM in the
Subject: line with other stuff. alondra101 <at> hotmail.com
Don't be ripped off by the big book dealers. Go to the URL
that will give you a choice and save you money(up to half).
http://www.everybookstore.com You'll be glad you did!
Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
changed it: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
@@t@h@e@@a@f@f@l@u@e@n@t@@m@e@e@t@@t@h@e@@E@f@f@l@u@e@n@t@@
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:09:54 -0700, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun"
<alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, suppose I should have made that a little more clear... one word ought
to suffice, "Shrapnel..."

Like, avoid having an MRI scan..

MRI is a large static field (0.5 to 1.5 Tesla) with a less intense
Click to expand...
dynamic field superimposed. The dynamic field, although not that
strong, is in the audio frequency range, and causes metal particles to
vibrate. The vibration causes these particles to travel within your
flesh under the ifluence of the static field. Very dangerous.
....Stepan
 
In article <u69imvo9alvba3oavkv3ff3qm1s0tobiph@4ax.com>,
snovotill@hotmail.com mentioned...
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:09:54 -0700, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun"
alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote:


Well, suppose I should have made that a little more clear... one word ought
to suffice, "Shrapnel..."

Like, avoid having an MRI scan..

MRI is a large static field (0.5 to 1.5 Tesla) with a less intense
dynamic field superimposed. The dynamic field, although not that
strong, is in the audio frequency range, and causes metal particles to
vibrate. The vibration causes these particles to travel within your
flesh under the ifluence of the static field. Very dangerous.
...Stepan
Click to expand...
Didn't know that. But I read that Someone got killed when an oxygen
tank near the machine wasn't secured.. Floop!


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Don't be ripped off by the big book dealers. Go to the URL
that will give you a choice and save you money(up to half).
http://www.everybookstore.com You'll be glad you did!
Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
changed it: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 03:09:36 -0700, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun"
<alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote:

In article <u69imvo9alvba3oavkv3ff3qm1s0tobiph@4ax.com>,
snovotill@hotmail.com mentioned...
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:09:54 -0700, Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun"
alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote:


Well, suppose I should have made that a little more clear... one word ought
to suffice, "Shrapnel..."

Like, avoid having an MRI scan..

MRI is a large static field (0.5 to 1.5 Tesla) with a less intense
dynamic field superimposed. The dynamic field, although not that
strong, is in the audio frequency range, and causes metal particles to
vibrate. The vibration causes these particles to travel within your
flesh under the ifluence of the static field. Very dangerous.
...Stepan

Didn't know that. But I read that Someone got killed when an oxygen
tank near the machine wasn't secured.. Floop!
Click to expand...
This had to have been human error. Aluminum cased oxygen tanks with a
special internal lining are supposed to be used in MRI rooms. Even
releasing a (canadian) dime, nickel or quarter near the magnet bore
containing a patient can be dangerous because of the tremendous
acceleration. The newer magnets are all wound in such a way that they
are self sheilding so there is not that much magnetic field outside of
the bore. The one I worked on 10 years ago was not self shielding. I
ruined a few pagers by getting in the vicinity of the magnet. It
completely demagnetized the beeper so you could bearly hear it when it
beeped. I would walk into the paging company to get it exchanged and
they would be baffled. If you took a 1 square foot sheet of aluminum
you could stand it up in the boar on an edge, and it would stay at a
45 degree angle, and then slowly lay down over the course of a minute
or so. Eddy currents. If you tried to move it fast, it could just
bend. I was an MRI repair technician ten years ago.
 
Sounds similar to a NES (NeuroElectric Stimulator) or NeuroPhone.

But the majority of induhviduals I meet in day-to-day life
actually need the opposite of a brain retarder, if you know
what I mean. ;-}

I'd like to try some Neurophone experiments, and stuff like
Kirlian photography of amputees' phantom limbs and stuff.

Cheers!
Rich

Watson A.Name - Watt Sun wrote:

Another Weird Science factoid.

From 'Electronics', Oct 6, 1961, P.11

Brainwave Retarder Relaxes Insominacs

CHICAGO - Relaxing machine for electro-hypnotic
treatment of insomnia and other mild mental
disorders will be displayed at the National
Electronics Conference by the newly-formed
Electronic Polyphase Ionic Corp.

Reportedly redesigned from a Russian invention
of the early 30's, Electroson passes a pulsed
5-mA current from eye-socket electrodes, through
the brain to the base of the skull. The pulses
stimulate brain cells, reducing the flicker
frequency which indicates the brain's level of
excitability, the company says.

Device has been classed as a clinical tool,
for sale to medically qualified persons only.
Early models will use vacuuim tubes, but a
transistor unit is in the prototype stage.
Click to expand...
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Sounds similar to a NES (NeuroElectric Stimulator) or NeuroPhone.

But the majority of induhviduals I meet in day-to-day life
actually need the opposite of a brain retarder, if you know
what I mean. ;-}

I'd like to try some Neurophone experiments, and stuff like
Kirlian photography of amputees' phantom limbs and stuff.

Cheers!
Rich

Watson A.Name - Watt Sun wrote:

Another Weird Science factoid.

From 'Electronics', Oct 6, 1961, P.11

Brainwave Retarder Relaxes Insominacs

CHICAGO - Relaxing machine for electro-hypnotic
treatment of insomnia and other mild mental
disorders will be displayed at the National
Electronics Conference by the newly-formed
Electronic Polyphase Ionic Corp.

Reportedly redesigned from a Russian invention
of the early 30's, Electroson passes a pulsed
5-mA current from eye-socket electrodes, through
the brain to the base of the skull. The pulses
stimulate brain cells, reducing the flicker
frequency which indicates the brain's level of
excitability, the company says.

Device has been classed as a clinical tool,
for sale to medically qualified persons only.
Early models will use vacuuim tubes, but a
transistor unit is in the prototype stage.
Click to expand...
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Yes, there is. All the rest of them _wanted_ to be there, killing
and pillaging. During 'Nam, folks had the benefit of the Age of
Aquarius, and wanted to stop the endless cycle of plunder, murder,
rape, and revenge.

But, like most Peace Lovers, they were crushed by The Machine.

Good Luck!
Rich

Watson A.Name - Watt Sun wrote:

In article <dYWcnbmWmc7Pq_iiXTWJkg@buckeye-express.com>, "Mark Jones"
127.0.0.1> mentioned...
Good thing you're not a Vietnam vet! :)


I'm just trying to figure out what you meant by that. Is there
something different about them, compared to WW2 vets, or Desert Storm
vets, for instance?
Click to expand...
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