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DaveC
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That crazy Ozzie is at it again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRf9JTg3QwA
Fascinating...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRf9JTg3QwA
Fascinating...
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Jan Panteltje
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On a sunny day (Fri, 16 Aug 2013 21:59:11 -0700) it happened DaveC
<invalid@invalid.net> wrote in
<0001HW.CE34512F009F91F0B01029BF@news.eternal-september.org>:
Nice,
facinating,
I just measured the weight of 3 eneloop AAA cells.
2 good ones measure 11.77 and 11.72 gram, fully charged
and one that is bad (high Ri) also charged, measured 12.28 gram
?????
Later I will measure one of these good ones when it is empty.
The bad one (that is heavier!) bounces more...
????
<invalid@invalid.net> wrote in
<0001HW.CE34512F009F91F0B01029BF@news.eternal-september.org>:
That crazy Ozzie is at it again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRf9JTg3QwA
Fascinating...
Nice,
facinating,
I just measured the weight of 3 eneloop AAA cells.
2 good ones measure 11.77 and 11.72 gram, fully charged
and one that is bad (high Ri) also charged, measured 12.28 gram
?????
Later I will measure one of these good ones when it is empty.
The bad one (that is heavier!) bounces more...
????
R
Robert Baer
Guest
Jan Panteltje wrote:
shows that the lost electrons have NEGATIVE weight due to the NEGATIVE
charge.
Now combine these effects with a cyclo-magnetic positronator, and one
can make either a neg-energy generator, or a graviotometric repellor
(AKA anti-gravity machine).
Shows that electrons have more mass due to less bounce; heaver cellOn a sunny day (Fri, 16 Aug 2013 21:59:11 -0700) it happened DaveC
invalid@invalid.net> wrote in
0001HW.CE34512F009F91F0B01029BF@news.eternal-september.org>:
That crazy Ozzie is at it again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRf9JTg3QwA
Fascinating...
Nice,
facinating,
I just measured the weight of 3 eneloop AAA cells.
2 good ones measure 11.77 and 11.72 gram, fully charged
and one that is bad (high Ri) also charged, measured 12.28 gram
?????
Later I will measure one of these good ones when it is empty.
The bad one (that is heavier!) bounces more...
????
shows that the lost electrons have NEGATIVE weight due to the NEGATIVE
charge.
Now combine these effects with a cyclo-magnetic positronator, and one
can make either a neg-energy generator, or a graviotometric repellor
(AKA anti-gravity machine).
J
Jan Panteltje
Guest
On a sunny day (Sat, 17 Aug 2013 05:45:55 GMT) it happened Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in <kun2mr$o3g$1@news.albasani.net>:
OK, follow up.
Eneloop (those are rechargeable NiMH BTW) do no show a weight difference between full and empty.
A defective one is heavier (this was overcharged in a ^!@%&^!@%duracell charger, it killed several eneloops,
using a different charger now).
The extra weight is probably caused by some chemical reaction grabbing something from the air,
water? CO2? Now that would trigger all them climate idiots,
store CO2 in batteries LOL.
Really do not know, but it is heavier...
Forgot to do the bounce test on the empty one...
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote in <kun2mr$o3g$1@news.albasani.net>:
On a sunny day (Fri, 16 Aug 2013 21:59:11 -0700) it happened DaveC
invalid@invalid.net> wrote in
0001HW.CE34512F009F91F0B01029BF@news.eternal-september.org>:
That crazy Ozzie is at it again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRf9JTg3QwA
Fascinating...
Nice,
facinating,
I just measured the weight of 3 eneloop AAA cells.
2 good ones measure 11.77 and 11.72 gram, fully charged
and one that is bad (high Ri) also charged, measured 12.28 gram
?????
Later I will measure one of these good ones when it is empty.
The bad one (that is heavier!) bounces more...
????
OK, follow up.
Eneloop (those are rechargeable NiMH BTW) do no show a weight difference between full and empty.
A defective one is heavier (this was overcharged in a ^!@%&^!@%duracell charger, it killed several eneloops,
using a different charger now).
The extra weight is probably caused by some chemical reaction grabbing something from the air,
water? CO2? Now that would trigger all them climate idiots,
store CO2 in batteries LOL.
Really do not know, but it is heavier...
Forgot to do the bounce test on the empty one...
R
Robert Roland
Guest
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 05:14:21 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Forgot to do the bounce test on the empty one...
The video mentions alkaline batteries. The Eneloop is a NiMH
rechargable battery.
Rechargable batteries have a safety valve that will blow off gas if
the battery is greatly overcharged. This would suggest that a fully
charged battery has more gas in it than a discharged one. If that is
correct, it would follow that fully charged battery should bounce more
than an empty one.
--
RoRo
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Forgot to do the bounce test on the empty one...
The video mentions alkaline batteries. The Eneloop is a NiMH
rechargable battery.
Rechargable batteries have a safety valve that will blow off gas if
the battery is greatly overcharged. This would suggest that a fully
charged battery has more gas in it than a discharged one. If that is
correct, it would follow that fully charged battery should bounce more
than an empty one.
--
RoRo
J
Jan Panteltje
Guest
On a sunny day (Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:00:54 +0200) it happened Robert Roland
<fake@ddress.no> wrote in <v611191k8v478di73bm578reuohf0j23q4@4ax.com>:
Yes I mentioned that.
If so it is not detectable on my scales (resolution 10 grams)
I have a more sensitive one too, but those batteries are too heavy for it.
Would have to set up some differential measurement method, but not interesting enough.
But a balloon full of gas, the right gas, helium or hydrogen for example, will measure lighter.
Even hot air will do.
;-)
Well try it, would make interesting youtube.
<fake@ddress.no> wrote in <v611191k8v478di73bm578reuohf0j23q4@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 05:14:21 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
Forgot to do the bounce test on the empty one...
The video mentions alkaline batteries. The Eneloop is a NiMH
rechargable battery.
Yes I mentioned that.
If so it is not detectable on my scales (resolution 10 grams)
I have a more sensitive one too, but those batteries are too heavy for it.
Would have to set up some differential measurement method, but not interesting enough.
Rechargable batteries have a safety valve that will blow off gas if
the battery is greatly overcharged. This would suggest that a fully
charged battery has more gas in it than a discharged one.
But a balloon full of gas, the right gas, helium or hydrogen for example, will measure lighter.
Even hot air will do.
;-)
If that is
correct, it would follow that fully charged battery should bounce more
than an empty one.
Well try it, would make interesting youtube.
G
Gareth Magennis
Guest
"Jan Panteltje" wrote in message news:kuq5u5$k3p$1@news.albasani.net...
On a sunny day (Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:00:54 +0200) it happened Robert Roland
<fake@ddress.no> wrote in <v611191k8v478di73bm578reuohf0j23q4@4ax.com>:
Yes I mentioned that.
If so it is not detectable on my scales (resolution 10 grams)
I have a more sensitive one too, but those batteries are too heavy for it.
Would have to set up some differential measurement method, but not
interesting enough.
But a balloon full of gas, the right gas, helium or hydrogen for example,
will measure lighter.
Even hot air will do.
;-)
Is it not more the case that the amount of bounce has more to do with the
shock waves moving through the medium inside the battery, rather than the
actual mass of the battery?
e.g. a battery full of a glass-like medium would bounce more than if that
same medium was changed by chemical reaction into a more jelly type medium?
Cheers,
Gareth.
On a sunny day (Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:00:54 +0200) it happened Robert Roland
<fake@ddress.no> wrote in <v611191k8v478di73bm578reuohf0j23q4@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 05:14:21 GMT, Jan Panteltje
pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
Forgot to do the bounce test on the empty one...
The video mentions alkaline batteries. The Eneloop is a NiMH
rechargable battery.
Yes I mentioned that.
If so it is not detectable on my scales (resolution 10 grams)
I have a more sensitive one too, but those batteries are too heavy for it.
Would have to set up some differential measurement method, but not
interesting enough.
Rechargable batteries have a safety valve that will blow off gas if
the battery is greatly overcharged. This would suggest that a fully
charged battery has more gas in it than a discharged one.
But a balloon full of gas, the right gas, helium or hydrogen for example,
will measure lighter.
Even hot air will do.
;-)
If that is
correct, it would follow that fully charged battery should bounce more
than an empty one.
Is it not more the case that the amount of bounce has more to do with the
shock waves moving through the medium inside the battery, rather than the
actual mass of the battery?
e.g. a battery full of a glass-like medium would bounce more than if that
same medium was changed by chemical reaction into a more jelly type medium?
Cheers,
Gareth.
J
Jan Panteltje
Guest
On a sunny day (Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:00:54 +0200) it happened Robert Roland
<fake@ddress.no> wrote in <v611191k8v478di73bm578reuohf0j23q4@4ax.com>:
<fake@ddress.no> wrote in <v611191k8v478di73bm578reuohf0j23q4@4ax.com>:
If so it is not detectable on my scales (resolution 10 grams)
Typo, 10 milli gram
R
Robert Roland
Guest
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:35:19 +0100, "Gareth Magennis"
<gareth.magennis@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Yes, exactly. Gas is compressible and elastic, while liquids are not.
Try filling a football with water and see the difference.
In Kip Kay's video which Dave Jones refers to, it is also mentioned:
http://kipkay.com/episodes/amazing-way-to-test-batteries/
--
RoRo
<gareth.magennis@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Is it not more the case that the amount of bounce has more to do with the
shock waves moving through the medium inside the battery, rather than the
actual mass of the battery?
Yes, exactly. Gas is compressible and elastic, while liquids are not.
Try filling a football with water and see the difference.
In Kip Kay's video which Dave Jones refers to, it is also mentioned:
http://kipkay.com/episodes/amazing-way-to-test-batteries/
--
RoRo
Guest
I think a careful examination of the end caps will show that there is indeed gas pressure in the discharged cells. This would cause the bounce. The amount an object will bounce off a hard (supposedly) surface is not related only to its elasticity, there are other factors.
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DaveC
Guest
Is it not more the case that the amount of bounce has more to do with the
shock waves moving through the medium inside the battery, rather than the
actual mass of the battery?
e.g. a battery full of a glass-like medium would bounce more than if that
same medium was changed by chemical reaction into a more jelly type medium?
Weight difference cannot be ignored. Maybe both weight and density play
roles?