botching together a power supply -9v 0v 9v 18v without killi

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bengo

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hi

maybe someone could help me?

i've got to make a power supply for an old synth, that needs:

200mA at -9v 0v 9v and 18v.

i was hoping i could do it as a botch job, by connecting three 9v
adaptors together in series, but i just can't see how i could make the
-9v and stop it being 0, 9, 18, and 27.

how about if i stuck an off the shelf voltage regulator on the lead
i'll take off between the second and third 9v power adaptor, and set
that to 9v, will that force the rest of the outputs into line?

i'm really keen not to have to break out the calculator and soldering
iron to build a string of voltage regulator zener diode circuits
because i'm really busyat the moment. i'm also keen not to wire up the
0v line to the earth as i suspect that will keep tripping the fuse,
introduce extra noise, and possibly also kill me. maybe i'm just
paranoid.

any help gratefully received, email or here!

bengo
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that bengo <bigben@dsl.pipex.com> wrote
(in <b7901337.0404011107.682ca389@posting.google.com>) about 'botching
together a power supply -9v 0v 9v 18v without killing myself', on Thu, 1
Apr 2004:
i've got to make a power supply for an old synth, that needs:

200mA at -9v 0v 9v and 18v.

i was hoping i could do it as a botch job, by connecting three 9v
adaptors together in series, but i just can't see how i could make the
-9v and stop it being 0, 9, 18, and 27.
Click to expand...
If these adaptors have fully isolated outputs (no ground connections),
the you just take the junction between the first and second as '0 V'.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:b2Ez7WKq4GbAFwCQ@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that bengo <bigben@dsl.pipex.com> wrote
(in <b7901337.0404011107.682ca389@posting.google.com>) about 'botching
together a power supply -9v 0v 9v 18v without killing myself', on Thu, 1
Apr 2004:
i've got to make a power supply for an old synth, that needs:

200mA at -9v 0v 9v and 18v.

i was hoping i could do it as a botch job, by connecting three 9v
adaptors together in series, but i just can't see how i could make the
-9v and stop it being 0, 9, 18, and 27.

If these adaptors have fully isolated outputs (no ground connections),
the you just take the junction between the first and second as '0 V'.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
Click to expand...
But, take care to make sure that these are regulated adapters. Your +18V
could quite easily reach +25V or more if they are unregulated. The 9V can
also reach 12 - 13V. While the synth will probably cope with the extra
volts, you don't want to discover that it can't by plugging in an
unregulated PSU
 
i'll check its not over with a multimeter i guess.

i know i'm being dumb, i just dont get how it wont be 0v 9v 18v and
27v if i put them in series without doing something cunning to earth
the 9v into 0v and make the whole lot -9v 0v 9v 18v.

i'm sure i used to be clever. i'm just being thick about this.

b



"soundman" <ph@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:<406c895d_6@news.athenanews.com>...
"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:b2Ez7WKq4GbAFwCQ@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that bengo <bigben@dsl.pipex.com> wrote
(in <b7901337.0404011107.682ca389@posting.google.com>) about 'botching
together a power supply -9v 0v 9v 18v without killing myself', on Thu, 1
Apr 2004:
i've got to make a power supply for an old synth, that needs:

200mA at -9v 0v 9v and 18v.

i was hoping i could do it as a botch job, by connecting three 9v
adaptors together in series, but i just can't see how i could make the
-9v and stop it being 0, 9, 18, and 27.

If these adaptors have fully isolated outputs (no ground connections),
the you just take the junction between the first and second as '0 V'.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

But, take care to make sure that these are regulated adapters. Your +18V
could quite easily reach +25V or more if they are unregulated. The 9V can
also reach 12 - 13V. While the synth will probably cope with the extra
volts, you don't want to discover that it can't by plugging in an
unregulated PSU
Click to expand...
 
bengo wrote:
i'll check its not over with a multimeter i guess.

i know i'm being dumb, i just dont get how it wont be 0v 9v 18v and
27v if i put them in series without doing something cunning to earth
the 9v into 0v and make the whole lot -9v 0v 9v 18v.

i'm sure i used to be clever. i'm just being thick about this.

b
----------------
Click to expand...
Yes you are.

Voltage is NOT an absolute, it's relative. If you connect them
plus to minus, all in series, and if you simply SAY that the first
node from the end is zero volts, then that IS what it will act
like IF YOU CONNECT IT TO YOUR DEVICE THAT WAY!!

When you connect 4 batteries or PSUs in series, they do NOT have
absolute voltages, they are relative to each other ONLY, they can
be said to be 0, 9, 18, 27 *OR* -9, 0, 9, 18, *OR* -18, -9, 0, 9
*OR* -27, -18, -9, 0, if you connect the "0" Volts as your ground!!

It can even be -54, -45, -36, -27 if you stand it off of the
ground with yet another supply by -27 Volts!!

-Steve
--
-Steve Walz rstevew@armory.com ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
Electronics Site!! 1000's of Files and Dirs!! With Schematics Galore!!
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew or http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public


"soundman" <ph@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:<406c895d_6@news.athenanews.com>...
"John Woodgate" <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message
news:b2Ez7WKq4GbAFwCQ@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
I read in sci.electronics.design that bengo <bigben@dsl.pipex.com> wrote
(in <b7901337.0404011107.682ca389@posting.google.com>) about 'botching
together a power supply -9v 0v 9v 18v without killing myself', on Thu, 1
Apr 2004:
i've got to make a power supply for an old synth, that needs:

200mA at -9v 0v 9v and 18v.

i was hoping i could do it as a botch job, by connecting three 9v
adaptors together in series, but i just can't see how i could make the
-9v and stop it being 0, 9, 18, and 27.

If these adaptors have fully isolated outputs (no ground connections),
the you just take the junction between the first and second as '0 V'.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk

But, take care to make sure that these are regulated adapters. Your +18V
could quite easily reach +25V or more if they are unregulated. The 9V can
also reach 12 - 13V. While the synth will probably cope with the extra
volts, you don't want to discover that it can't by plugging in an
unregulated PSU
Click to expand...
 
I read in sci.electronics.design that bengo <bigben@dsl.pipex.com> wrote
(in <b7901337.0404022040.ff2eed2@posting.google.com>) about 'botching
together a power supply -9v 0v 9v 18v without killing myself', on Fri, 2
Apr 2004:
i'll check its not over with a multimeter i guess.

i know i'm being dumb, i just dont get how it wont be 0v 9v 18v and
27v if i put them in series without doing something cunning to earth
the 9v into 0v and make the whole lot -9v 0v 9v 18v.

i'm sure i used to be clever. i'm just being thick about this.
Click to expand...
There is no 'absolute' 0 V. 0 V is where you SAY it is. If you connect
the junction of supplies 1 and 2 to the common rail of your circuit, the
other output of supply 1 will be at -9 V *relative* to your common rail.
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only.
The good news is that nothing is compulsory.
The bad news is that everything is prohibited.
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
 
any suggestions about what current the adaptors should be?

b


John Woodgate <jmw@jmwa.demon.contraspam.yuk> wrote in message news:<nVDMDbC2HnbAFw3v@jmwa.demon.co.uk>...
I read in sci.electronics.design that bengo <bigben@dsl.pipex.com> wrote
(in <b7901337.0404022040.ff2eed2@posting.google.com>) about 'botching
together a power supply -9v 0v 9v 18v without killing myself', on Fri, 2
Apr 2004:
i'll check its not over with a multimeter i guess.

i know i'm being dumb, i just dont get how it wont be 0v 9v 18v and
27v if i put them in series without doing something cunning to earth
the 9v into 0v and make the whole lot -9v 0v 9v 18v.

i'm sure i used to be clever. i'm just being thick about this.

There is no 'absolute' 0 V. 0 V is where you SAY it is. If you connect
the junction of supplies 1 and 2 to the common rail of your circuit, the
other output of supply 1 will be at -9 V *relative* to your common rail.
Click to expand...
 
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