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Trevor Wilson

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I just finish my ESR meter (about 3 years ago) and you go and design a new
one. Bastard. Now I suppose I'll have to build one of those too.

BTW: Did you ever buy your MP3/CD player for your car?


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 06:02:15 GMT, "Trevor Wilson"
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

I just finish my ESR meter (about 3 years ago) and you go and design a new
one. Bastard. Now I suppose I'll have to build one of those too.
That thing has got me out of more scrapes than American Express or
organized religion.
M
 
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au>

I just finish my ESR meter (about 3 years ago) and you go and design a new
one. Bastard. Now I suppose I'll have to build one of those too.
** Where is this "new one" - no sign on the SC site ?


BTW It must be an issue with obsolete parts - the old ESR meter needed
no upgrading.





........... Phil
 
"Phil Allison" <philallison@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:4039daf3$0$4260$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au


I just finish my ESR meter (about 3 years ago) and you go and design a
new
one. Bastard. Now I suppose I'll have to build one of those too.


** Where is this "new one" - no sign on the SC site ?
**Well, for the first time, I actually got my SC BEFORE the newsagents did.
Yes, it is a new one.

BTW It must be an issue with obsolete parts - the old ESR meter
needed
no upgrading.
**It has a few more features and a new decal to reflect modern caps. It can
do in-circuit testing, due to the low output Voltage.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
G'day Trevor (and everyone),
I didn't think anyone knew about it. I haven't got my copy of SC
yet. :(
Relax. It's nearly all cosmetic! The circuitry's unchanged.
Different push button and more accurate figures on the front panel
chart. Lessee....what else....? Auto switch off time's increased a
bit. PCB is silk screened and solder masked. Now uses 6 AAA cells
instead of 9V alkaline battery, not because of battery life but
because so many people couldn't figure out how to hold the battery in
place!
Probably the biggest difference is that the micro can do some
testing of the circuitry to localize construction faults. If yours is
working, that's irrelevant. It doesn't flash "EA" when you switch it
on, now. Not with "Silicone Chimp" scrawled across the front! :)
If you've already got one of the EA meters, you're not missing
much. Still the same accuracy and in-circuit measuring etc.
Now Trevor's really going to hate me. I asked around amongst my
mates about car MP3 players. Everyone said "Get a Kenwood because
they're terrific and they never break down!!". Went to Strathfield Car
Radio to have a look at one, and they made me an offer I couldn't
refuse. So I installed it. Works really well.
I hope you'll still talk to me anyway. :)

Cheers,
Bob



"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

I just finish my ESR meter (about 3 years ago) and you go and design a new
one. Bastard. Now I suppose I'll have to build one of those too.

BTW: Did you ever buy your MP3/CD player for your car?
 
"Bob Parker" <bobp@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:mnsk30p849q94v49hv96tbrici1q4eqda3@4ax.com...
G'day Trevor (and everyone),
I didn't think anyone knew about it. I haven't got my copy of SC
yet. :(
Relax. It's nearly all cosmetic! The circuitry's unchanged.
Different push button and more accurate figures on the front panel
chart. Lessee....what else....? Auto switch off time's increased a
bit. PCB is silk screened and solder masked. Now uses 6 AAA cells
instead of 9V alkaline battery, not because of battery life but
because so many people couldn't figure out how to hold the battery in
place!
Probably the biggest difference is that the micro can do some
testing of the circuitry to localize construction faults. If yours is
working, that's irrelevant. It doesn't flash "EA" when you switch it
on, now. Not with "Silicone Chimp" scrawled across the front! :)
If you've already got one of the EA meters, you're not missing
much. Still the same accuracy and in-circuit measuring etc.
Now Trevor's really going to hate me. I asked around amongst my
mates about car MP3 players. Everyone said "Get a Kenwood because
they're terrific and they never break down!!". Went to Strathfield Car
Radio to have a look at one, and they made me an offer I couldn't
refuse. So I installed it. Works really well.
I hope you'll still talk to me anyway. :)
**I can't imagine there are significant differences between any of the El
CheapoT MP3/CD players, regardless of what brand name is attached. JVC,
Kenwood, Panasonic, ti probably doesn't make much difference. I bought the
JVC based on price, features and convenience. If a Kenwood had offered all
the JVC did, at the time, at a lower price, I would have considered it. I
had a Kenwood car stereo once and it was fine and dandy. I wouldn't touch
their domestic stereo stuff, however, due to their tendency to use
non-standard (and horrendously expensive) output devices. They are nifty
though. I can't see any future for car changers any more. Particularly when
DVD players fall in price. I'll be able to fit 30 CDs on each DVD-R. At that
is at 320k/s!


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:
I wouldn't touch
their domestic stereo stuff, however, due to their tendency to use
non-standard (and horrendously expensive) output devices.
I seem to remember a Kenwood KA-47X or similarly-numbered large
amplifier. The un-heatsunk TO-220 driver devices run so hot that the
board goes black underneath them. I too have my doubts about their
domestic gear!


I can't see any future for car changers any more. Particularly when
DVD players fall in price. I'll be able to fit 30 CDs on each DVD-R. At that
is at 320k/s!
The bloke at Strathfield told me "You can plug a CD stacker into
this!". I just looked at him and asked what would I want to do that
for, when I can put heaps of CDs worth of audio onto one disc? I don't
think these guys understand the implications of MP3 players (yet).
DVD-R is even more mind-blowing. :)

Cheers,
Bob
 
Now Trevor's really going to hate me. I asked around amongst my
mates about car MP3 players. Everyone said "Get a Kenwood because
they're terrific and they never break down!!". Went to Strathfield Car
Radio to have a look at one, and they made me an offer I couldn't
refuse. So I installed it. Works really well.
I hope you'll still talk to me anyway. :)

Actually I wish one of the electronic mags would get off its arse and
do a hard drive based MP3 player (car or home) as a project. I'm sure
it would be popular

Something that does MPEG files etc as well would also be a big step
forward too - some car stereos now seem to have DVD players and small
LCD screens in them and such a product (hard drive based) seems to be
unavailable for that application, and I think would become quite
popular.

EA advertised that they were going to do one toward the end (audio
mp3) - but it never seemed to happen


Cheers,
Bob



"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

I just finish my ESR meter (about 3 years ago) and you go and design a new
one. Bastard. Now I suppose I'll have to build one of those too.

BTW: Did you ever buy your MP3/CD player for your car?
 
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:16:34 +1000, KLR <> wrote:


Actually I wish one of the electronic mags would get off its arse and
do a hard drive based MP3 player (car or home) as a project. I'm sure
it would be popular

www.mp3projects.com has all the DIY players you'll ever need
M
 
<KLR> wrote in message news:iotm3012bs6idibkski9jf40h5hi35n9rj@4ax.com...
Now Trevor's really going to hate me. I asked around amongst my
mates about car MP3 players. Everyone said "Get a Kenwood because
they're terrific and they never break down!!". Went to Strathfield Car
Radio to have a look at one, and they made me an offer I couldn't
refuse. So I installed it. Works really well.
I hope you'll still talk to me anyway. :)

Actually I wish one of the electronic mags would get off its arse and
do a hard drive based MP3 player (car or home) as a project. I'm sure
it would be popular
**Dream on. DVD players, which can play MP3 files can store a minimum of 30
CDs on a DVD-R. At lower sample rates, a 100 CDs would be possible. NOt much
point bothering with hard disks, but if you want to, buy a cheap laptop. New
ones cost around $1,000.00. Second hand ones (adquate for MP3 files) sell
for less.

Something that does MPEG files etc as well would also be a big step
forward too - some car stereos now seem to have DVD players and small
LCD screens in them and such a product (hard drive based) seems to be
unavailable for that application, and I think would become quite
popular.

EA advertised that they were going to do one toward the end (audio
mp3) - but it never seemed to happen
**I really don't see the point.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:403bc6a7@news.comindico.com.au...
KLR> wrote in message news:iotm3012bs6idibkski9jf40h5hi35n9rj@4ax.com...


Now Trevor's really going to hate me. I asked around amongst my
mates about car MP3 players. Everyone said "Get a Kenwood because
they're terrific and they never break down!!". Went to Strathfield Car
Radio to have a look at one, and they made me an offer I couldn't
refuse. So I installed it. Works really well.
I hope you'll still talk to me anyway. :)

Actually I wish one of the electronic mags would get off its arse and
do a hard drive based MP3 player (car or home) as a project. I'm sure
it would be popular

**Dream on. DVD players, which can play MP3 files can store a minimum of
30
CDs on a DVD-R. At lower sample rates, a 100 CDs would be possible. NOt
much
point bothering with hard disks, but if you want to, buy a cheap laptop.
New
ones cost around $1,000.00. Second hand ones (adquate for MP3 files) sell
for less.


Something that does MPEG files etc as well would also be a big step
forward too - some car stereos now seem to have DVD players and small
LCD screens in them and such a product (hard drive based) seems to be
unavailable for that application, and I think would become quite
popular.

EA advertised that they were going to do one toward the end (audio
mp3) - but it never seemed to happen

**I really don't see the point.
Someone Did. A Bloke was arrested in New york recently for watching Porn
while they were driving :
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/24/1077497526988.html?from=storyrhs

Regards
Richard Freeman
 
Saw a MP3 player module/kit that has a IDE connector in a local electronics
part online store website. Just plug in a harddrive and you have a
harddrive based mp3 player.

Actually I wish one of the electronic mags would get off its arse and
do a hard drive based MP3 player (car or home) as a project. I'm sure
it would be popular

Something that does MPEG files etc as well would also be a big step
forward too - some car stereos now seem to have DVD players and small
LCD screens in them and such a product (hard drive based) seems to be
unavailable for that application, and I think would become quite
popular.

EA advertised that they were going to do one toward the end (audio
mp3) - but it never seemed to happen
 
KLR <> wrote in message news:<iotm3012bs6idibkski9jf40h5hi35n9rj@4ax.com>...
Now Trevor's really going to hate me. I asked around amongst my
mates about car MP3 players. Everyone said "Get a Kenwood because
they're terrific and they never break down!!". Went to Strathfield Car
Radio to have a look at one, and they made me an offer I couldn't
refuse. So I installed it. Works really well.
I hope you'll still talk to me anyway. :)

Actually I wish one of the electronic mags would get off its arse and
do a hard drive based MP3 player (car or home) as a project. I'm sure
it would be popular

Something that does MPEG files etc as well would also be a big step
forward too - some car stereos now seem to have DVD players and small
LCD screens in them and such a product (hard drive based) seems to be
unavailable for that application, and I think would become quite
popular.

EA advertised that they were going to do one toward the end (audio
mp3) - but it never seemed to happen
It ended up being available only from the designer I believe. I think
there were details of who in the teaser article.

Plenty of other MP3 projects out there though, take your pic. But I
can't see the point in doing a kit, will alway be more expensive than
a consumer solution for something mainstream like this. By the time
any mag came out with a project there would be a Taiwanese consumer
version available at your local markets for half the price.

If you want ultra portable, you can't beat those little MP3 USB
keyring things, they get cheaper by the week.

Dave :)
 
KLR <> wrote in message news:<iotm3012bs6idibkski9jf40h5hi35n9rj@4ax.com>...
Now Trevor's really going to hate me. I asked around amongst my
mates about car MP3 players. Everyone said "Get a Kenwood because
they're terrific and they never break down!!". Went to Strathfield Car
Radio to have a look at one, and they made me an offer I couldn't
refuse. So I installed it. Works really well.
I hope you'll still talk to me anyway. :)

Actually I wish one of the electronic mags would get off its arse and
do a hard drive based MP3 player (car or home) as a project. I'm sure
it would be popular

Something that does MPEG files etc as well would also be a big step
forward too - some car stereos now seem to have DVD players and small
LCD screens in them and such a product (hard drive based) seems to be
unavailable for that application, and I think would become quite
popular.

EA advertised that they were going to do one toward the end (audio
mp3) - but it never seemed to happen
Altronics do a kit:
http://www.altronics.com.au/cat.asp?cat=11&grp=426&id=K2770

$329 (plus hard drive) buys you an aweful lot of blank CD-R's
though...
If something like this is not commercially available, give it a few
months and it will be. Actually, I think I saw stuff like this at
Northrocks computer markets the other week. I wasn't specifically
looking for audio stuff, but I do remember their being plenty of "MP3"
gear...

Regards
Dave :)
 
I was at North Rocks the other week too, looking for prices on
those little MP3 players! If I'd known you frequent that place, I'd
have paid more attention to who was in the crowd up there. :)

Bob

tronnort@yahoo.com (David L. Jones) wrote:
$329 (plus hard drive) buys you an aweful lot of blank CD-R's
though...
If something like this is not commercially available, give it a few
months and it will be. Actually, I think I saw stuff like this at
Northrocks computer markets the other week. I wasn't specifically
looking for audio stuff, but I do remember their being plenty of "MP3"
gear...

Regards
Dave :)
 
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 21:48:24 GMT, "Trevor Wilson"
<trevor@rageaudio.com.au> wrote:

KLR> wrote in message news:iotm3012bs6idibkski9jf40h5hi35n9rj@4ax.com...


Now Trevor's really going to hate me. I asked around amongst my
mates about car MP3 players. Everyone said "Get a Kenwood because
they're terrific and they never break down!!". Went to Strathfield Car
Radio to have a look at one, and they made me an offer I couldn't
refuse. So I installed it. Works really well.
I hope you'll still talk to me anyway. :)

Actually I wish one of the electronic mags would get off its arse and
do a hard drive based MP3 player (car or home) as a project. I'm sure
it would be popular

**Dream on. DVD players, which can play MP3 files can store a minimum of 30
CDs on a DVD-R. At lower sample rates, a 100 CDs would be possible. NOt much
point bothering with hard disks, but if you want to, buy a cheap laptop. New
ones cost around $1,000.00. Second hand ones (adquate for MP3 files) sell
for less.

Agreed - only need 4-6 mb for 100 CD's depending on quality.

yes - but they dont do video. Still needs discs, and the usual
problems like scratches and failures with the player are there. also
having to burn them. Hard drives are dirt cheap these days - hold
much more data and are easily and cheaply replaced when they fail. can
be loaded quickly by USB. on a 30 gig drive - you could put a lot of
video. As far as I know - this is a product that isnt available on
the market yet.
By the way - where can you get a new laptop for $1000 ?


Something that does MPEG files etc as well would also be a big step
forward too - some car stereos now seem to have DVD players and small
LCD screens in them and such a product (hard drive based) seems to be
unavailable for that application, and I think would become quite
popular.

EA advertised that they were going to do one toward the end (audio
mp3) - but it never seemed to happen

**I really don't see the point.
 
KLR <> wrote in message news:<72lq30t05cqhi4on3fqfmpq20qd3hmfb4m@4ax.com>...
Agreed - only need 4-6 mb for 100 CD's depending on quality.

yes - but they dont do video. Still needs discs, and the usual
problems like scratches and failures with the player are there. also
having to burn them. Hard drives are dirt cheap these days - hold
much more data and are easily and cheaply replaced when they fail. can
be loaded quickly by USB. on a 30 gig drive - you could put a lot of
video. As far as I know - this is a product that isnt available on
the market yet.
Don't many of the new DVD Recorders have hard drives? I think the
intention being that you can record onto the hard drive for quick easy
access, and burn onto a DVD for permanent storage.

By the way - where can you get a new laptop for $1000 ?
Not that you'd ever use a new laptop for this sort of application
anyway.
A 2nd hand one would do just dandy, and an old one to boot (no pun
intended).
SC did an MP3 Jukebox kit with I think a remote control to play MP3's
via WinAmp. There are other devices out there that work with DOS based
MP3 players too I've heard.
I think there are even groups (on Yahoo most likely) devoted to this
sort of thing.

Regards
Dave :)
 
David L. Jones <tronnort@yahoo.com> wrote:
KLR <> wrote in message news:<iotm3012bs6idibkski9jf40h5hi35n9rj@4ax.com>...

Actually I wish one of the electronic mags would get off its arse and
do a hard drive based MP3 player (car or home) as a project. I'm sure
it would be popular

Altronics do a kit:
http://www.altronics.com.au/cat.asp?cat=11&grp=426&id=K2770

$329 (plus hard drive) buys you an aweful lot of blank CD-R's
though...
If something like this is not commercially available, give it a few
months and it will be.
Buy a second hand laptop (should be able to get and old one for under
$400, doesn't take a lot to play mp3), install linux, run an mp3 player.
Don't look at the screen while you are driving.

The only difficult thing about the project is mounting... hard drives
don't handle high temperatures and vibration too well so you probably
have to put it under the seat with foam supports. Find some sort of USB
controller device with enough buttons to handle start, stop, volume, skip.

Also, it's tricky to find a laptop that handles vehicle power supply voltage,
you would have to ask around a bit to see which models can cope.

- Tel
 

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