Bit OT. Radio Data System or "RDS" ...

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Arfa Daily

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For many years, I have had radios in my cars, which have been equipped with
the Radio Data System, or RDS. I recall when I had my first one, trying to
find out how this worked, but coming up against a brick wall. Since then, I
haven't taken that much notice of it, until I was stuck in traffic today.

I don't have a problem understanding the basic concept of traffic
announcements, station identifiers, music genres and content etc being
displayed. I also don't have any problem with understanding where and how
this data stream is transmitted by the station, and how the radio receives,
decodes, and displays the text. In fact now, there is plenty of stuff on the
'net about that. What I don't have an understanding of, and what I can't
seem to find any write-up on, is how the automatic transmitter hopping takes
place, and how it happens so seamlessly.

Today, stuck in that traffic, at one point, I was located at what must have
been a 'marginal' spot between two transmitters carrying the same
transmission. The radio was flicking back and forth between the two
transmitters, located several megs apart, but there was not so much as a
squeak when it did it, let alone a break in reception, or any sign of the
inevitable time difference that you pretty well must get when two
transmitters, geographically well separated from each other, are being fed
from the same studio source.

Presumably, each transmitter must carry information in its RDS stream about
the frequencies of other 'close by' transmitters carrying the same
programme. The radio must then retune itself to one of these 'alternatives'
based on some criteria such as analogue signal strength or bit error rate on
the RDS signal, to see if it can gain an improvement. But when it does this,
where is the music now coming from, and how does the seamless 'switch' to
the new (better) transmitter take place ? I am guessing that the demodulated
audio must have been digitised, and dropped in a bit bucket running some
distance behind the 'real' transmission, and then D-A'd back to audio. But
it would still have to be pretty cleverly done, to 'dovetail' the new
digitised data from the alternate transmitter, into the existing data, such
that you didn't hear the switch. I used to repair a lot of car radios a few
years back, and I don't recall ever having had a problem with this aspect of
the system.

So, anyone know properly how it's done, or know of any authoritive works on
the subject ?

Arfa
 
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:18:56 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:

So, anyone know properly how it's done, or know of any authoritive works on
the subject ?
I have no idea how it handles multiple RDS data streams. My guess(tm)
is one at a time based on either the strongest signal, or the lowest
BER (bit error rate). If it really did switch back and forth between
stations, it's probably because the two data streams were time synced
to an atomic or GPS based time standard and are therefore effectively
simulcasting the exact same data. However, I'm guessing.

Here's the UK version of the specification:
<http://www.rds.org.uk/download/R05_036_1.pdf>
More:
<http://www.nprlabs.org/research/pad/RDSPlus_Description.pdf>

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On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:18:56 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:

So, anyone know properly how it's done, or know of any authoritive works
on
the subject ?

I have no idea how it handles multiple RDS data streams. My guess(tm)
is one at a time based on either the strongest signal, or the lowest
BER (bit error rate). If it really did switch back and forth between
stations, it's probably because the two data streams were time synced
to an atomic or GPS based time standard and are therefore effectively
simulcasting the exact same data. However, I'm guessing.

Here's the UK version of the specification:
http://www.rds.org.uk/download/R05_036_1.pdf
More:
http://www.nprlabs.org/research/pad/RDSPlus_Description.pdf

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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Some interesting content in those documents Jeff, but still no mention of
the RDS having control of this frequency-hopping behaviour, or how the radio
carries it out 'seamlessly'. Bear in mind that we are not talking digital
radio here, but standard local area analogue FM transmissions, with the
digital RDS data piggy-backed on the transmission, in a bit of unused
channel width.

This is not any kind of new feature of the system, either. I first came
across it probably twenty years ago when I was a field engineer for a
company, and driving from one end of the country, to the other. I always
used to listen to UK BBC Radio 2. I could drive perhaps 300 miles
up-country, passing through probably eight or ten transmitter service areas,
and not once would I have to retune the radio in order to keep listening to
that same station. If you kept half an eye on the radio's display though,
the frequency readout at the corner of the RDS info display, would keep
changing throughout the journey. Curiously clever ...

Arfa
 
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:21:38 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@cruzio.com>wrote:

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:18:56 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:

So, anyone know properly how it's done, or know of any authoritive works on
the subject ?

I have no idea how it handles multiple RDS data streams
Then why did you answer?
 
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:18:56 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com>wrote:

So, anyone know properly how it's done, or know of any authoritive works on
the subject ?

Arfa
http://www.rds.org.uk/rds98/rds98.htm

http://www.radio-now.co.uk/faq1.htm

http://www.trafficmaster.co.uk/__assets/asset194.pdf

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+does+RDS+work
 
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:53:36 -0500, Meat Plow wrote:

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:21:38 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
jeffl@cruzio.com>wrote:


On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:18:56 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:

So, anyone know properly how it's done, or know of any authoritive works on
the subject ?

I have no idea how it handles multiple RDS data streams

Then why did you answer?
Half an answer is better than no answer.
Besides, I was curious and did the necessary Googling.
Why did you complain?

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Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
Arfa Daily wrote:
"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:18:56 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:

So, anyone know properly how it's done, or know of any authoritive works
on
the subject ?

I have no idea how it handles multiple RDS data streams. My guess(tm)
is one at a time based on either the strongest signal, or the lowest
BER (bit error rate). If it really did switch back and forth between
stations, it's probably because the two data streams were time synced
to an atomic or GPS based time standard and are therefore effectively
simulcasting the exact same data. However, I'm guessing.

Here's the UK version of the specification:
http://www.rds.org.uk/download/R05_036_1.pdf
More:
http://www.nprlabs.org/research/pad/RDSPlus_Description.pdf

--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Some interesting content in those documents Jeff, but still no mention of
the RDS having control of this frequency-hopping behaviour, or how the radio
carries it out 'seamlessly'. Bear in mind that we are not talking digital
radio here, but standard local area analogue FM transmissions, with the
digital RDS data piggy-backed on the transmission, in a bit of unused
channel width.

This is not any kind of new feature of the system, either. I first came
across it probably twenty years ago when I was a field engineer for a
company, and driving from one end of the country, to the other. I always
used to listen to UK BBC Radio 2. I could drive perhaps 300 miles
up-country, passing through probably eight or ten transmitter service areas,
and not once would I have to retune the radio in order to keep listening to
that same station. If you kept half an eye on the radio's display though,
the frequency readout at the corner of the RDS info display, would keep
changing throughout the journey. Curiously clever ...

Telemetry systems often use two (or more) receivers and a combiner to
select the best signal(s). It wouldn't be hard to do the same in your
radio. Then the RDS selects the best signal between the outputs. The
distance to the transmitters isn't enough to cause a time delay you
could detect in simple audio feeds.

The speed of light is 299,792,458 m/s or 299,792.458 km/s. Do you
have any idea how far you were from either transmitter?


--
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On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:55:13 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Some interesting content in those documents Jeff, but still no mention of
the RDS having control of this frequency-hopping behaviour, or how the radio
carries it out 'seamlessly'.
Sorry. I thought it might be buried under there, somewhere.

I don't understand how it works completely, but this looks like a
useful clue:
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/592972.stm>
By simulating the RDS traffic information data, the RDS data will keep
the radio on the pirates channel, rather than return it to whatever
channel was previously used.
When a local traffic announcement is being broadcast, a
signal is sent and the car radio switches to it. When it ends,
RDS takes the listener back to the station or tape or CD they
were originally listening to.

They appear to have used the published RDS standards to
make devices that constantly transmit the signal to switch,
thereby grabbing listeners.

Clever. If RDS is turned on in the radio, then it will search for a
station that is transmitting RDS and stay there until the traffic info
is finished. My guess(tm) is that if it can't hear an RDS data
stream, or gets a high error rate, it may go looking for a better RDS
signal, which explains the frequency switching.

More:
<http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg16522200.800-do-not-adjust-your-set----we-have-assumed-radio-control.html>

We have some RDS data stations in the US, but I have no experience
using them. Besides, my car radio is ancient and feature deficient.

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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
<Meat Plow> wrote in message news:3h3453.9ah.17.4@news.alt.net...
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:18:56 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
arfa.daily@ntlworld.com>wrote:

So, anyone know properly how it's done, or know of any authoritive works
on
the subject ?

Arfa

http://www.rds.org.uk/rds98/rds98.htm

http://www.radio-now.co.uk/faq1.htm

http://www.trafficmaster.co.uk/__assets/asset194.pdf

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+does+RDS+work
Thanks Meat (and also Jeff). I'll follow up on these links tomorrow, and see
if any enlighten me further ...

Arfa
 
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Arfa Daily wrote:

"Jeff Liebermann" <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:18:56 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:

So, anyone know properly how it's done, or know of any authoritive
works
on
the subject ?

I have no idea how it handles multiple RDS data streams. My guess(tm)
is one at a time based on either the strongest signal, or the lowest
BER (bit error rate). If it really did switch back and forth between
stations, it's probably because the two data streams were time synced
to an atomic or GPS based time standard and are therefore effectively
simulcasting the exact same data. However, I'm guessing.

Here's the UK version of the specification:
http://www.rds.org.uk/download/R05_036_1.pdf
More:
http://www.nprlabs.org/research/pad/RDSPlus_Description.pdf

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Some interesting content in those documents Jeff, but still no mention of
the RDS having control of this frequency-hopping behaviour, or how the
radio
carries it out 'seamlessly'. Bear in mind that we are not talking digital
radio here, but standard local area analogue FM transmissions, with the
digital RDS data piggy-backed on the transmission, in a bit of unused
channel width.

This is not any kind of new feature of the system, either. I first came
across it probably twenty years ago when I was a field engineer for a
company, and driving from one end of the country, to the other. I always
used to listen to UK BBC Radio 2. I could drive perhaps 300 miles
up-country, passing through probably eight or ten transmitter service
areas,
and not once would I have to retune the radio in order to keep listening
to
that same station. If you kept half an eye on the radio's display though,
the frequency readout at the corner of the RDS info display, would keep
changing throughout the journey. Curiously clever ...


Telemetry systems often use two (or more) receivers and a combiner to
select the best signal(s). It wouldn't be hard to do the same in your
radio. Then the RDS selects the best signal between the outputs. The
distance to the transmitters isn't enough to cause a time delay you
could detect in simple audio feeds.

The speed of light is 299,792,458 m/s or 299,792.458 km/s. Do you
have any idea how far you were from either transmitter?


--

Thanks for your insights Michael. Understood and agreed on speed of radio
waves etc, but in cases like this, that isn't the be all and end all of
delay paths in the transmissions, especially in these days of digital signal
manipulation. I'm sure that the original studio signal passes through many
different phone switches and trunk distribution systems on its way to the
various different transmitter sites from which it is being 'simultaneously'
broadcast. I'm also sure that the number of switches and networks involved
in each path varies enormously, and that many, if not most of these will
involve digitisation, with the attendant processing overheads. These can add
up to significant delays in the audio. As a 'for instance', in the town
where I live, there are three readily received TV transmitters, all around
about the same distance from the town. In my lounge, I tend to use the
transmitter that is to the south of the town, but in my kitchen, I use the
one that is to the east. If I have both TV sets receiving the same station,
and stand in my hallway where I can hear them both, there is a very
significant difference - probably as much as 1 second - in the audio. As
both transmitters are around 30 miles from me, path length is obviously not
a contributing factor in this.

Also understood and agreed on the principles of telemetry receivers etc. I
agree that two receivers within the car radio would be one possible way for
it to work, but I am not sure that this would be financially practical in a
bog standard car radio, would it ? I might see if I can lay hands on a
schematic set for a Ford (Sony) radio, and see if there is any evidence of
dual receivers.

Arfa
 
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 01:51:33 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> wrote:

If I have both TV sets receiving the same station,
and stand in my hallway where I can hear them both, there is a very
significant difference - probably as much as 1 second - in the audio. As
both transmitters are around 30 miles from me, path length is obviously not
a contributing factor in this.
Nice testing. I'm not surprised that the TV signals vary signigantly
in delays. However, the RDS data signals might be synchronized to a
common clock such as GPS. There's no requirement that it be synced
with the TV for FM audio.

Simulcast is commonly done with paging systems and has been around for
at least 15 years:
<http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=eR0dAAAAEBAJ&dq=5010317>
I don't know how the transmitters are arranged in the UK, but if they
can be GPS synced, then it's possible to have more than one
transmitting exactly the same data at exactly the same time on exactly
the same frequency. It can also be done with voice. We have a local
ham radio system of about 6 xmiters doing exactly that. Equalizing
the delays without GPS is tricky, but not impossible:
<http://www.wb6ece.org>
I have no idea if the UK RDS system uses simulcast, but if it does,
then the audio delay is not a good indication of the RDS data delays.


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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
<Meat Plow> wrote in message news:3h3453.9ah.17.4@news.alt.net...
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:18:56 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
arfa.daily@ntlworld.com>wrote:

So, anyone know properly how it's done, or know of any authoritive works
on
the subject ?

Arfa

http://www.rds.org.uk/rds98/rds98.htm

http://www.radio-now.co.uk/faq1.htm

http://www.trafficmaster.co.uk/__assets/asset194.pdf

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+does+RDS+work
OK. First two of those links explain a feature of the system called "AF"
which is Alternative Frequency. Seems that with modern radios, the RDS is
integrated into a chip, along with a PLL controlled FM receiver, where the
PLL has a very fast lockup time of just a few mS. Data regarding frequencies
of other nearby transmitters carrying the same programme material, is
embedded into the RDS data stream. When the system determines that the
quality of the received FM transmission has dropped below a predetermined
level (it doesn't say whether this is by analogue signal strength, or BER of
the RDS data stream), the receiver PLL is rapidly shifted to one of the
alternative frequencies, to check if that betters the situation. Whilst this
is taking place, the receiver audio is momentarily muted.

So, it would seem that the key to not being able to hear the frequency
switch taking place, is a very quick-locking PLL, that allows the audio
muting period to be kept too short to hear.

Even given that, the broadcast network must be totally free from adjacent
area delays in the audio, for you not to be able to hear any 'jump' in the
content. I wonder if the feeds to the transmitters are now all digital over
the phone system, allowing for easy 'tweaking out' of any delays betewwen
feeds to adjacent transmitters ?

Thanks Meat. Your links have found me the answer to something that has
bugged me off and on, for years ! :)

Arfa
 
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:26:52 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com>wrote:

Meat Plow> wrote in message news:3h3453.9ah.17.4@news.alt.net...
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:18:56 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
arfa.daily@ntlworld.com>wrote:

So, anyone know properly how it's done, or know of any authoritive works
on
the subject ?

Arfa

http://www.rds.org.uk/rds98/rds98.htm

http://www.radio-now.co.uk/faq1.htm

http://www.trafficmaster.co.uk/__assets/asset194.pdf

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+does+RDS+work

OK. First two of those links explain a feature of the system called "AF"
which is Alternative Frequency. Seems that with modern radios, the RDS is
integrated into a chip, along with a PLL controlled FM receiver, where the
PLL has a very fast lockup time of just a few mS. Data regarding frequencies
of other nearby transmitters carrying the same programme material, is
embedded into the RDS data stream. When the system determines that the
quality of the received FM transmission has dropped below a predetermined
level (it doesn't say whether this is by analogue signal strength, or BER of
the RDS data stream), the receiver PLL is rapidly shifted to one of the
alternative frequencies, to check if that betters the situation. Whilst this
is taking place, the receiver audio is momentarily muted.

So, it would seem that the key to not being able to hear the frequency
switch taking place, is a very quick-locking PLL, that allows the audio
muting period to be kept too short to hear.

Even given that, the broadcast network must be totally free from adjacent
area delays in the audio, for you not to be able to hear any 'jump' in the
content. I wonder if the feeds to the transmitters are now all digital over
the phone system, allowing for easy 'tweaking out' of any delays betewwen
feeds to adjacent transmitters ?

Thanks Meat. Your links have found me the answer to something that has
bugged me off and on, for years ! :)

Arfa
The feeds to transmitters are probably a combination of wired and
microwave depending on the location.
 
Hi!

Some interesting content in those documents Jeff, but still no
mention of the RDS having control of this frequency-hopping
behaviour, or how the radio carries it out 'seamlessly'.
In the US, and concerning recent GM vehicles sold here in particular,
the RDS implementation does support station switching of conventional
analog broadcasts.

The radios offered by Ford here in the US also do this if they support
RDS, as do ones offered by Chrysler in their vehicles.

RDS is, of course, pitifully underused here in the US. And while I
have some radios that can receive it, little more than the ability to
display the callsign of the station--and somtimes its format--is used.
As such, I've never seen the automatic station switch take place--the
only confirmation of its existence is in the vehicle owner's manual or
the RDS spec itself.

I suspect the station hopping ability requires two tuners, and perhaps
a sort of buffering circuit to assure that there is no delay in the
audio output. How the switching criteria is met I have no idea--maybe
some sort of "apparent" signal strength meter is observed?

The radio that's currently in my truck doesn't support RDS, and in a
way I'm glad. RDS seemingly supports "emergency" announcements that
will turn the radio back on and make it so that it is impossible to
turn it off while the alert plays.

I'm sorry, but it's *MY* radio and it will be off if I want it to be!

William
 
"William R. Walsh" <wm_walsh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi!

Some interesting content in those documents Jeff, but still no
mention of the RDS having control of this frequency-hopping
behaviour, or how the radio carries it out 'seamlessly'.

In the US, and concerning recent GM vehicles sold here in particular,
the RDS implementation does support station switching of conventional
analog broadcasts.

The radios offered by Ford here in the US also do this if they support
RDS, as do ones offered by Chrysler in their vehicles.

RDS is, of course, pitifully underused here in the US. And while I
have some radios that can receive it, little more than the ability to
display the callsign of the station--and somtimes its format--is used.
As such, I've never seen the automatic station switch take place--the
only confirmation of its existence is in the vehicle owner's manual or
the RDS spec itself.

I suspect the station hopping ability requires two tuners, and perhaps
a sort of buffering circuit to assure that there is no delay in the
audio output. How the switching criteria is met I have no idea--maybe
some sort of "apparent" signal strength meter is observed?

The radio that's currently in my truck doesn't support RDS, and in a
way I'm glad. RDS seemingly supports "emergency" announcements that
will turn the radio back on and make it so that it is impossible to
turn it off while the alert plays.

I'm sorry, but it's *MY* radio and it will be off if I want it to be!

William
William - see my further comments on how it's done (now that I've found the
info on it courtesy of Meat !) at the bottom of the thread.

The traffic announcement facility can be switched on or off at will. I too
don't like the station that I'm listening to being 'hijacked' by a traffic
announcement, so I simply have that feature turned off. Shame you don't see
more of the system's use your side of the pond. It really is quite good, and
the frequency hopping behaviour is very useful, particularly when you want
to stay tuned to a national station, over a long journey.

Arfa
 
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 01:37:54 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com>wrote:

"William R. Walsh" <wm_walsh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi!

Some interesting content in those documents Jeff, but still no
mention of the RDS having control of this frequency-hopping
behaviour, or how the radio carries it out 'seamlessly'.

In the US, and concerning recent GM vehicles sold here in particular,
the RDS implementation does support station switching of conventional
analog broadcasts.

The radios offered by Ford here in the US also do this if they support
RDS, as do ones offered by Chrysler in their vehicles.

RDS is, of course, pitifully underused here in the US. And while I
have some radios that can receive it, little more than the ability to
display the callsign of the station--and somtimes its format--is used.
As such, I've never seen the automatic station switch take place--the
only confirmation of its existence is in the vehicle owner's manual or
the RDS spec itself.

I suspect the station hopping ability requires two tuners, and perhaps
a sort of buffering circuit to assure that there is no delay in the
audio output. How the switching criteria is met I have no idea--maybe
some sort of "apparent" signal strength meter is observed?

The radio that's currently in my truck doesn't support RDS, and in a
way I'm glad. RDS seemingly supports "emergency" announcements that
will turn the radio back on and make it so that it is impossible to
turn it off while the alert plays.

I'm sorry, but it's *MY* radio and it will be off if I want it to be!

William

William - see my further comments on how it's done (now that I've found the
info on it courtesy of Meat !) at the bottom of the thread.

The traffic announcement facility can be switched on or off at will. I too
don't like the station that I'm listening to being 'hijacked' by a traffic
announcement, so I simply have that feature turned off. Shame you don't see
more of the system's use your side of the pond. It really is quite good, and
the frequency hopping behaviour is very useful, particularly when you want
to stay tuned to a national station, over a long journey.

Arfa
My RDS radio has several selections as to what and how and when it
interacts. But I gave up terrestrial radio and the hair-pulling
aggravation of advertisements for Sirius sat radio back in 2006.
 
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:42:43 -0500, Meat Plow wrote:
But I gave up terrestrial radio and the hair-pulling
aggravation of advertisements for Sirius sat radio back in 2006.
Sirius seems to have advertising:
<http://www.sirius.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Sirius/CachedPage&c=Gateway&cid=1191942043707>
or at least "advertising partners". I don't currently have (or need)
a Sirius or XM subscription. Is there much advertising on Sirius?



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Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
 
Hi!

William - see my further comments on how it's done (now that
I've found the info on it courtesy of Meat !) at the bottom of the
thread.
I'll certainly check that out. I'd like to know more about how the
system works with regard to the automatic station switch.

The traffic announcement facility can be switched on or off at
will.
GM and Chrysler don't let you shut those alerts off, at least not in
the vehicles that I have.

Shame you don't see more of the system's use your side
of the pond.
Yeah, I would certainly welcome more of its use here in the
US...although I'm sorry to say that I've kind of given up on radio as
a whole. It's hard to find what I'd like to hear anyway...and ever
since I hooked up an iPod set to shuffle play in the truck, I've found
it hard to look back.

No commercials, no station fade, and any song I want to hear...

As it is, I found that nearly all the commercial RF modulators
available for iPods are seriously deficient in some way or another, so
I went for a better approach:

http://greyghost.mooo.com/2003s10/radio.htm

But that's another thread entirely...

William
 
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:41:50 -0800 (PST), "William R. Walsh"
<wm_walsh@hotmail.com> wrote:

It's hard to find what I'd like to hear anyway...and ever
since I hooked up an iPod set to shuffle play in the truck, I've found
it hard to look back.
No commercials, no station fade, and any song I want to hear...
Same here. I like classical and although there is a good local
classical FM station KBOQ, I'm at the fringe area of reception. So, I
listen to MP3's on my iPod Touch and other assorted MP3 players.

As it is, I found that nearly all the commercial RF modulators
available for iPods are seriously deficient in some way or another,
Some are better than others, but nothing beats a direct connection. If
your radio supports it, controlling the iPod Touch from the radio
display and controls is very convenient.

so I went for a better approach:
http://greyghost.mooo.com/2003s10/radio.htm
But that's another thread entirely...
Bah. Who's afraid of topic drift? Your next upgrade will probably be
a car computah. Instead of the radio in the dash, and LCD touchscreen
display running a PC under the seat or in the trunk. The computah
internet access, videos, TV, games, navigation, ODB monitor, rear view
camera, etc. See:
<http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/show-off-your-project/>
for examples of what others have done while waiting for the
manufacturers to do it all wrong. Some enterprising vendors have
machined adapters and frames for installing LCD panels on DIN rail
mounts. The TV/FM is usually handled by a USB dongle, which is
usually installed at the base of the antenna, to minimize cable
losses, and connected to the computah with a USB cable. A USB hub in
the trunk also handles the backup camera, NAS storage, secondary Wi-Fi
bridge, etc.

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