Biological camera stores pictures in DNA...

[Jan Panteltje]

DNA camera ;-)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230711133220.htm
Capturing the immense potential of microscopic DNA for data storage
Researchers at NUS CDE pioneer an innovative \'biological camera\' that ushers in a new paradigm of information storage

Paper pdf:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-38876-w

 

[jeroen]

On 2023-07-13 06:48, Jan Panteltje wrote:

DNA camera ;-)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230711133220.htm
Capturing the immense potential of microscopic DNA for data storage
Researchers at NUS CDE pioneer an innovative \'biological camera\' that ushers in a new paradigm of information storage

Paper pdf:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-38876-w
...

Cite: \"[Storage] in DNA is relevant and urgent due to the impending shortage
of silica...\".

What planet do these guys live on??

Jeroen Belleman

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 13 Jul 2023 12:20:52 +0200) it happened jeroen
<jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <u8oj65$3khao$1@dont-email.me>:

On 2023-07-13 06:48, Jan Panteltje wrote:

DNA camera ;-)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230711133220.htm
Capturing the immense potential of microscopic DNA for data storage
Researchers at NUS CDE pioneer an innovative \'biological camera\' that ushers in a new paradigm of information storage

Paper pdf:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-38876-w
...

Cite: \"[Storage] in DNA is relevant and urgent due to the impending shortage
of silica...\".

What planet do these guys live on??

Its a good guess its Planet Earth, the same where one they are looking for fuss^Hion power and the Got^Hd particle.

I wrote, long time ago here (or was it in sci.fishsicks? \"If I was a brain cell I would store memory in DNA\"
Those guys at the National University of Singapore and the NUS Synthetic Biology for Clinical and Technological Innovation (SynCTI)
are doing a great job.

Those sillyca shortages for this you only need potato chips and water to feed the cells.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 8:46:23 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 13 Jul 2023 12:20:52 +0200) it happened jeroen
jer...@nospam.please> wrote in <u8oj65$3khao$1...@dont-email.me>:
On 2023-07-13 06:48, Jan Panteltje wrote:

DNA camera ;-)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230711133220.htm
Capturing the immense potential of microscopic DNA for data storage
Researchers at NUS CDE pioneer an innovative \'biological camera\' that ushers in a new paradigm of information storage

Paper pdf:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-38876-w
...
What planet do these guys live on??

Its a good guess its Planet Earth, the same where one they are looking for fusion power and the God particle.

But this planet has beaches that are covered with sand, which is mostly silica. Cleaning it up to get pure silicon dioxide is straight forward chemistry, easy to scale up.

Making glass windows needs lots more tolerably pure silica than the semiconductor industry, and we don\'t seem to be running out of that.

> I wrote, long time ago here (or was it in sci.fishsicks? \"If I was a brain cell I would store memory in DNA\" .

But Jan isn\'t a brain cell, and can \'t speak for few he has got.

> Those guys at the National University of Singapore and the NUS Synthetic Biology for Clinical and Technological Innovation (SynCTI) are doing a great job.

Generating papers that get cited in Science Daily may make it look like they are doing a great job to university adminsitrators. People who might like to make money out of cutting edge research don\'t seem to have invested any yet, so maybe it isn\'t quite as great as the people puffing it want us to think.

> Those silica shortages for this you only need potato chips and water to feed the cells.

The silica shortage seems to be imaginary. Feeding cell cultures on water and potato chips seems to be something that Jan imagines might work.Real cells seem to be a bit more picky.

The cited quote is from the introduction.

\"These properties have led to a recent boom in developing different workflows [5,6,7,8,9] for converting digital data into DNA and vice versa, which has been increasingly relevant and urgent due to the impending shortage of silica necessary for manufacturing storage devices required to accommodate our projected data storage requirements [3}.\"

The biologist authors might have been thinking of silicon - and the price of polycrystaline silicon for use in solar cells did spike recently, but it\'s easy to scale up manufacturing volume, and the price went straight back down again as this happened.

Single crystal silicon for semiconductors is harder to make - I once worked on a crystal puller for single crystal GaAs which is even harder - but scaling up manufacturing is pretty straightforward.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 04:48:29 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

DNA camera ;-)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230711133220.htm
Capturing the immense potential of microscopic DNA for data storage
Researchers at NUS CDE pioneer an innovative \'biological camera\' that ushers in a new paradigm of information storage

Paper pdf:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-38876-w

More press-release nonsense. At great expense they created a film that
stores 1152 bits at a rate that must be a few bits per hour. Probably
write-once memory. A diazo film or even a daguerreotype would beat
that.

 

[Jan Panteltje]

On a sunny day (Thu, 13 Jul 2023 08:05:47 -0700) it happened John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
<8d40bilo91ocv3qqnkevsucsrakng41lna@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 04:48:29 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid
wrote:


DNA camera ;-)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230711133220.htm
Capturing the immense potential of microscopic DNA for data storage
Researchers at NUS CDE pioneer an innovative \'biological camera\' that ushers in a new paradigm of information storage

Paper pdf:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-38876-w

More press-release nonsense. At great expense they created a film that
stores 1152 bits at a rate that must be a few bits per hour. Probably
write-once memory. A diazo film or even a daguerreotype would beat
that.

Its the principle that opens the door to some nice stuff.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 1:09:46 AM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 13 Jul 2023 08:05:47 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jjla...@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
8d40bilo91ocv3qqn...@4ax.com>:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 04:48:29 GMT, Jan Panteltje <al...@comet.invalid
wrote:


DNA camera ;-)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230711133220.htm
Capturing the immense potential of microscopic DNA for data storage
Researchers at NUS CDE pioneer an innovative \'biological camera\' that ushers in a new paradigm of information storage

Paper pdf:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-38876-w

More press-release nonsense. At great expense they created a film that
stores 1152 bits at a rate that must be a few bits per hour. Probably
write-once memory. A diazo film or even a daguerreotype would beat
that.

Its the principle that opens the door to some nice stuff.

That\'s what the press release claims, as they always do. Wait until somebody puts money into it before you get too excited.

The \"silica\" typo that Jeroen picked up suggests that this isn\'t all that likely.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 15:09:37 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
wrote:

On a sunny day (Thu, 13 Jul 2023 08:05:47 -0700) it happened John Larkin
jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in
8d40bilo91ocv3qqnkevsucsrakng41lna@4ax.com>:

On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 04:48:29 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid
wrote:


DNA camera ;-)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230711133220.htm
Capturing the immense potential of microscopic DNA for data storage
Researchers at NUS CDE pioneer an innovative \'biological camera\' that ushers in a new paradigm of information storage

Paper pdf:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-38876-w

More press-release nonsense. At great expense they created a film that
stores 1152 bits at a rate that must be a few bits per hour. Probably
write-once memory. A diazo film or even a daguerreotype would beat
that.

Its the principle that opens the door to some nice stuff.

It doesn\'t have a chance in a thousand. It\'s just press-release
science.

They should work on figuring out how people (and birds, and lizards)
store and process images in milliseconds. But that would be hard.

I worked with a company that copied images into a diazo-impregnated
film in literally microseconds. The image was stored as zillions of
micron-sized bubbles. Nice idea, but it was on the lagging edge of
microfilm storage.

I did the flashtube electronics. Great fun, kilojoules per shot.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 11:06:03 AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 04:48:29 GMT, Jan Panteltje <al...@comet.invalid
wrote:

DNA camera ;-)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230711133220.htm
Capturing the immense potential of microscopic DNA for data storage
Researchers at NUS CDE pioneer an innovative \'biological camera\' that ushers in a new paradigm of information storage

Paper pdf:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-38876-w
More press-release nonsense. At great expense they created a film that
stores 1152 bits at a rate that must be a few bits per hour. Probably
write-once memory. A diazo film or even a daguerreotype would beat
that.

You missed the part about \"...To put it into perspective, a single gram of DNA can hold over 215,000 terabytes of data ...\", which makes the storage capacity and density quite remarkable.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 12:48:38 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:

DNA camera ;-)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230711133220.htm
Capturing the immense potential of microscopic DNA for data storage
Researchers at NUS CDE pioneer an innovative \'biological camera\' that ushers in a new paradigm of information storage

Paper pdf:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-38876-w

They were doing okay until they got to the \'optogenetics\' part. That is not \'sheer ingenuity and clever engineering\"- it is a kluge.
\"a technique that controls the activity of cells with light akin to the shutter mechanism of a camera, we managed to capture \'images\' by imprinting light signals onto the DNA \'film\'.\" That sounds totally unnatural and artificial. Their thinking is off.

 

[Dimiter_Popoff]

On 7/13/2023 13:20, jeroen wrote:

On 2023-07-13 06:48, Jan Panteltje wrote:

DNA camera ;-)

  https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230711133220.htm
Capturing the immense potential of microscopic DNA for data storage
Researchers at NUS CDE pioneer an innovative \'biological camera\' that
ushers in a new paradigm of information storage

Paper pdf:
  https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-38876-w
...

Cite: \"[Storage] in DNA is relevant and urgent due to the impending
shortage
of silica...\".

What planet do these guys live on??

Jeroen Belleman

My reaction was exactly the same .
Wasting most of the huge storage capacity available is different from
not having enough...

OTOH I think it is interesting they have managed to store data in
DNA. One day we may find out that our memories are backed up in those
yet to be figured out \"what for\" DNA parts... Retrieve memories
off some 1000+ years old bones?

 

[John Larkin]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 10:42:19 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 11:06:03?AM UTC-4, John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 04:48:29 GMT, Jan Panteltje <al...@comet.invalid
wrote:

DNA camera ;-)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230711133220.htm
Capturing the immense potential of microscopic DNA for data storage
Researchers at NUS CDE pioneer an innovative \'biological camera\' that ushers in a new paradigm of information storage

Paper pdf:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-38876-w
More press-release nonsense. At great expense they created a film that
stores 1152 bits at a rate that must be a few bits per hour. Probably
write-once memory. A diazo film or even a daguerreotype would beat
that.

You missed the part about \"...To put it into perspective, a single gram of DNA can hold over 215,000 terabytes of data ...\", which makes the storage capacity and density quite remarkable.

They managed a little over a kilobit.

Does DNA have a USB port?