Billions Approved For EV Charging Stations For All 50 States + PR...

[Fred Bloggs]

To cover 75,000 miles of highways designated as alternative fuel corridors...

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/27/ev-charging-stations-on-highways-dot-approves-50-states-plans.html

U.S. is getting dead serious about a total EV conversion... will say goodbye to the ICE soon.

Fossils still burning oil for heat have to go, along with the LP gas people. Every bit of this medieval insanity has to be eliminated.

It\'s all called decarbonation.

 

[Ricky]

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 8:13:58 PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:

To cover 75,000 miles of highways designated as alternative fuel corridors...

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/27/ev-charging-stations-on-highways-dot-approves-50-states-plans.html

U.S. is getting dead serious about a total EV conversion... will say goodbye to the ICE soon.

Fossils still burning oil for heat have to go, along with the LP gas people. Every bit of this medieval insanity has to be eliminated.

It\'s all called decarbonation.

OK.

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[Ed Lee]

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 5:13:58 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:

To cover 75,000 miles of highways designated as alternative fuel corridors...

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/27/ev-charging-stations-on-highways-dot-approves-50-states-plans.html

U.S. is getting dead serious about a total EV conversion... will say goodbye to the ICE soon.

Fossils still burning oil for heat have to go, along with the LP gas people. Every bit of this medieval insanity has to be eliminated.

It\'s all called decarbonation.

Hopefully, they will spend some money on fixing existing broken public chargers.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:06:29 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 5:13:58 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
To cover 75,000 miles of highways designated as alternative fuel corridors...

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/27/ev-charging-stations-on-highways-dot-approves-50-states-plans.html

U.S. is getting dead serious about a total EV conversion... will say goodbye to the ICE soon.

Fossils still burning oil for heat have to go, along with the LP gas people. Every bit of this medieval insanity has to be eliminated.

It\'s all called decarbonation.
Hopefully, they will spend some money on fixing existing broken public chargers.

The arrangement to watch out for will be called a public-private partnership. In reality it will mean they use public money to build a private infrastructure that will charge the public top dollar to use their chargers. There\'s always a Harvard graduate behind these things. You can find an example of this on interstate I95 in northern Virginia/Dc where they are known to charge $35 tolls for a 5 mile express lane jaunt.

 

[Flyguy]

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 6:19:06 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:06:29 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 5:13:58 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
To cover 75,000 miles of highways designated as alternative fuel corridors...

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/27/ev-charging-stations-on-highways-dot-approves-50-states-plans.html

U.S. is getting dead serious about a total EV conversion... will say goodbye to the ICE soon.

Fossils still burning oil for heat have to go, along with the LP gas people. Every bit of this medieval insanity has to be eliminated.

It\'s all called decarbonation.
Hopefully, they will spend some money on fixing existing broken public chargers.
The arrangement to watch out for will be called a public-private partnership. In reality it will mean they use public money to build a private infrastructure that will charge the public top dollar to use their chargers. There\'s always a Harvard graduate behind these things. You can find an example of this on interstate I95 in northern Virginia/Dc where they are known to charge $35 tolls for a 5 mile express lane jaunt.

This is the equivalent of using Play-Doh to patch the holes in the Titanic. Without the generation capacity and transmission lines, or even a PLAN to create them, to get the power to the chargers they will be as useful as an umbrella in a hurricane.

Then there is the issue of access. If you have millions of vehicles doing long distance travel, but only have tens of thousands of Level 3 chargers, people will be waiting for many hours waiting in line to charge their EV.

Finally, when you tell a hundred million car owners that their ICE vehicle can no longer be used or repaired, and they have to spend $60k to $120k to buy an EV (multiply that by at least two for 2035 prices), IF they can even find one given lithium shortages, they will REVOLT!

I think the bureaucrats like senile pervert Lyin\' Biden have their collective heads FULLY UP THEIR ASSES on this issue.

 

[Fred Bloggs]

On Saturday, October 1, 2022 at 10:34:29 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 6:19:06 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:06:29 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 5:13:58 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
To cover 75,000 miles of highways designated as alternative fuel corridors...

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/27/ev-charging-stations-on-highways-dot-approves-50-states-plans.html

U.S. is getting dead serious about a total EV conversion... will say goodbye to the ICE soon.

Fossils still burning oil for heat have to go, along with the LP gas people. Every bit of this medieval insanity has to be eliminated.

It\'s all called decarbonation.
Hopefully, they will spend some money on fixing existing broken public chargers.
The arrangement to watch out for will be called a public-private partnership. In reality it will mean they use public money to build a private infrastructure that will charge the public top dollar to use their chargers. There\'s always a Harvard graduate behind these things. You can find an example of this on interstate I95 in northern Virginia/Dc where they are known to charge $35 tolls for a 5 mile express lane jaunt.
This is the equivalent of using Play-Doh to patch the holes in the Titanic. Without the generation capacity and transmission lines, or even a PLAN to create them, to get the power to the chargers they will be as useful as an umbrella in a hurricane.

Then there is the issue of access. If you have millions of vehicles doing long distance travel, but only have tens of thousands of Level 3 chargers, people will be waiting for many hours waiting in line to charge their EV.

The only long distance traveling being done will be by the trucking industry, and they\'ll all be autonomous vehicles. People will just have to learn to stay home. If they\'re caught on the highway for anything other than an essential purpose, they will be jailed. Or maybe they\'ll just be locked out of their vehicle by an autocratic central controller somewhere.

Finally, when you tell a hundred million car owners that their ICE vehicle can no longer be used or repaired, and they have to spend $60k to $120k to buy an EV (multiply that by at least two for 2035 prices), IF they can even find one given lithium shortages, they will REVOLT!

Nah- commuter jobs are disappearing, most people will work from home. Basic necessities will be bought online and delivered by battery powered drone or delivery vehicle.

I think the bureaucrats like senile pervert Lyin\' Biden have their collective heads FULLY UP THEIR ASSES on this issue.

You lack imagination and vision. The old days and ways are dying-.

 

[Anthony William Sloman]

On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 1:34:29 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 6:19:06 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:06:29 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 5:13:58 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
To cover 75,000 miles of highways designated as alternative fuel corridors...

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/27/ev-charging-stations-on-highways-dot-approves-50-states-plans.html

U.S. is getting dead serious about a total EV conversion... will say goodbye to the ICE soon.

Fossils still burning oil for heat have to go, along with the LP gas people. Every bit of this medieval insanity has to be eliminated.

It\'s all called decarbonation.

Hopefully, they will spend some money on fixing existing broken public chargers.

The arrangement to watch out for will be called a public-private partnership. In reality it will mean they use public money to build a private infrastructure that will charge the public top dollar to use their chargers. There\'s always a Harvard graduate behind these things. You can find an example of this on interstate I95 in northern Virginia/Dc where they are known to charge $35 tolls for a 5 mile express lane jaunt.

This is the equivalent of using Play-Doh to patch the holes in the Titanic. Without the generation capacity and transmission lines, or even a PLAN to create them, to get the power to the chargers they will be as useful as an umbrella in a hurricane.

Not that Gnatguy would be willing to recognise such a plan as a \"real\" plan.. if it came from the Democrats.

> Then there is the issue of access. If you have millions of vehicles doing long distance travel, but only have tens of thousands of Level 3 chargers, people will be waiting for many hours waiting in line to charge their EV.

You don\'t have millions of vehicles doing long distance travel. Most trips are local. The free market can be relied on to supply enough Level 3 chargers to deal with the occasional long distance traveler.

> Finally, when you tell a hundred million car owners that their ICE vehicle can no longer be used or repaired, and they have to spend $60k to $120k to buy an EV (multiply that by at least two for 2035 prices), IF they can even find one given lithium shortages, they will REVOLT!

Or so Gnatguy likes to think. He seems to have missed the point that electric vehicle cost less to run per mile than their gasoline powered equivalents, and are getting rapidly cheaper as they are produced in ever higher volumes. The usual rule of thumb is that raising the production volume by a factor of ten halves the unit price. It has certainly worked that way for solar cells (several times now) and we are going to have to push their production volume by at least another factor of ten soon.

> I think the bureaucrats like Joe Biden have their collective heads FULLY UP THEIR ASSES on this issue.

Gnatguy is certainly pontificating out of his own ass on the subject. Joe Biden is an elected official rather than a bureaucrat. which highlights one more of Gnatguy\'s senile misapprehensions.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

 

[bitrex]

On 10/1/2022 10:34 PM, Flyguy wrote:

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 6:19:06 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:06:29 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 5:13:58 PM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
To cover 75,000 miles of highways designated as alternative fuel corridors...

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/27/ev-charging-stations-on-highways-dot-approves-50-states-plans.html

U.S. is getting dead serious about a total EV conversion... will say goodbye to the ICE soon.

Fossils still burning oil for heat have to go, along with the LP gas people. Every bit of this medieval insanity has to be eliminated.

It\'s all called decarbonation.
Hopefully, they will spend some money on fixing existing broken public chargers.
The arrangement to watch out for will be called a public-private partnership. In reality it will mean they use public money to build a private infrastructure that will charge the public top dollar to use their chargers. There\'s always a Harvard graduate behind these things. You can find an example of this on interstate I95 in northern Virginia/Dc where they are known to charge $35 tolls for a 5 mile express lane jaunt.

This is the equivalent of using Play-Doh to patch the holes in the Titanic. Without the generation capacity and transmission lines, or even a PLAN to create them, to get the power to the chargers they will be as useful as an umbrella in a hurricane.

The increase in generating and transmission capacity isn\'t that much,
maybe 20%. It needs to be done anyway and there\'s slack capacity at
night when most vehicles will be charging

> Then there is the issue of access. If you have millions of vehicles doing long distance travel, but only have tens of thousands of Level 3 chargers, people will be waiting for many hours waiting in line to charge their EV.

The overwhelming majority of drivers drive under 50 miles on a given day

> Finally, when you tell a hundred million car owners that their ICE vehicle can no longer be used or repaired, and they have to spend $60k to $120k to buy an EV (multiply that by at least two for 2035 prices), IF they can even find one given lithium shortages, they will REVOLT!

The Americans who can\'t afford to buy a new one will the poorer Americans.

The poorest 50% of Americans have no money or power (same thing) to
revolt against anything. They can\'t take days off to protest, you then
lose your job and your housing.

Perhaps many will take public transit, carpool, or bicycle or walk if
need be. They will adapt, they have no choice. It\'s surely not the way
it has to be, but tends to be the way America does things.

And lets be real, while many Americans express a facade of
rebelliousness, on the whole Americans are some of the most
deferential-to-authority people on the planet.

Many Americans would enjoy throwing a punch at someone weak who couldn\'t
fight back. But the number who\'ve ever said \"boo\" to anyone who really
matters is very small.

In the main, Americans prefer to take orders from their betters, and
love to serve. Paste that \"blue line\" sticker on real good, now.

> I think the bureaucrats like senile pervert Lyin\' Biden have their collective heads FULLY UP THEIR ASSES on this issue.

He is a senile pervert, but you hate him for all the wrong reasons. Pity.

 

[Ricky]

On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 11:24:37 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

The increase in generating and transmission capacity isn\'t that much,
maybe 20%. It needs to be done anyway and there\'s slack capacity at
night when most vehicles will be charging

20% is the required generation for BEVs, not the additional generating capacity. Electrical demand is is very uneven, so we have a large amount of generating capacity sitting idle most of the time. BEVs have a great deal of flexibility in charging schedules, so they can be used to even that out. Any required generating capacity will be much less than 20% of our existing capacity.

Then there is the issue of access. If you have millions of vehicles doing long distance travel, but only have tens of thousands of Level 3 chargers, people will be waiting for many hours waiting in line to charge their EV..
The overwhelming majority of drivers drive under 50 miles on a given day

Yeah, but some people just want to make it look like they are sacrificing for the good of all, so they will seek out the chargers with the longest lines and charge to 100%.

Finally, when you tell a hundred million car owners that their ICE vehicle can no longer be used or repaired, and they have to spend $60k to $120k to buy an EV (multiply that by at least two for 2035 prices), IF they can even find one given lithium shortages, they will REVOLT!
The Americans who can\'t afford to buy a new one will the poorer Americans..

The poorest 50% of Americans have no money or power (same thing) to
revolt against anything. They can\'t take days off to protest, you then
lose your job and your housing.

Those truckers were able to take off for weeks, circling the DC beltway and clogging rush hour... well, that was the idea anyway. They didn\'t seem able to clog much off rush hours and during rush hours no one noticed.

Perhaps many will take public transit, carpool, or bicycle or walk if
need be. They will adapt, they have no choice. It\'s surely not the way
it has to be, but tends to be the way America does things.

I don\'t get why you are even bothering to debate the guy. You know his numbers are pure conjecture and false. You don\'t need to pay $60,000 for a BEV now, much less in 10 years. You just like to argue with him, eh?

And lets be real, while many Americans express a facade of
rebelliousness, on the whole Americans are some of the most
deferential-to-authority people on the planet.

That\'s true, right up until someone asks them to wear a mask. Then the 2-year old in them comes out and they cry, saying, NO!

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Rick C.

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[bitrex]

On 10/3/2022 11:37 AM, Ricky wrote:

Perhaps many will take public transit, carpool, or bicycle or walk if
need be. They will adapt, they have no choice. It\'s surely not the way
it has to be, but tends to be the way America does things.

I don\'t get why you are even bothering to debate the guy. You know his numbers are pure conjecture and false. You don\'t need to pay $60,000 for a BEV now, much less in 10 years. You just like to argue with him, eh?

Yeah his numbers are a little off at the low end, whatever. In my area
of the country you\'ll pay the better part of 5k in excise tax alone over
the first 5 years on even a $35,000 car, and if you\'re a great driver
another 5k on insurance.

Will it all including the purchase price be \"much less\" in 10 years? I\'m
not convinced.

Kore like in 10 years the lowest-income American\'s income will be so low
relative to how much the top 20% have to spend on vehicles it will be
pointless to build anything but luxury cars. Not worth the squeeze.

 

[Ricky]

On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 2:53:42 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:

On 10/3/2022 11:37 AM, Ricky wrote:

Perhaps many will take public transit, carpool, or bicycle or walk if
need be. They will adapt, they have no choice. It\'s surely not the way
it has to be, but tends to be the way America does things.

I don\'t get why you are even bothering to debate the guy. You know his numbers are pure conjecture and false. You don\'t need to pay $60,000 for a BEV now, much less in 10 years. You just like to argue with him, eh?

Yeah his numbers are a little off at the low end, whatever. In my area
of the country you\'ll pay the better part of 5k in excise tax alone over
the first 5 years on even a $35,000 car, and if you\'re a great driver
another 5k on insurance.

If you are talking about an annual car tax, then that has nothing to do with a BEV, it\'s the same on any car, no? Then why bring it up?

Will it all including the purchase price be \"much less\" in 10 years? I\'m
not convinced.

\"It all\"??? I have no idea what you are talking about. Do you?

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