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https://www.xilinx.com/publications/product-briefs/virtex-ultrascale-plus-vu19p-product-brief.pdf
Any guess what this might cost?
Any guess what this might cost?
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On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 20:30:35 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:
Digikey shows the smaller VU13p for $88,766.64.
wrote:
Digikey shows the smaller VU13p for $88,766.64.
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bitrex
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On 8/26/19 11:30 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
sweet baby jesus that a big mama jamma!
sweet baby jesus that a big mama jamma!
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Steve Wilson
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jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Based on the cell count:
VU13P FPGA Virtex UltraScale 3,780,000 Cells $88,766.64
VU19P 9M system logic cells
9e6/3780000 = 2.38
2.38 * $88,766.64 = $211,264
From the VU19P blurb:
"While this FPGA is tuned for ASIC/SoC emulation and prototyping, test and
measurement, it is also suited for applications such as compute,
networking, and aerospace & defense."
To paraphrase British admiral John Arbuthnot Fisher in a letter to
Churchill:
OMG
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2012/08/letter-to-churchill-may-contain-
first-omg.html?imw=Y&gtm=top
Based on the cell count:
VU13P FPGA Virtex UltraScale 3,780,000 Cells $88,766.64
VU19P 9M system logic cells
9e6/3780000 = 2.38
2.38 * $88,766.64 = $211,264
From the VU19P blurb:
"While this FPGA is tuned for ASIC/SoC emulation and prototyping, test and
measurement, it is also suited for applications such as compute,
networking, and aerospace & defense."
To paraphrase British admiral John Arbuthnot Fisher in a letter to
Churchill:
OMG
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2012/08/letter-to-churchill-may-contain-
first-omg.html?imw=Y&gtm=top
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bitrex
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On 8/26/19 11:35 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
$135k is my guess
$135k is my guess
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bitrex
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On 8/26/19 11:35 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Next time they give me a nuclear attack submarine or interplanetary
spacecraft-size budget I'm going to put a couple of those in the thing.
Next time they give me a nuclear attack submarine or interplanetary
spacecraft-size budget I'm going to put a couple of those in the thing.
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John Robertson
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On 2019/08/26 8:50 p.m., bitrex wrote:
Yes, it is a BFFPGA!
John ;-#)#
Yes, it is a BFFPGA!
John ;-#)#
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bitrex
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On 8/27/19 12:33 AM, Steve Wilson wrote:
"If you're seriously looking at buying this thing you know what it can
do and what you're gonna do with it why are we even writing this"
"If you're seriously looking at buying this thing you know what it can
do and what you're gonna do with it why are we even writing this"
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Rick C
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On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 1:46:48 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:
Some years ago I worked for a telecom test equipment maker. They produced a piece of gear they expected to sell 10 of. They used a Xilinx chip that cost something like $10,000 (I believe the largest at the time), but sold the box for $100,000 or maybe it was $150,000. They only needed 10 or 20% of the FPGA at that time, but didn't want to limit future expansion.
What I want to know is how many of the VU19P on a wafer actually work? At some point the number of defects per feature have to be massively tiny for a chip to work. I think semiconductor processing is one of the miracles of the 20th century and it doesn't seem to be slowing down any in the first 20 years of the 21st.
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Some years ago I worked for a telecom test equipment maker. They produced a piece of gear they expected to sell 10 of. They used a Xilinx chip that cost something like $10,000 (I believe the largest at the time), but sold the box for $100,000 or maybe it was $150,000. They only needed 10 or 20% of the FPGA at that time, but didn't want to limit future expansion.
What I want to know is how many of the VU19P on a wafer actually work? At some point the number of defects per feature have to be massively tiny for a chip to work. I think semiconductor processing is one of the miracles of the 20th century and it doesn't seem to be slowing down any in the first 20 years of the 21st.
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Allan Herriman
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On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 00:20:14 -0700, Rick C wrote:
It's four chiplets on an interposer. Xilinx have been using this
approach to improve yield and reduce NRE for some years. These are new
chiplets though, and (AFAIK) the largest chiplets used by Xilinx.
Regards,
Allan
It's four chiplets on an interposer. Xilinx have been using this
approach to improve yield and reduce NRE for some years. These are new
chiplets though, and (AFAIK) the largest chiplets used by Xilinx.
Regards,
Allan
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Rick C
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On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 10:26:07 AM UTC-4, Allan Herriman wrote:
I expect there are significant limitations in signals between the chiplets. Do they treat the design as four separate chips or does the software lump the design together and just treat the interposer as a really slow interconnect?
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I expect there are significant limitations in signals between the chiplets. Do they treat the design as four separate chips or does the software lump the design together and just treat the interposer as a really slow interconnect?
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Allan Herriman
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On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 07:50:14 -0700, Rick C wrote:
If it's anything like the other multi-dice parts from Xilinx that I've
used, the designer can treat it as one big fabric, without needing to
worry about the interposer (much) at all.
One can also instantiate FF in the interposer (known as Laguna registers)
if pushing the Fmax limits. (These have to be instantiated; the tool
won't infer them.) I haven't needed to do that (yet).
Allan
If it's anything like the other multi-dice parts from Xilinx that I've
used, the designer can treat it as one big fabric, without needing to
worry about the interposer (much) at all.
One can also instantiate FF in the interposer (known as Laguna registers)
if pushing the Fmax limits. (These have to be instantiated; the tool
won't infer them.) I haven't needed to do that (yet).
Allan
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Lasse Langwadt Christense
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tirsdag den 27. august 2019 kl. 18.13.46 UTC+2 skrev John Devereux:
I think they come in trays
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com writes:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 20:30:35 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:
https://www.xilinx.com/publications/product-briefs/virtex-ultrascale-plus-vu19p-product-brief.pdf
Any guess what this might cost?
Digikey shows the smaller VU13p for $88,766.64.
That's the one-off price. I am sure they come down a bit if you buy a
full reel
I think they come in trays
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Robert Roland
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On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 20:30:35 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:
>Any guess what this might cost?
It might be one of those "If you need to ask..." situations.
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>Any guess what this might cost?
It might be one of those "If you need to ask..." situations.
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John Devereux
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jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com writes:
That's the one-off price. I am sure they come down a bit if you buy a
full reel
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That's the one-off price. I am sure they come down a bit if you buy a
full reel
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boB
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On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 18:08:47 +0200, Robert Roland <fake@ddress.no>
wrote:
You guys are paying way too much for these.
I found 1 in stock for ONLY $77000 !
https://www.avnet.com/shop/us/products/xilinx/xcvu13p-3fhga2104e-3074457345634104171?CMP=EMA_OemsTrade_inventoryfeed_VSE
wrote:
You guys are paying way too much for these.
I found 1 in stock for ONLY $77000 !
https://www.avnet.com/shop/us/products/xilinx/xcvu13p-3fhga2104e-3074457345634104171?CMP=EMA_OemsTrade_inventoryfeed_VSE
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Rick C
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On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 12:13:46 PM UTC-4, John Devereux wrote:
Lol, they were going to use it in the next gen Fitbit, but they don't want to use the required fine geometry on the PCB because of costs.
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jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com writes:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 20:30:35 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:
https://www.xilinx.com/publications/product-briefs/virtex-ultrascale-plus-vu19p-product-brief.pdf
Any guess what this might cost?
Digikey shows the smaller VU13p for $88,766.64.
That's the one-off price. I am sure they come down a bit if you buy a
full reel
Lol, they were going to use it in the next gen Fitbit, but they don't want to use the required fine geometry on the PCB because of costs.
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whit3rd
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On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 8:30:43 PM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
Nine MILLION logic cells? That's how you emulate a Cray-1...
....in clusters of twenty
They'd have to leave out the many tuned transmission-line delay elements, though.
Nine MILLION logic cells? That's how you emulate a Cray-1...
....in clusters of twenty
They'd have to leave out the many tuned transmission-line delay elements, though.