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digital circiutry.
TIA
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digital circiutry.
TIA
Wendell
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Ken Smith
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In article <79GDd.2721$Cs.1546@fe04.lga>, <redd103@charter.net> wrote:
scrolling, block dragging and block moving. It also had a good macro
feature that you could use to quickly repeat operations. Many operations
could be repeated by just pressing the "R" key. This was ideal for
placing data and address lines. They had a clever mouse and keyboard
interface that worked well if you used one hand on the mouse and the other
to press keys. With a little practice, you could really fly through
stuff.
The newer Windows based programs claim that you can enter your schematic
just by clicking the mouse. They are correct in the same sense that you
can type War And Peace in Morse Code just by clicking. It takes many more
actions to enter the schematic than the old Orcad required.
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The old DOS Orcad was the best one ever created by Man. It had automaticLooking for input on a good schematic entry CAD. Will be doing mostly
digital circiutry.
scrolling, block dragging and block moving. It also had a good macro
feature that you could use to quickly repeat operations. Many operations
could be repeated by just pressing the "R" key. This was ideal for
placing data and address lines. They had a clever mouse and keyboard
interface that worked well if you used one hand on the mouse and the other
to press keys. With a little practice, you could really fly through
stuff.
The newer Windows based programs claim that you can enter your schematic
just by clicking the mouse. They are correct in the same sense that you
can type War And Peace in Morse Code just by clicking. It takes many more
actions to enter the schematic than the old Orcad required.
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Leon Heller
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<redd103@charter.net> wrote in message news:79GDd.2721$Cs.1546@fe04.lga...
http://www.pulsonix.com
It requires far fewer mouse clicks etc. than any other product I've used,
and is especially good for entering things like bus connections.
Leon
Pulsonix has very nice schematic entry:Looking for input on a good schematic entry CAD. Will be doing mostly
digital circiutry.
http://www.pulsonix.com
It requires far fewer mouse clicks etc. than any other product I've used,
and is especially good for entering things like bus connections.
Leon
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nyffeler
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In article <crnp1c$orq$4@blue.rahul.net>, kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken Smith) wrote:
At that time OrCAD became for me NoCAD.
The most effective ECAD Program I ever had was HiWire II from Wintek.
See www.wintek.com
It is a pity that they stopped further development, so today it is
unfortunately outdated.
Meanwhile I've learned to deal with Orcad V10. It can quite a lot, but is
also hard to use. Fortunatly I have good support from the Swiss dealer.
I gave a short try on DXP, which has a nicer appearance. However I decided
not to spend the time needed to learn it, for getting at the same level I have
now on Orcad.
For me it was awful. Especial in conjunction with the layout program.In article <79GDd.2721$Cs.1546@fe04.lga>, <redd103@charter.net> wrote:
Looking for input on a good schematic entry CAD. Will be doing mostly
digital circiutry.
The old DOS Orcad was the best one ever created by Man.
At that time OrCAD became for me NoCAD.
The most effective ECAD Program I ever had was HiWire II from Wintek.
See www.wintek.com
It is a pity that they stopped further development, so today it is
unfortunately outdated.
Meanwhile I've learned to deal with Orcad V10. It can quite a lot, but is
also hard to use. Fortunatly I have good support from the Swiss dealer.
I gave a short try on DXP, which has a nicer appearance. However I decided
not to spend the time needed to learn it, for getting at the same level I have
now on Orcad.
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Helmut Sennewald
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<redd103@charter.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:79GDd.2721$Cs.1546@fe04.lga...
if you have to choose a schematic entry program, the decision is primarily
based on the the target application.
If you finally want to make a PCB, then you choose the PCB program and live
with the schematic entry program that comes with it.
It's nonsense to buy any schematic drawing program and then later
buy a PCB-layout program from another vendor.
Please be more specific about your target.
Best Regards,
Helmut
news:79GDd.2721$Cs.1546@fe04.lga...
Hello Wendell,Looking for input on a good schematic entry CAD. Will be doing mostly
digital circiutry.
TIA
if you have to choose a schematic entry program, the decision is primarily
based on the the target application.
If you finally want to make a PCB, then you choose the PCB program and live
with the schematic entry program that comes with it.
It's nonsense to buy any schematic drawing program and then later
buy a PCB-layout program from another vendor.
Please be more specific about your target.
Best Regards,
Helmut
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Ken Smith
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In article <crp80m$8ro$05$1@news.t-online.com>,
Helmut Sennewald <helmutsennewald@t-online.de> wrote:
[...]
the PCBs. Suggesting anything else is doing a disservice to humanity.
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Helmut Sennewald <helmutsennewald@t-online.de> wrote:
[...]
I disagree. Everyone should use DOS Orcad for schematics and PADS 2K forIf you finally want to make a PCB, then you choose the PCB program and live
with the schematic entry program that comes with it.
It's nonsense to buy any schematic drawing program and then later
buy a PCB-layout program from another vendor.
the PCBs. Suggesting anything else is doing a disservice to humanity.
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Chaos Master
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Ken Smith stated:
draw the package, put the pins and forget it.
(EAGLE managed to make symbol editing a very complicated task...)
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Chaos MasterŽ, posting from Canoas, Brazil - 29.55° S / 51.11° W
"People told me I can't dress like a fairy.
I say, I'm in a rock band and I can do what the hell I want!"
-- Amy Lee
Running on: 300MHz Pentium, 128MB RAM, 8.4GB HD, 56k modem, Windows 98
SE
Mozilla Firefox 1.0, Gravity 2.70, Wget as downloader
Does DOS Orcad has a *really easy to use* symbol editor? Ideally I wouldIf you finally want to make a PCB, then you choose the PCB program and live
with the schematic entry program that comes with it.
It's nonsense to buy any schematic drawing program and then later
buy a PCB-layout program from another vendor.
I disagree. Everyone should use DOS Orcad for schematics and PADS 2K for
the PCBs. Suggesting anything else is doing a disservice to humanity.
draw the package, put the pins and forget it.
(EAGLE managed to make symbol editing a very complicated task...)
--
Chaos MasterŽ, posting from Canoas, Brazil - 29.55° S / 51.11° W
"People told me I can't dress like a fairy.
I say, I'm in a rock band and I can do what the hell I want!"
-- Amy Lee
Running on: 300MHz Pentium, 128MB RAM, 8.4GB HD, 56k modem, Windows 98
SE
Mozilla Firefox 1.0, Gravity 2.70, Wget as downloader
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Ken Smith
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In article <MPG.1c4a59e73aa322e898989e@130.133.1.4>,
Chaos Master <e-mail@is.INVALID> wrote:
(1) Block parts:
With a block part you just get a rectangular box with pins around the
outside. This is good for things like RAM chips.
(2) Graphical parts:
A graphical part is made up of lines and arcs. You can also fill areas
but there are problems with the filling method on plots so I don't use it.
There can be up to 16 parts in a package and it keeps track of the pin
numbers for each of the parts independantly. This allows you to have a
package were some pins do not appear in some of the parts. Power pins,
for example are usually onely shown on part "A".
It handles things like diodes where the pins are "A" and "C" by saying
there are "zero" parts in the package. With zero parts, the pin numbering
goes away and pin naming takes over.
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Chaos Master <e-mail@is.INVALID> wrote:
The library editor knows about two types of parts:Ken Smith stated:
If you finally want to make a PCB, then you choose the PCB program and live
with the schematic entry program that comes with it.
It's nonsense to buy any schematic drawing program and then later
buy a PCB-layout program from another vendor.
I disagree. Everyone should use DOS Orcad for schematics and PADS 2K for
the PCBs. Suggesting anything else is doing a disservice to humanity.
Does DOS Orcad has a *really easy to use* symbol editor? Ideally I would
draw the package, put the pins and forget it.
(1) Block parts:
With a block part you just get a rectangular box with pins around the
outside. This is good for things like RAM chips.
(2) Graphical parts:
A graphical part is made up of lines and arcs. You can also fill areas
but there are problems with the filling method on plots so I don't use it.
There can be up to 16 parts in a package and it keeps track of the pin
numbers for each of the parts independantly. This allows you to have a
package were some pins do not appear in some of the parts. Power pins,
for example are usually onely shown on part "A".
It handles things like diodes where the pins are "A" and "C" by saying
there are "zero" parts in the package. With zero parts, the pin numbering
goes away and pin naming takes over.
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Chaos Master
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Ken Smith stated:
find it on EAGLE.
Looks good... I will try to find DOS OrCAD in one of those 'old
software' sites.
[]s
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Chaos MasterŽ, posting from Canoas, Brazil - 29.55° S / 51.11° W
"People told me I can't dress like a fairy.
I say, I'm in a rock band and I can do what the hell I want!"
-- Amy Lee
Running on: 300MHz Pentium, 128MB RAM, 8.4GB HD, 56k modem, Windows 98
SE
Mozilla Firefox 1.0, Gravity 2.70, Wget as downloader
This is exactly what is missing from EAGLE, or I am too blind to notDoes DOS Orcad has a *really easy to use* symbol editor? Ideally I would
draw the package, put the pins and forget it.
The library editor knows about two types of parts:
(1) Block parts:
With a block part you just get a rectangular box with pins around the
outside. This is good for things like RAM chips.
find it on EAGLE.
(2) Graphical parts:
A graphical part is made up of lines and arcs. You can also fill areas
but there are problems with the filling method on plots so I don't use it.
Looks good... I will try to find DOS OrCAD in one of those 'old
software' sites.
[]s
--
Chaos MasterŽ, posting from Canoas, Brazil - 29.55° S / 51.11° W
"People told me I can't dress like a fairy.
I say, I'm in a rock band and I can do what the hell I want!"
-- Amy Lee
Running on: 300MHz Pentium, 128MB RAM, 8.4GB HD, 56k modem, Windows 98
SE
Mozilla Firefox 1.0, Gravity 2.70, Wget as downloader
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Terry Pinnell
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<redd103@charter.net> wrote:
http://www.terrypin.dial.pipex.com/ECADList.html
Terry Pinnell
Hobbyist, West Sussex, UK
See my notes and links to some 60 ECAD programs atLooking for input on a good schematic entry CAD. Will be doing mostly
digital circiutry.
http://www.terrypin.dial.pipex.com/ECADList.html
Terry Pinnell
Hobbyist, West Sussex, UK
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JeffM
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I like the seamless integration of a layout package in Eagle.
Joerg
Amen, brother.
0) If editing a device, save it and close it.With respect to lib symbol editing
DOS-Orcad wins hands down in my opinion.
Mainly because it allows block mode.
It is a bit clunky in EAGLE, but it does work.
1) Open a dev (pac?) which contains the stuff you want to copy.
2) Group and copy.
3) Close the dev.
4) Open the dev (pac?) you want to edit.
5) Paste what's on the Library Editor Clipboard.
(Ah. It's a separate buffer!)
6) Save the pac.
7) Register the pac with the dev; save and close the dev.
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Chaos Master
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Boris Mohar stated:
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Chaos MasterŽ, posting from Canoas, Brazil - 29.55° S / 51.11° W
"People told me I can't dress like a fairy.
I say, I'm in a rock band and I can do what the hell I want!"
-- Amy Lee
Running on: 300MHz Pentium, 128MB RAM, 8.4GB HD, 56k modem, Windows 98
SE
Mozilla Firefox 1.0, Gravity 2.70, Wget as downloader
GREAT! Will be downloading this soon.s
Try this one.
http://www.elektroda.net/download/file952.html
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Chaos MasterŽ, posting from Canoas, Brazil - 29.55° S / 51.11° W
"People told me I can't dress like a fairy.
I say, I'm in a rock band and I can do what the hell I want!"
-- Amy Lee
Running on: 300MHz Pentium, 128MB RAM, 8.4GB HD, 56k modem, Windows 98
SE
Mozilla Firefox 1.0, Gravity 2.70, Wget as downloader
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Joerg
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Hi Jeff,
block mode which suffices for most chips. Eagle forces you to do most of
it with mouse or trackball, like modeling in a mechanical CAD package.
It's ok, it's just that after half a day of doing that the lower portion
of the arm starts to hurt and then you really have to go easy because
carpal tunnel inflammation does not heal quickly. I find that even
chopping firewood is easier on my arms ;-)
In Orcad I did this mostly without a mouse. Actually, my first laptop
(that trusty old late 80's Wang) didn't have a mouse and when on the
road or rather on the train I did not carry one along.
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com
Yes, it took me a while but I figured it out. Still, Eagle doesn't offerWith respect to lib symbol editing
DOS-Orcad wins hands down in my opinion.
Mainly because it allows block mode.
It is a bit clunky in EAGLE, but it does work.
0) If editing a device, save it and close it.
1) Open a dev (pac?) which contains the stuff you want to copy.
2) Group and copy.
3) Close the dev.
4) Open the dev (pac?) you want to edit.
5) Paste what's on the Library Editor Clipboard.
(Ah. It's a separate buffer!)
6) Save the pac.
7) Register the pac with the dev; save and close the dev.
block mode which suffices for most chips. Eagle forces you to do most of
it with mouse or trackball, like modeling in a mechanical CAD package.
It's ok, it's just that after half a day of doing that the lower portion
of the arm starts to hurt and then you really have to go easy because
carpal tunnel inflammation does not heal quickly. I find that even
chopping firewood is easier on my arms ;-)
In Orcad I did this mostly without a mouse. Actually, my first laptop
(that trusty old late 80's Wang) didn't have a mouse and when on the
road or rather on the train I did not carry one along.
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com
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qrk
Guest
I'll agree that Orcad SDT386+ is a wonderful schematic program. It is
my primary schematic editor. Folks have released new VESA video
drivers, HP Laserjet drivers, and modified Orcad utilities. You can
find these items on:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dos-orcad/files/ (obsolete group)
The new DOS Orcad group is at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OldDosOrcad/
One of the nice features of SDT is making parts in an ASCII text
editor. You can copy & paste the pin assignments from the data sheet
and edit with a text editor that supports macros like UltraEdit or
Semware's QEdit. Xilinx publishes an ASCII text file with just the
pinouts of their parts. Sure saves a load of time when doing 100+ pin
parts.
my primary schematic editor. Folks have released new VESA video
drivers, HP Laserjet drivers, and modified Orcad utilities. You can
find these items on:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dos-orcad/files/ (obsolete group)
The new DOS Orcad group is at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OldDosOrcad/
One of the nice features of SDT is making parts in an ASCII text
editor. You can copy & paste the pin assignments from the data sheet
and edit with a text editor that supports macros like UltraEdit or
Semware's QEdit. Xilinx publishes an ASCII text file with just the
pinouts of their parts. Sure saves a load of time when doing 100+ pin
parts.
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en
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<redd103@charter.net> wrote in message news:79GDd.2721$Cs.1546@fe04.lga...
Now try pinting. The print out is not 1:1. How the heck do I get a 1:1
print out of just these few parts?
FWIT , I just d/l Pulsonix Demo. I placed 3 = 16pin DIPs, 10 resistors.Looking for input on a good schematic entry CAD. Will be doing mostly
digital circiutry.
TIA
Wendell
Now try pinting. The print out is not 1:1. How the heck do I get a 1:1
print out of just these few parts?
B
Boris Mohar
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:35:40 GMT, "en" <res7nl33@verizon.net> wrote:
Regards,
Boris Mohar
Got Knock? - see:
Viatrack Printed Circuit Designs (among other things) http://www.viatrack.ca
redd103@charter.net> wrote in message news:79GDd.2721$Cs.1546@fe04.lga...
Looking for input on a good schematic entry CAD. Will be doing mostly
digital circiutry.
TIA
Wendell
FWIT , I just d/l Pulsonix Demo. I placed 3 = 16pin DIPs, 10 resistors.
Now try pinting. The print out is not 1:1. How the heck do I get a 1:1
print out of just these few parts?
Are you printing the schematic or layout?
Regards,
Boris Mohar
Got Knock? - see:
Viatrack Printed Circuit Designs (among other things) http://www.viatrack.ca
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en
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"Boris Mohar" <borism_-void-_@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:82l8v0te4sk4e924smofult8876dd3nbhq@4ax.com...
components
on a PCB, Printed Circuit Board. Not a schematic. A schematic is in
reference to
a circuit layout , which is not a PCB. I'm not using any netlist, I'm
making a PCB
w/o a schematic, imagine that, I don't need a schematic right now.
news:82l8v0te4sk4e924smofult8876dd3nbhq@4ax.com...
I wrote that I placed 3 IC's and some resistors. This means I'm placingOn Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:35:40 GMT, "en" <res7nl33@verizon.net> wrote:
redd103@charter.net> wrote in message
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Looking for input on a good schematic entry CAD. Will be doing mostly
digital circiutry.
TIA
Wendell
FWIT , I just d/l Pulsonix Demo. I placed 3 = 16pin DIPs, 10 resistors.
Now try pinting. The print out is not 1:1. How the heck do I get a 1:1
print out of just these few parts?
Are you printing the schematic or layout?
Regards, Boris Mohar
components
on a PCB, Printed Circuit Board. Not a schematic. A schematic is in
reference to
a circuit layout , which is not a PCB. I'm not using any netlist, I'm
making a PCB
w/o a schematic, imagine that, I don't need a schematic right now.
L
Leon Heller
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"en" <res7nl33@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:wpXId.10664$J6.416@trnddc02...
File>Print. You will need to tell it you want to output to the Windows
printer (CAM/Plots tab), as it will probably default to Gerber output.
You should join my Pulsonix Users Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PulsonixUG/
Leon
news:wpXId.10664$J6.416@trnddc02...
To get 1:1 you need to use Output>CAM/Plot (or Shift-P) instead ofredd103@charter.net> wrote in message news:79GDd.2721$Cs.1546@fe04.lga...
Looking for input on a good schematic entry CAD. Will be doing mostly
digital circiutry.
TIA
Wendell
FWIT , I just d/l Pulsonix Demo. I placed 3 = 16pin DIPs, 10 resistors.
Now try pinting. The print out is not 1:1. How the heck do I get a 1:1
print out of just these few parts?
File>Print. You will need to tell it you want to output to the Windows
printer (CAM/Plots tab), as it will probably default to Gerber output.
You should join my Pulsonix Users Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PulsonixUG/
Leon
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EN
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"en" <res7nl33@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:wpXId.10664$J6.416@trnddc02...
To get 1:1 you need to use Output>CAM/Plot (or Shift-P) .
Don't use File>Print.
You will need to tell Pulsonix to output to the Windows printer
(CAM/Plots tab), as it will probably default to Gerber output.
Join the Pulsonix Users Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PulsonixUG/
news:wpXId.10664$J6.416@trnddc02...
redd103@charter.net> wrote in message news:79GDd.2721$Cs.1546@fe04.lga...
Looking for input on a good schematic entry CAD. Will be doing mostly
digital circiutry.
TIA
Wendell
FWIT , I just d/l Pulsonix Demo. I placed 3 = 16pin DIPs, 10 resistors.
Now try pinting. The print out is not 1:1. How the heck do I get a 1:1
print out of just these few parts?
To get 1:1 you need to use Output>CAM/Plot (or Shift-P) .
Don't use File>Print.
You will need to tell Pulsonix to output to the Windows printer
(CAM/Plots tab), as it will probably default to Gerber output.
Join the Pulsonix Users Group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PulsonixUG/
K
Ken Smith
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In article <41dfe4ce$1@news1.ethz.ch>,
nyffeler <nyffeler@phys.chem.ethz.ch> wrote:
find any fault with it.
buggy. I briefly tried to use it. I found it near imposible to enter
information such as package sizes. It doesn't have a macro feature that
works so you have to manually go through the process over and over. To
make matters worse, the same sequence of key strokes and mouse moves does
not produce the same result each time. You have to stop and look to see
where the cursor ended up before you can start typing. When it bombed out
completely, I gave up and went back to the DOS one.
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nyffeler <nyffeler@phys.chem.ethz.ch> wrote:
What did you find wrong with it? I am very surprised that anyone couldIn article <crnp1c$orq$4@blue.rahul.net>, kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken
Smith) wrote:
In article <79GDd.2721$Cs.1546@fe04.lga>, <redd103@charter.net> wrote:
Looking for input on a good schematic entry CAD. Will be doing mostly
digital circiutry.
The old DOS Orcad was the best one ever created by Man.
For me it was awful.
find any fault with it.
Now, there's a truely awful program. It is hard to use and the UI is veryMeanwhile I've learned to deal with Orcad V10.
buggy. I briefly tried to use it. I found it near imposible to enter
information such as package sizes. It doesn't have a macro feature that
works so you have to manually go through the process over and over. To
make matters worse, the same sequence of key strokes and mouse moves does
not produce the same result each time. You have to stop and look to see
where the cursor ended up before you can start typing. When it bombed out
completely, I gave up and went back to the DOS one.
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