Battery charger part

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LSMFT

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Can somebody tell me what this part is?
It's a plate with 2 contacts. 2 12vac outputs from the transformer are
connected to the contacts. The output is the positive charging lead.
The other output of the transformer goes through what looks like a 12v
12a diode though I'm not sure if it is a diode. Then goes through the
meter to the negative charging lead.
It's an old charger, puts out 13.5vdc on the charger, tapers down to
zero when the battery is charged. Tough charger, dropped it a couple
times on the concrete floor. Unknown maker.

http://tinypic.com/m/bimp1g/2 Diode
http://tinypic.com/m/bimp6p/2 Plate
http://tinypic.com/m/bimp83/2 Transformer
http://tinypic.com/m/bimp9h/2 Plate contact
http://tinypic.com/m/bimpah/2 Meter connection
http://tinypic.com/m/bimpeb/2 Charger



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On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:53:36 -0400, LSMFT <boleyn7@aol.com> wrote:

Can somebody tell me what this part is?
It's a plate with 2 contacts. 2 12vac outputs from the transformer are
connected to the contacts. The output is the positive charging lead.
The other output of the transformer goes through what looks like a 12v
12a diode though I'm not sure if it is a diode. Then goes through the
meter to the negative charging lead.
It's an old charger, puts out 13.5vdc on the charger, tapers down to
zero when the battery is charged. Tough charger, dropped it a couple
times on the concrete floor. Unknown maker.

http://tinypic.com/m/bimp1g/2 Diode - This seems to be a 12v- 12amp thermal self-reset circuit breaker
http://tinypic.com/m/bimp6p/2 Plate - Probably the rectifiers (2) - may be selenium
http://tinypic.com/m/bimp83/2 Transformer
http://tinypic.com/m/bimp9h/2 Plate contact
http://tinypic.com/m/bimpah/2 Meter connection
http://tinypic.com/m/bimpeb/2 Charger
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Mr.E
 
nesesu wrote:
On Sep 10, 6:53 am, LSMFT<bole...@aol.com> wrote:
Can somebody tell me what this part is?
It's a plate with 2 contacts. 2 12vac outputs from the transformer are
connected to the contacts. The output is the positive charging lead.
The other output of the transformer goes through what looks like a 12v
12a diode though I'm not sure if it is a diode. Then goes through the
meter to the negative charging lead.
It's an old charger, puts out 13.5vdc on the charger, tapers down to
zero when the battery is charged. Tough charger, dropped it a couple
times on the concrete floor. Unknown maker.

http://tinypic.com/m/bimp1g/2 Diodehttp://tinypic.com/m/bimp6p/2 Platehttp://tinypic.com/m/bimp83/2 Transformerhttp://tinypic.com/m/bimp9h/2 Plate contacthttp://tinypic.com/m/bimpah/2 Meter connectionhttp://tinypic.com/m/bimpeb/2 Charger

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LSMFT

I look outside this morning and everything was in 3D!

THe 'plate' is the rectifier. The two brown plasitc 'pucks' are the
actual diodes. The 'diode' in your photo is the circuit breaker [12A].
Very typical simple full wave rectifier battery charger.

Neil S.
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So I should be able to replace the 'plate' with a solid state full wave
bridge rectifier?
What causes the tapering down effect as the battery charges?


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LSMFT

I look outside this morning and everything was in 3D!
 
On 9/10/2010 9:20 AM, LSMFT wrote:
So I should be able to replace the 'plate' with a solid state
full wave bridge rectifier?
Click to expand...
You have solid state full wave rectifier. A bridge will give
you twice the output voltage.

What causes the tapering down effect as the battery charges?
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The output voltage of the charger is fixed, as the battery
voltage comes us (charges) the current goes down.

Jeff
 
Jeffrey Angus wrote:
On 9/10/2010 9:20 AM, LSMFT wrote:
So I should be able to replace the 'plate' with a solid state
full wave bridge rectifier?

You have solid state full wave rectifier. A bridge will give
you twice the output voltage.
Click to expand...
Are you sure?

What causes the tapering down effect as the battery charges?

The output voltage of the charger is fixed, as the battery
voltage comes us (charges) the current goes down.

Jeff
Click to expand...

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LSMFT

I look outside this morning and everything was in 3D!
 
On 9/10/2010 9:33 AM, LSMFT wrote:
Jeffrey Angus wrote:
On 9/10/2010 9:20 AM, LSMFT wrote:
So I should be able to replace the 'plate' with a solid state
full wave bridge rectifier?

You have solid state full wave rectifier. A bridge will give
you twice the output voltage.

Are you sure?
Click to expand...
Yes, the key here is the word bridge.

There are two diodes in a simple full wave rectifier.
AND a center tap on the transformer. Only one half of the
winding is conducted through a diode at a time. But since
they alternate, it's a full wave rectifier.

A bridge rectifier has four diodes, and goes across the
entire output winding. So you'll get twice the voltage.

Jeff
 
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:02:58 -0500, Jeffrey Angus wrote:
On 9/10/2010 9:33 AM, LSMFT wrote:
Jeffrey Angus wrote:
On 9/10/2010 9:20 AM, LSMFT wrote:
So I should be able to replace the 'plate' with a solid state
full wave bridge rectifier?

You have solid state full wave rectifier. A bridge will give
you twice the output voltage.

Are you sure?

Yes, the key here is the word bridge.

There are two diodes in a simple full wave rectifier.
AND a center tap on the transformer. Only one half of the
winding is conducted through a diode at a time. But since
they alternate, it's a full wave rectifier.

A bridge rectifier has four diodes, and goes across the
entire output winding. So you'll get twice the voltage.
Click to expand...
Not if you hook it up simply as a full wave rectifier -- leaving
the other 'side' (probably marked with a minus ("-") sign) floating.

Jonesy
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On Sep 10, 6:53 am, LSMFT <bole...@aol.com> wrote:
Can somebody tell me what this part is?
It's a plate with 2 contacts. 2 12vac outputs from the transformer are
connected to the contacts. The output is the positive charging lead.
The other output of the transformer goes through what looks like a 12v
12a diode though I'm not sure if it is a diode. Then goes through the
meter to the negative charging lead.
It's an old charger, puts out 13.5vdc on the charger, tapers down to
zero when the battery is charged. Tough charger, dropped it a couple
times on the concrete floor. Unknown maker.

http://tinypic.com/m/bimp1g/2      Diodehttp://tinypic.com/m/bimp6p/2      Platehttp://tinypic.com/m/bimp83/2      Transformerhttp://tinypic.com/m/bimp9h/2      Plate contacthttp://tinypic.com/m/bimpah/2      Meter connectionhttp://tinypic.com/m/bimpeb/2      Charger

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LSMFT

I look outside this morning and everything was in 3D!
Click to expand...
THe 'plate' is the rectifier. The two brown plasitc 'pucks' are the
actual diodes. The 'diode' in your photo is the circuit breaker [12A].
Very typical simple full wave rectifier battery charger.

Neil S.
 
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:33:01 -0400, LSMFT <boleyn7@aol.com> wrote:

Jeffrey Angus wrote:
On 9/10/2010 9:20 AM, LSMFT wrote:
So I should be able to replace the 'plate' with a solid state
full wave bridge rectifier?

You have solid state full wave rectifier. A bridge will give
you twice the output voltage.

Are you sure?
Click to expand...
Yes, he's sure. So are most of the rest of us. Two diodes in a full
wave rectifier.

What causes the tapering down effect as the battery charges?

The output voltage of the charger is fixed, as the battery
voltage comes us (charges) the current goes down.

Jeff
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The part in the first pic ("diode") is a circuit breaker. The two
ceramic buttons on the "plate" are the diode rectifiers, that'd be a
half-wave bridge configuration.

Hope that helps!

On 9/10/10 8:53 AM, LSMFT wrote:
Can somebody tell me what this part is?
It's a plate with 2 contacts. 2 12vac outputs from the transformer are
connected to the contacts. The output is the positive charging lead.
The other output of the transformer goes through what looks like a 12v
12a diode though I'm not sure if it is a diode. Then goes through the
meter to the negative charging lead.
It's an old charger, puts out 13.5vdc on the charger, tapers down to
zero when the battery is charged. Tough charger, dropped it a couple
times on the concrete floor. Unknown maker.

http://tinypic.com/m/bimp1g/2 Diode
http://tinypic.com/m/bimp6p/2 Plate
http://tinypic.com/m/bimp83/2 Transformer
http://tinypic.com/m/bimp9h/2 Plate contact
http://tinypic.com/m/bimpah/2 Meter connection
http://tinypic.com/m/bimpeb/2 Charger
Click to expand...

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On Sep 10, 10:06 am, LSMFT <bole...@aol.com> wrote:
Jeffrey Angus wrote:
On 9/10/2010 9:33 AM, LSMFT wrote:
Jeffrey Angus wrote:
On 9/10/2010 9:20 AM, LSMFT wrote:
So I should be able to replace the 'plate' with a solid state
full wave bridge rectifier?

You have solid state full wave rectifier. A bridge will give
you twice the output voltage.

Are you sure?

Yes, the key here is the word bridge.

There are two diodes in a simple full wave rectifier.
AND a center tap on the transformer. Only one half of the
winding is conducted through a diode at a time. But since
they alternate, it's a full wave rectifier.

A bridge rectifier has four diodes, and goes across the
entire output winding. So you'll get twice the voltage.

Jeff

The wave pulse is doubled but the voltage is not I believe. The peaks
remain at the same level in my experience.

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LSMFT
- Show quoted text -
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I am not sure what you are saying here. Jeff is quite correct. With
the existing rectifier you get one positive peak of DC output every
half cycle, therefore it is 'Full Wave'.
There is little point in replacing the rectifiers since thay appear to
be [or similar to] Motorola MR type 50A silicon diodes attached to the
heat sink. anything you replace them with is not likely to be any
better and could be much worse.

Neil S.
 
oops. full-wave, but not bridge.
On 9/11/10 10:41 AM, Paul Nelson wrote:
The part in the first pic ("diode") is a circuit breaker. The two
ceramic buttons on the "plate" are the diode rectifiers, that'd be a
half-wave bridge configuration.

Hope that helps!

On 9/10/10 8:53 AM, LSMFT wrote:
Can somebody tell me what this part is?
It's a plate with 2 contacts. 2 12vac outputs from the transformer are
connected to the contacts. The output is the positive charging lead.
The other output of the transformer goes through what looks like a 12v
12a diode though I'm not sure if it is a diode. Then goes through the
meter to the negative charging lead.
It's an old charger, puts out 13.5vdc on the charger, tapers down to
zero when the battery is charged. Tough charger, dropped it a couple
times on the concrete floor. Unknown maker.

http://tinypic.com/m/bimp1g/2 Diode
http://tinypic.com/m/bimp6p/2 Plate
http://tinypic.com/m/bimp83/2 Transformer
http://tinypic.com/m/bimp9h/2 Plate contact
http://tinypic.com/m/bimpah/2 Meter connection
http://tinypic.com/m/bimpeb/2 Charger
Click to expand...

--
Paul Nelson W5GNF "When I go, I want to go quietly, in my
Ames, Iowa sleep, like my grandfather- not
Senior Engineer (Retired) screaming, like his passengers."
Sauer-Danfoss Company
(DrHydro@qwest.net)
"More hay, Trigger?"
ex-Cessna 140 N77149 (sigh) "No thanks, Roy, I'm stuffed."
 
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 12:28:15 -0500, Paul Nelson <drhydro@qwest.net> wrote:

oops. full-wave, but not bridge.
Click to expand...
But you could replace the diodes with a bridge, just ignore either the
plus or minus terminal on bridge and use centre tap of transformer as
per existing circuit. Those high current large bridges are probably
easier to buy and mount on the heatsink than a pair of power diodes.

The unused pair of diodes in the bridge wont do any harm.

Grant.

On 9/11/10 10:41 AM, Paul Nelson wrote:
The part in the first pic ("diode") is a circuit breaker. The two
ceramic buttons on the "plate" are the diode rectifiers, that'd be a
half-wave bridge configuration.

Hope that helps!

On 9/10/10 8:53 AM, LSMFT wrote:
Can somebody tell me what this part is?
It's a plate with 2 contacts. 2 12vac outputs from the transformer are
connected to the contacts. The output is the positive charging lead.
The other output of the transformer goes through what looks like a 12v
12a diode though I'm not sure if it is a diode. Then goes through the
meter to the negative charging lead.
It's an old charger, puts out 13.5vdc on the charger, tapers down to
zero when the battery is charged. Tough charger, dropped it a couple
times on the concrete floor. Unknown maker.

http://tinypic.com/m/bimp1g/2 Diode
http://tinypic.com/m/bimp6p/2 Plate
http://tinypic.com/m/bimp83/2 Transformer
http://tinypic.com/m/bimp9h/2 Plate contact
http://tinypic.com/m/bimpah/2 Meter connection
http://tinypic.com/m/bimpeb/2 Charger
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As mentioned, the 12V 12A part is a circuit breaker, a self-resetting type
which opens when heat from high current causes it to open, then closes again
when it cools. The opening action will repeat if the current draw/load is
excessive.

The plate assembly has 3 connections, not 2. A (black?) wire lead is
connected directly to the plate.
The plate is a heatsink for the 2 red diodes. The red diodes are silicon
types with terminals/contacts on each side/end. Two diode terminals contact
the plate, and the other terminals contact the metal holders that the other
2 wire leads are connected to (green & green?).

The diodes need to be in their original specific orientations for the
correct output of the charger.
Mark the diodes before removal, or make sure of their orientation before
removal, as the anode and cathode may not be marked. The part number or
other printing around the body may be the only indication of the diode
polarity. With the printing viewed right-side-up, the top contacts should be
the same terminals.. A or C.
Or, there may be a diode symbol printed to indicate A and C.
Or use an ohmeter to determine polarity of the diodes.

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Cheers,
WB
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Can somebody tell me what this part is?
It's a plate with 2 contacts. 2 12vac outputs from the transformer are
connected to the contacts. The output is the positive charging lead.
The other output of the transformer goes through what looks like a 12v 12a
diode though I'm not sure if it is a diode. Then goes through the meter to
the negative charging lead.
It's an old charger, puts out 13.5vdc on the charger, tapers down to zero
when the battery is charged. Tough charger, dropped it a couple times on
the concrete floor. Unknown maker.

http://tinypic.com/m/bimp1g/2 Diode
http://tinypic.com/m/bimp6p/2 Plate
http://tinypic.com/m/bimp83/2 Transformer
http://tinypic.com/m/bimp9h/2 Plate contact
http://tinypic.com/m/bimpah/2 Meter connection
http://tinypic.com/m/bimpeb/2 Charger



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I look outside this morning and everything was in 3D!
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