Bare-Bones X10

Jim Thompson · Nov 18, 2003

I need to implement some bare-bones X10 functions... contact closure
on one side of house closes a relay on the other side.

Trying to sort out the X10 sites is confusing.

Lots of expensive/who-needs-it features.

Can someone point me to "bare-bones" ?

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson
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Neil · Nov 18, 2003

What I have used on occasion are wireless doorbell units that have had the
guts stripped out of them. Often you can find them for less than $10.00.
This is a simple pushbutton on transmitter, relay closure on receiver type
of function.
Kim
"Jim Thompson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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I need to implement some bare-bones X10 functions... contact closure
on one side of house closes a relay on the other side.

Trying to sort out the X10 sites is confusing.

Lots of expensive/who-needs-it features.

Can someone point me to "bare-bones" ?

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson
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John · Nov 18, 2003

Repost on comp.home.automation

John

"Jim Thompson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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I need to implement some bare-bones X10 functions... contact closure
on one side of house closes a relay on the other side.

Trying to sort out the X10 sites is confusing.

Lots of expensive/who-needs-it features.

Can someone point me to "bare-bones" ?

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson
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| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Joseph Meehan · Nov 18, 2003

You can do that with just two parts.

Check out smarthome.com

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John

"Jim Thompson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:t5rirv8rmoph0e2jf5ckhjfe9tpqidodmv@4ax.com...
I need to implement some bare-bones X10 functions... contact closure
on one side of house closes a relay on the other side.

Trying to sort out the X10 sites is confusing.

Lots of expensive/who-needs-it features.

Can someone point me to "bare-bones" ?

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

joe · Nov 18, 2003

x10 on ebay is usually cheaper

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You can do that with just two parts.

Check out smarthome.com

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26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

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Repost on comp.home.automation

John

"Jim Thompson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:t5rirv8rmoph0e2jf5ckhjfe9tpqidodmv@4ax.com...
I need to implement some bare-bones X10 functions... contact closure
on one side of house closes a relay on the other side.

Trying to sort out the X10 sites is confusing.

Lots of expensive/who-needs-it features.

Can someone point me to "bare-bones" ?

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Paul Hovnanian P.E. · Nov 18, 2003

Jim Thompson wrote:

I need to implement some bare-bones X10 functions... contact closure
on one side of house closes a relay on the other side.

Trying to sort out the X10 sites is confusing.

Lots of expensive/who-needs-it features.

Can someone point me to "bare-bones" ?

I'm not sure if this is the cheapest source, but this is the simplest
X10 transmitter:

http://www.x10pro.com/pro/catalog/psc01.page12.html

You can use any standard X10 relay module to control line voltage loads.
Or this one for
dry contacts:

http://www.x10pro.com/pro/catalog/pum01.phh02.page10.html

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Mark Jones · Nov 18, 2003

In news:t5rirv8rmoph0e2jf5ckhjfe9tpqidodmv@4ax.com (Jim Thompson):

I need to implement some bare-bones X10 functions... contact closure
on one side of house closes a relay on the other side.

Trying to sort out the X10 sites is confusing.

Lots of expensive/who-needs-it features.

Can someone point me to "bare-bones" ?

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson

Hi Jim, I bet you don't want to learn PIC programming, but if you (or your
son) is handy with uC's, then give this comprehensive writeup a shot:

http://www.microchip.com/download/appnote/pic16/00236a.pdf

Regards,
Mark

Jeff · Nov 18, 2003

Hi Jim, I bet you don't want to learn PIC programming, but if you (or
your
son) is handy with uC's, then give this comprehensive writeup a shot:

http://www.microchip.com/download/appnote/pic16/00236a.pdf

Regards,
Mark

Comprehensive would be about the right word for that sheet! I don't like
PIC's (I like AVR's much better), but I have to give Microchip credit for
some of its data sheets along with some of their other IC's.

Joseph Meehan · Nov 18, 2003

Good comment. I was suggesting them as a source of information about
what is available, but I did not make that clear. I do tend to buy from
them as well as they are not too high and I have experience with them and
trust them.

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x10 on ebay is usually cheaper

Nukie Poo · Nov 18, 2003

"Joseph Meehan" <sligojoeSPAM2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:wdmub.19253$kL2.9280@fe3.columbus.rr.com...

Good comment. I was suggesting them as a source of information about
what is available, but I did not make that clear. I do tend to buy from
them as well as they are not too high and I have experience with them and
trust them.

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math

"joe" <joe45646654@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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x10 on ebay is usually cheaper

For new X-10 devices, try http://www.worthdist.com/ . I have yet to find
lower prices anywhere else and install a lot of those types of controls.

Jim Thompson · Nov 19, 2003

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:30:08 -0500, "John" <Don't_Spam_Me@msn.com>
wrote:

Repost on comp.home.automation

John

"Jim Thompson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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I need to implement some bare-bones X10 functions... contact closure
on one side of house closes a relay on the other side.

Trying to sort out the X10 sites is confusing.

Lots of expensive/who-needs-it features.

Can someone point me to "bare-bones" ?

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson

480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax

Spehro Pefhany · Nov 19, 2003

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:06:50 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Strange coming from me... I buy everything, but how does X10 work? I
only need to create a switch path thru an un-wireable location... like
30' of concrete patio.

...Jim Thompson

The original X10 superimposes a high frequency carrier-current signal
on the line voltage. Some of the modules now use RF. Either way, no
added wiring, but with the carrier current method you need to have
somewhere to plug in both sides.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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the Wiz · Nov 19, 2003

Jim Thompson <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

I need to implement some bare-bones X10 functions... contact closure
on one side of house closes a relay on the other side.

Trying to sort out the X10 sites is confusing.

Lots of expensive/who-needs-it features.

Can someone point me to "bare-bones" ?

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson

The "universal" modules http://www.x10.com/automation/x10_um506.htm have contact
closure outputs.

There are plug-in controllers http://www.x10.com/automation/x10_mc460.htm (and
others http://www.x10.com/automation/product_plug_controllers.htm)
and wireless controllers (for 16 devices
http://www.x10.com/automation/x10_hr12a.htm) and others
http://www.x10.com/automation/product_wireless_remotes.htm

Wireless controllers need a wireless transceiver
http://www.x10.com/automation/x10_tm751.htm.

There is also a plug-in module with an RS-232 interface
http://www.x10.com/automation/x10_tw523.htm

More about me: http://www.jecarter.com/
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hamilton · Nov 19, 2003

history of X-10

http://www.hometoys.com/htinews/feb99/articles/kingery/kingery13.htm

the Wiz wrote:

Jim Thompson <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

I need to implement some bare-bones X10 functions... contact closure
on one side of house closes a relay on the other side.

Trying to sort out the X10 sites is confusing.

Lots of expensive/who-needs-it features.

Can someone point me to "bare-bones" ?

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson

The "universal" modules http://www.x10.com/automation/x10_um506.htm have contact
closure outputs.

There are plug-in controllers http://www.x10.com/automation/x10_mc460.htm (and
others http://www.x10.com/automation/product_plug_controllers.htm)
and wireless controllers (for 16 devices
http://www.x10.com/automation/x10_hr12a.htm) and others
http://www.x10.com/automation/product_wireless_remotes.htm

Wireless controllers need a wireless transceiver
http://www.x10.com/automation/x10_tm751.htm.

There is also a plug-in module with an RS-232 interface
http://www.x10.com/automation/x10_tw523.htm

More about me: http://www.jecarter.com/
VB3/VB6/NSBasic Palm/C/PowerBasic source code: http://www.jecarter.com/programs.html
Drivers for Pablo graphics tablet and JamCam cameras: http://home.earthlink.net/~mwbt/
johnecarter at@at mindspring dot.dot com. Fix the obvious to reply by email.

Houseslave · Nov 19, 2003

I bought an X10 alarm system and still can't get all the alarms to trip. I
tried various troubleshooting methods and devices with no luck. I would go
with RF devices. I wish I could return the whole system.

Rich Webb · Nov 19, 2003

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 03:33:40 GMT, "Houseslave"
<houseslave234@optonline.net> wrote:

I bought an X10 alarm system and still can't get all the alarms to trip. I
tried various troubleshooting methods and devices with no luck. I would go
with RF devices. I wish I could return the whole system.

[Followup set to sci.electronics.misc]

X10 (and any powerline system) has to deal with sites that are served by
multiple phases. The alarms that aren't tripping may be on a different
phase than the host box.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

Paul Hovnanian P.E. · Nov 19, 2003

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 18:06:50 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

Strange coming from me... I buy everything, but how does X10 work? I
only need to create a switch path thru an un-wireable location... like
30' of concrete patio.

...Jim Thompson

The original X10 superimposes a high frequency carrier-current signal
on the line voltage. Some of the modules now use RF. Either way, no
added wiring, but with the carrier current method you need to have
somewhere to plug in both sides.

It actually sends a signal burst right around the 60 Hz zero crossing
point. X10 will work across both legs of a single phase 240 V circuit,
either through the distribution transformer
secondary, some 240V loads or a special coupling capacitor. You'll need
a special (or should I say $pecial) repeater to use it between separate
legs of a three phase system.

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Houseslave · Nov 19, 2003

I bought a plug in to fix this but still no luck. Apparently, my computer's
battery backup is causing interference. I need a professional grade
isolator. They are not cheap. The 50.00 isolators won't fix the problem.

Mark Jones · Nov 19, 2003

In news:JBjub.30598$R13.871873@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca (Jeff):

Hi Jim, I bet you don't want to learn PIC programming, but if you (or
your son) is handy with uC's, then give this comprehensive writeup a
shot:

http://www.microchip.com/download/appnote/pic16/00236a.pdf

Regards,
Mark

Comprehensive would be about the right word for that sheet! I don't like
PIC's (I like AVR's much better), but I have to give Microchip credit
for some of its data sheets along with some of their other IC's.

It really is a great example of assembly programming and X10 specification.
Someday, if I ever get these other projects done... I might consider
building an X10 controller system. Lot of work though, you're right.

Nov 23, 2003

Jim Thompson wrote:

I need to implement some bare-bones X10 functions... contact closure
on one side of house closes a relay on the other side.

Trying to sort out the X10 sites is confusing.

Lots of expensive/who-needs-it features.

Can someone point me to "bare-bones" ?

Thanks!

Here's a bare bones RF X-10 setup - everything you
need for $25.99. See the url
HTTP://WWW.SMARTHOME.COM/searchweb.asp?q=4003

It contains a keyfob transmitter and a receiver -
the receiver plugs in to a receptacle. It (the receiver)
contains a relay controlled 2 prong receptacle into which
you can plug an incandescant light up to 500 watts,
or a resistive load up to 15 amps.

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