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Seems to be a notorious problem with fan system on these, so many I cannot
find a recognised solution in amongst the complaints.
I've not taken apart yet,all wrapped up under the h/s, is it active or
thermistor monitoring ? and then a cut out mechanism as well.
Monitoring V to the 12V fan takes ages getting from 1.2V to 3V and stops
there as fan starts taking current at 3V. Already the h/s is too hot too
keep fingers on. I never liked the idea of slowly ramped V to fans but will
ask the owner
if they want the temp monitoring changed or fan on all the time.
 
Got in under there. Anyone know what the temp setting of the S1 thermal
switch is ? I'm reluctant to bend it back to reveal the other face as pins
look semi rigid and probably not marked anyway.
Not so straightforward a work around. Active monitoring with a TO220 device
LM35DT, linear output, and perhaps JM65RC means selected for 65 deg C.
Plenty of data on them but will have to sketch out the LM35 and 2
transistors to see a way around dropping 65 to 40 deg C in effect
 
Going to do a talk tonight on PbF and what do I find in this 2007 PbF amp?
The self-tap screws supposedly holding the IEC socket to the chassis have no
bite and so each insertion/pulling of the line cord plug, stresses the PbF
solder joints on the pcb carying mains voltage . Solder OK at the moment but
looking a bit suspect already and so a year or two on ,a conflagration in
the making. So remedial solder and bolts and captive nuts replacing the
self-taps.

The cut out sw is nearest the hottest part of the h/s so cuts out before the
fan drive has really got going, it still has to cool down the bulk of the
heatsink, all the while the underside is still going up. I can see a diode
going in "under" the LM35 to raise the 0V output for 0 deg C to a voltage
that will at least turn on the pass transistor to the fan, at room
temperature, and then increase it with use. As it is the heatsink gets too
hot to keep fingers on (50 deg C?) before the fan gets any voltage at all ,
surprisingly 24V but 3V will start to turn it.
 
I tested the cut out sw in situ. I can just see make out markings through
the insulation wrap.
028 A 20 161
perhaps 161 deg F
Sw goes o/c about 80 deg C and s/c again 65 deg C
 
Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 10:24:03 +0100, N_Cook wrote:

Seems to be a notorious problem with fan system on these, so many I
cannot find a recognised solution in amongst the complaints. I've not
taken apart yet,all wrapped up under the h/s, is it active or thermistor
monitoring ? and then a cut out mechanism as well. Monitoring V to the
12V fan takes ages getting from 1.2V to 3V and stops there as fan starts
taking current at 3V. Already the h/s is too hot too keep fingers on. I
never liked the idea of slowly ramped V to fans but will ask the owner
if they want the temp monitoring changed or fan on all the time.

Ask the owner, chances are they will want it on all the time. I used a
Crown Microtech 1000 for a bass head for many years and it's still part
of my rig along with a BBE 383 preamp. The fan was loud and ran full
speed but the din of the audience nulled any noise it made between songs/
sets and of course when we played all you could hear during silent
periods were your ears ringing.
Click to expand...

The other great advantage with always-on is that the user knows the fan is
in working order right from the off.
 
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 10:24:03 +0100, N_Cook wrote:

Seems to be a notorious problem with fan system on these, so many I
cannot find a recognised solution in amongst the complaints. I've not
taken apart yet,all wrapped up under the h/s, is it active or thermistor
monitoring ? and then a cut out mechanism as well. Monitoring V to the
12V fan takes ages getting from 1.2V to 3V and stops there as fan starts
taking current at 3V. Already the h/s is too hot too keep fingers on. I
never liked the idea of slowly ramped V to fans but will ask the owner
if they want the temp monitoring changed or fan on all the time.
Click to expand...
Ask the owner, chances are they will want it on all the time. I used a
Crown Microtech 1000 for a bass head for many years and it's still part
of my rig along with a BBE 383 preamp. The fan was loud and ran full
speed but the din of the audience nulled any noise it made between songs/
sets and of course when we played all you could hear during silent
periods were your ears ringing.
 
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:05:47 +0100, N_Cook wrote:

Meat Plow <mhywatt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3tc18b.idi.17.7@news.alt.net...
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 10:24:03 +0100, N_Cook wrote:

Seems to be a notorious problem with fan system on these, so many I
cannot find a recognised solution in amongst the complaints. I've not
taken apart yet,all wrapped up under the h/s, is it active or
thermistor monitoring ? and then a cut out mechanism as well.
Monitoring V to the 12V fan takes ages getting from 1.2V to 3V and
stops there as fan starts taking current at 3V. Already the h/s is
too hot too keep fingers on. I never liked the idea of slowly ramped
V to fans but will ask the owner if they want the temp monitoring
changed or fan on all the time.

Ask the owner, chances are they will want it on all the time. I used a
Crown Microtech 1000 for a bass head for many years and it's still part
of my rig along with a BBE 383 preamp. The fan was loud and ran full
speed but the din of the audience nulled any noise it made between
songs/ sets and of course when we played all you could hear during
silent periods were your ears ringing.


The other great advantage with always-on is that the user knows the fan
is in working order right from the off.
Click to expand...
I remember my sarcastic drummer calling the Crown a microwave oven :)
because of the fan noise. It never bothered me. Also used a BGW prior to
the purchase of the crown. Larger in size but only 700 into 8ohms. It
also had a loud fan but still hefty enough to have reserve on those low
5th string bass notes without distortion. That's the main reason I
snagged the Crown. And I got many compliments from my band mates on the
sound.
 
17 deg C / 0.17V of lift from a SM shottke diode under the sensor is about
right to get the fan turning properly at ambient 15 deg C or more.
Definitely a PbF solder amp from 2007. Made in China for USA for export to
the UK but presumably the same for domestic USA use , no mention of PbF on
pcb or rear of casing
 
If the amp is left switched on with no input the quiescent current is enough
to slightly raise the h/s temp to about 30 deg C and fan comes on now
I suspect the problem is drift over time of the Vbe of the drive transistor,
change of 0.01V there leads to change of 1.5V on the fan , so if Vbe drops a
few mV the fan will only come on at 50 or 60 deg C, too late to be safe
 
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