Automagic Board Stuffer

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When I worked at a local Co back in '80, the assy line people had a
board stuffer that had to be run manually, like a pantograph if you
know what that is. WOrked okay for the hundreds of 1k resistors that
the boards used. Well, nowadays, they do it like this, with tape
reels, but it looks like they still need an attendant to push the big
red button if something goes wrong. See URL
http://kitsrus.com/jpg/solder_3.jpg


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Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, Dark Remover" wrote:

When I worked at a local Co back in '80, the assy line people had a
board stuffer that had to be run manually, like a pantograph if you
know what that is. WOrked okay for the hundreds of 1k resistors that
the boards used. Well, nowadays, they do it like this, with tape
reels, but it looks like they still need an attendant to push the big
red button if something goes wrong. See URL
http://kitsrus.com/jpg/solder_3.jpg
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Then who would be changing the reels to load new ones or different
type of parts, etc etc. Those machines don't run by themselves.
rw
 
Hi All,

That looks very much like the SMT pick 'n place machine I turned up for Symetrix (http://www.symetrixaudio.com/) about 7 years ago. The machine was a low-end unit from Quad Systems (http://www.quad-sys.com/). Even so, it didn't take long for a 5000-piece reel of (for example) 0.1uf/50V/X7R/1206 caps to run out. The faster "chip shooter" type of machines are even faster, and will typically use larger 15" reels of the "popcorn" parts.

Even many SOIC/SSOIC parts could be had in tape-and-reel. But, where we had low usage (and/or expensive) ICs, we typically got them in tubes. Those had to be fed out of a vibratory feeder, which were often a bit tricky to set up... you had to adjust frequency and amplitude so the parts would feed down the tube (but not jump out on their own).

We also had a few QFP parts that came in waffle-trays, which had their own issues. The narrow lead spacing required we not use the laser-checking that was used for other parts. They had a nifty optical system that would check the component's leads for straightness first, and reject it if out of tolerance. Since those parts were always expensive, it wouldn't chuck it into a discard bin -- it would set it back into its location in the waffle tray, and select the next one.

For a low-end machine, we thought it was pretty good -- it would stuff a board w/ 300 components in about 8 minutes.

We also had autoinsertion of axial-lead through-hole parts, and semi-automatic insertion of radial lead through-hole parts. I understand, like many companies, Symetrix is now contracting w/ asian firm(s) for their assemblies.

Bryan

PS: My first post in this group - I hope to contribute more in the future.

"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun, Dark Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:MPG.1a50a2c0e3f839d7989a69@news.dslextreme.com...
When I worked at a local Co back in '80, the assy line people had a
board stuffer that had to be run manually, like a pantograph if you
know what that is. WOrked okay for the hundreds of 1k resistors that
the boards used. Well, nowadays, they do it like this, with tape
reels, but it looks like they still need an attendant to push the big
red button if something goes wrong. See URL
http://kitsrus.com/jpg/solder_3.jpg


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Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
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Bryan Swadener wrote:

Hi All,

That looks very much like the SMT pick 'n place machine I turned up
for Symetrix (http://www.symetrixaudio.com/) about 7 years ago. The
machine was a low-end unit from Quad Systems
(http://www.quad-sys.com/). Even so, it didn't take long for a
5000-piece reel of (for example) 0.1uf/50V/X7R/1206 caps to run out.
The faster "chip shooter" type of machines are even faster, and will
typically use larger 15" reels of the "popcorn" parts.

Even many SOIC/SSOIC parts could be had in tape-and-reel. But, where
we had low usage (and/or expensive) ICs, we typically got them in
tubes. Those had to be fed out of a vibratory feeder, which
were often a bit tricky to set up... you had to adjust frequency and
amplitude so the parts would feed down the tube (but not jump out on
their own).

We also had a few QFP parts that came in waffle-trays, which had their
own issues. The narrow lead spacing required we not use the
laser-checking that was used for other parts. They had a nifty
optical system that would check the component's leads for straightness
first, and reject it if out of tolerance. Since those parts were
always expensive, it wouldn't chuck it into a discard bin -- it would
set it back into its location in the waffle tray, and select the next
one.

For a low-end machine, we thought it was pretty good -- it would stuff
a board w/ 300 components in about 8 minutes.

We also had autoinsertion of axial-lead through-hole parts, and
semi-automatic insertion of radial lead through-hole parts. I
understand, like many companies, Symetrix is now contracting w/ asian
firm(s) for their assemblies.

Bryan

PS: My first post in this group - I hope to contribute more in the
future.
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Eh... thank you for the "welcome".
 
Bryan Swadener wrote:
Eh... thank you for the "welcome".
Click to expand...
You are more than welcome on the group, but some of us have vision
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post all usenet messagfes in plain text for these, and other reasons.


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There are machines available that take a whole bunch of
tape reels of different components, and sort and merge them
into a new tape reel of mixed components that runs on the board
stuffing machine.

-Chuck

Rein Wiehler wrote:
Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, Dark Remover" wrote:


When I worked at a local Co back in '80, the assy line people had a
board stuffer that had to be run manually, like a pantograph if you
know what that is. WOrked okay for the hundreds of 1k resistors that
the boards used. Well, nowadays, they do it like this, with tape
reels, but it looks like they still need an attendant to push the big
red button if something goes wrong. See URL
http://kitsrus.com/jpg/solder_3.jpg


Then who would be changing the reels to load new ones or different
type of parts, etc etc. Those machines don't run by themselves.
rw
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"Chuck Harris" <cfharris@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3fe84cfd$0$4748$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
There are machines available that take a whole bunch of
tape reels of different components, and sort and merge them
into a new tape reel of mixed components that runs on the board
stuffing machine.
Click to expand...
I find these machines amazing considering they are not doing anything hard
they are just using mechanical engineering that has been with us for years,
tighter tolerances and manufacturing techniques have made them possible but
no startling innovations. I was watching some in Poland this week and could
stand for ever looking at them.

When you start with PCB and components and completed assemblies fall out the
other end you have to wonder what the next step will be.

Insert basic raw materials here (dirt)
Remove completed item here :)
 
In article <3fe84cfd$0$4748$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>, cfharris@erols.com
mentioned...
There are machines available that take a whole bunch of
tape reels of different components, and sort and merge them
into a new tape reel of mixed components that runs on the board
stuffing machine.
Click to expand...
Sort of reminds me of the old IBM sorter collator EAMs of the '60s and
earlier. Geez, that kind of shows my age. Not that I ever used one,
since I was just a student back then. Mostly. ;-)

When will they invent an analog EEPROM? Like, you shine a laser beam
into the window, and program the values of the resistors, connections,
and other stuff on the chip. Sort of like one chip fits all. Of
course there's not much of a chance to get a decent sized (1000 pF or
more) cap on a chip, I'd guess.


-Chuck

Rein Wiehler wrote:
Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, Dark Remover" wrote:


When I worked at a local Co back in '80, the assy line people had a
board stuffer that had to be run manually, like a pantograph if you
know what that is. WOrked okay for the hundreds of 1k resistors that
the boards used. Well, nowadays, they do it like this, with tape
reels, but it looks like they still need an attendant to push the big
red button if something goes wrong. See URL
http://kitsrus.com/jpg/solder_3.jpg


Then who would be changing the reels to load new ones or different
type of parts, etc etc. Those machines don't run by themselves.
rw
Click to expand...

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Don't be ripped off by the big book dealers. Go to the URL
that will give you a choice and save you money(up to half).
http://www.everybookstore.com You'll be glad you did!
Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
changed it: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
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In article <CsYFb.142$UI2.215260@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net>,
mjolinor@hotmail.com mentioned...
"Chuck Harris" <cfharris@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3fe84cfd$0$4748$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
There are machines available that take a whole bunch of
tape reels of different components, and sort and merge them
into a new tape reel of mixed components that runs on the board
stuffing machine.


I find these machines amazing considering they are not doing anything hard
they are just using mechanical engineering that has been with us for years,
tighter tolerances and manufacturing techniques have made them possible but
no startling innovations. I was watching some in Poland this week and could
stand for ever looking at them.

When you start with PCB and components and completed assemblies fall out the
other end you have to wonder what the next step will be.

Insert basic raw materials here (dirt)
Remove completed item here :)
Click to expand...
What were you doing in Poland? Is that a new place for cheap labor in
Europe?

We're about to finish escrow on a building that used to be a chip fab
plant. Company was called Thermco, and the bldg is huge, 90,000
square feet (8361 sq. meters), on 7 acres. We're gonna use it for
educational purposes, classrooms, labs, etc. It's going to take a
year to remodel it, so I'd guess that most of the infrastructure will
be demo'd and we'll not get a chance to see what it looked like. I
haven't heard what the selling price was, but we have $90 million to
spend, so what's a few million here and there? ;-P


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Don't be ripped off by the big book dealers. Go to the URL
that will give you a choice and save you money(up to half).
http://www.everybookstore.com You'll be glad you did!
Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
changed it: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
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"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun, Dark Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:MPG.1a5206f96dd677db989a75@news.dslextreme.com...
In article <3fe84cfd$0$4748$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>, cfharris@erols.com
mentioned...
There are machines available that take a whole bunch of
tape reels of different components, and sort and merge them
into a new tape reel of mixed components that runs on the board
stuffing machine.

Sort of reminds me of the old IBM sorter collator EAMs of the '60s and
earlier. Geez, that kind of shows my age. Not that I ever used one,
since I was just a student back then. Mostly. ;-)

When will they invent an analog EEPROM? Like, you shine a laser beam
into the window, and program the values of the resistors, connections,
and other stuff on the chip. Sort of like one chip fits all. Of
course there's not much of a chance to get a decent sized (1000 pF or
more) cap on a chip, I'd guess.


Search under "analog array"
Click to expand...
Oppie
======================
Anadigm Launches Latest Field Programmable Analog Array

By Mark Long -- e-inSITE, 3/31/2003

Anadigm has launched a new dynamically re-configurable Field Programmable
Analog Array (FPAA) for signal conditioning, filtering, data acquisition,
and closed-loop control applications.


Offering four configurable I/O cells and two dedicated output cells, the new
AN221E04 features an advanced input/output structure that will allows the
device to be programmed with up to six outputs. When deployed in
I/O-intensive applications, the company reports that a single FPAA can be
employed to process multiple channels of analog signals where two or more
such devices were previously required. In addition, designers can used the
new device to implement an integrated 8-bit ADC right on the FPAA. Designers
can then route the ADC's digital output off-chip using one of the dedicated
output cells.

The company's AnadigmDesigner2 EDA software has been designed to enable
designers to construct complex analog functions using configurable analog
modules (CAMs) as building blocks. Featuring drag-and-drop interface, the
software reportedly allows complete analog systems to be built, simulated,
and then downloaded to the FPAA chip for testing and validation. According
to the company, a single AN221E04 can be programmed to implement multiple
analog functions and/or to adapt on the fly to maintain precision operation
despite system degradation and aging. Since the analog functions are defined
by software, control is implemented using C-code that is automatically
generated by AnadigmDesigner2.

Packaged in the 44-pin QFP, the AN221E04 is priced at $16 each in 10K
quantities. A complete evaluation kit that includes development board,
entry-level software and updated documentation is priced at $499 each. In
addition, designers can download a free trial copy of the company's
AnadigmDesigner2 EDA tool at: http://www.anadigm.com/Down_05_a.asp .
 
In article <77daf0cf6f47c0ccad984f39a80ddc16@news.teranews.com>,
boppie@-nospam-ludl.com mentioned...
"Watson A.Name - Watt Sun, Dark Remover" <alondra101@hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:MPG.1a5206f96dd677db989a75@news.dslextreme.com...
In article <3fe84cfd$0$4748$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>, cfharris@erols.com
mentioned...
There are machines available that take a whole bunch of
tape reels of different components, and sort and merge them
into a new tape reel of mixed components that runs on the board
stuffing machine.

Sort of reminds me of the old IBM sorter collator EAMs of the '60s and
earlier. Geez, that kind of shows my age. Not that I ever used one,
since I was just a student back then. Mostly. ;-)

When will they invent an analog EEPROM? Like, you shine a laser beam
into the window, and program the values of the resistors, connections,
and other stuff on the chip. Sort of like one chip fits all. Of
course there's not much of a chance to get a decent sized (1000 pF or
more) cap on a chip, I'd guess.


Search under "analog array"
Oppie
======================
Anadigm Launches Latest Field Programmable Analog Array

By Mark Long -- e-inSITE, 3/31/2003

Anadigm has launched a new dynamically re-configurable Field Programmable
Analog Array (FPAA) for signal conditioning, filtering, data acquisition,
and closed-loop control applications.


Offering four configurable I/O cells and two dedicated output cells, the new
AN221E04 features an advanced input/output structure that will allows the
device to be programmed with up to six outputs. When deployed in
I/O-intensive applications, the company reports that a single FPAA can be
employed to process multiple channels of analog signals where two or more
such devices were previously required. In addition, designers can used the
new device to implement an integrated 8-bit ADC right on the FPAA. Designers
can then route the ADC's digital output off-chip using one of the dedicated
output cells.

The company's AnadigmDesigner2 EDA software has been designed to enable
designers to construct complex analog functions using configurable analog
modules (CAMs) as building blocks. Featuring drag-and-drop interface, the
software reportedly allows complete analog systems to be built, simulated,
and then downloaded to the FPAA chip for testing and validation. According
to the company, a single AN221E04 can be programmed to implement multiple
analog functions and/or to adapt on the fly to maintain precision operation
despite system degradation and aging. Since the analog functions are defined
by software, control is implemented using C-code that is automatically
generated by AnadigmDesigner2.

Packaged in the 44-pin QFP, the AN221E04 is priced at $16 each in 10K
quantities. A complete evaluation kit that includes development board,
entry-level software and updated documentation is priced at $499 each. In
addition, designers can download a free trial copy of the company's
AnadigmDesigner2 EDA tool at: http://www.anadigm.com/Down_05_a.asp .
Click to expand...
That's cool! Actually I should've said analog PROM. Once it's zapped
with the laser, that's the way it stays. I'm thinking more like a
field programmable ROM that's a one time deal. THat way, it'll be
cheaper than 16 bucks.



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Don't be ripped off by the big book dealers. Go to the URL
that will give you a choice and save you money(up to half).
http://www.everybookstore.com You'll be glad you did!
Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
changed it: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
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Hi All,

In plain text this time, for the HTML-challenged...

That looks very much like the SMT pick 'n place machine I turned up for
Symetrix (http://www.symetrixaudio.com/) about 7 years ago. The machine was
a low-end unit from Quad Systems (http://www.quad-sys.com/). Even so, it
didn't take long for a 5000-piece reel of (for example) 0.1uf/50V/X7R/1206
caps to run out. The faster "chip shooter" type of machines are even faster,
and will typically use larger 15" reels of the "popcorn" parts.

Even many SOIC/SSOIC parts could be had in tape-and-reel. But, where we had
low usage (and/or expensive) ICs, we typically got them in tubes. Those had
to be fed out of a vibratory feeder, which were often a bit tricky to set
up... you had to adjust frequency and amplitude so the parts would feed down
the tube (but not jump out on their own).

We also had a few QFP parts that came in waffle-trays, which had their own
issues. The narrow lead spacing required we not use the laser-checking that
was used for other parts. They had a nifty optical system that would check
the component's leads for straightness first, and reject it if out of
tolerance. Since those parts were always expensive, it wouldn't chuck it
into a discard bin -- it would set it back into its location in the waffle
tray, and select the next one.

For a low-end machine, we thought it was pretty good -- it would stuff a
board w/ 300 components in about 8 minutes.

We also had autoinsertion of axial-lead through-hole parts, and
semi-automatic insertion of radial lead through-hole parts. I understand,
like many companies, Symetrix is now contracting w/ asian firm(s) for their
assemblies.

Bryan

PS: My first post in this group - I hope to contribute more in the future.

"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:3FE7FAA4.F61698F0@earthlink.net...
Bryan Swadener wrote:

Eh... thank you for the "welcome".

You are more than welcome on the group, but some of us have vision
problems. Small fonts don't help. Also, some people use text only
browsers, so your message is filled with all the HTML tags and this
makes it very difficult to read. Its considered a common courtesy to
post all usenet messagfes in plain text for these, and other reasons.


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Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
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