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Hi. I've been trying to buy a new audio setup but I'm confused about
quality. Years ago NAD & ONKYO, Bose Etc were the benchmarks & watt ratings
gave some indication to us uninitiated as to what we were getting. However,
I'm now reading reports on Logitec's equipment being better than Bose for a
fraction of the cost.
I need a system where I don't need loud sounds but I'd like the quality
reproduction. Can anyone enlighten on how one may make a considered choice?

Thanks
 
Syracuse wrote:

Hi. I've been trying to buy a new audio setup but I'm confused about
quality. Years ago NAD & ONKYO, Bose Etc were the benchmarks & watt ratings
gave some indication to us uninitiated as to what we were getting. However,
I'm now reading reports on Logitec's equipment being better than Bose for a
fraction of the cost.
I need a system where I don't need loud sounds but I'd like the quality
reproduction. Can anyone enlighten on how one may make a considered choice?
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Listen to them ?


Graham
 
"Syracuse" <boo> wrote in message news:420553b6$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
Hi. I've been trying to buy a new audio setup but I'm confused about
quality. Years ago NAD & ONKYO, Bose Etc were the benchmarks
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**Nope. NAD and Onkyo are just typical Asian electronics products. Some of
their stuff is pretty decent and some is utter crap. Bose, OTOH, was only
ever a benchmark for how a company can push marketing to the extreme, whilst
retaining the absolute cheapest and crappiest products on Earth. They're
also the worst value, with the possible exception of some esoteric brands
and Bang & Olufsen.

& watt ratings
gave some indication to us uninitiated as to what we were getting.
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**Nope. Power ratings ONLY give you some idea of how much power the
manufacturer CLAIMS his product can deliver. It bears no relation to
quality, longevity, resale, or, indeed, the ACTUAL power delivered into real
loudspeakers, over a period of time.

However,
I'm now reading reports on Logitec's equipment being better than Bose for
a fraction of the cost.
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**Duh. EVERYONE'S equipment is better than Bose, for a fraction of the cost.

I need a system where I don't need loud sounds but I'd like the quality
reproduction. Can anyone enlighten on how one may make a considered
choice?
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**As Pooh Bear says: Listen for yourself.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au
 
"Syracuse" <boo> wrote in message news:420553b6$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
Hi. I've been trying to buy a new audio setup but I'm confused about
quality. Years ago NAD & ONKYO, Bose Etc were the benchmarks & watt
ratings
gave some indication to us uninitiated as to what we were getting.
However,
I'm now reading reports on Logitec's equipment being better than Bose for
a
fraction of the cost.
I need a system where I don't need loud sounds but I'd like the quality
reproduction. Can anyone enlighten on how one may make a considered
choice?

Thanks




As said, if ya gonna drop some serious dollars on a system go around and
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listen to some. Be aware that it's easy to be seduced by the hi-fi shops
that demo the top of the range first which makes the lower level stuff sound
a bit dull. Make sure that you listen the complete outfit you have selected,
ie not with high range speakers for instance.

--
Regards ..... Rheilly Phoull
 
quality. Years ago NAD & ONKYO, Bose Etc were the benchmarks & watt ratings
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I bought a 6 channel Onkyo amp (for Home Theatre use)
Retailer claimed it was 150W into 6 channels
Users Manual Claimed 80W into 6 channels
Actual is about 35W into 6 channels (still more than enougth for movies)

Double the power is not the same as twice as loud, thats why 'normal'
listening volume is less than 5w. Put a volt meter on you speaker & youl be
amazed
 
While you are worried about something not too loud, but sounds good,
consider this

Sometimes you get less distortion from a 50 Watt Amplifier set at say 5
watts than a 5 watt amplifier set at 5 Watts.

But you really need to look at the power-distortion graph to check that out.




"Syracuse" <boo> wrote in message news:420553b6$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
Hi. I've been trying to buy a new audio setup but I'm confused about
quality. Years ago NAD & ONKYO, Bose Etc were the benchmarks & watt ratings
gave some indication to us uninitiated as to what we were getting. However,
I'm now reading reports on Logitec's equipment being better than Bose for a
fraction of the cost.
I need a system where I don't need loud sounds but I'd like the quality
reproduction. Can anyone enlighten on how one may make a considered choice?

Thanks
 
Rheilly Phoull wrote:

As said, if ya gonna drop some serious dollars on a system go around and
listen to some.
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If you haven't previously seriously spent serious dollars - you might to want to
go to the half way house too.

Most of the electronics shit is usually pretty damn good these days - as a
generality. Loudspeakers still defy any really scientific analysis ( wel other
than conforms to human appreciation ) and you should choose those you simply
enjoy the sound of - from then you may learn and move to better things !

Be aware that it's easy to be seduced by the hi-fi shops
that demo the top of the range first which makes the lower level stuff sound
a bit dull. Make sure that you listen the complete outfit you have selected,
ie not with high range speakers for instance.
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Always beware of sales 'tactics' to move you in favour of a purchase.

Best Luck !

Graham
 
"Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
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"Syracuse" <boo> wrote in message news:420553b6$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
Hi. I've been trying to buy a new audio setup but I'm confused about
quality. Years ago NAD & ONKYO, Bose Etc were the benchmarks

**Nope. NAD and Onkyo are just typical Asian electronics products. Some of
their stuff is pretty decent and some is utter crap. Bose, OTOH, was ...
the worst value, with the possible exception of some esoteric brands
and Bang & Olufsen.
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But people like the look of them so they think they sound good.

I recall going into B&O in Elizabeth St (Mel) years ago to see if I could
get a replacement tweeter for my EV speakers (Peerless paper cone tweeter).
The guy got it for me, but when we got talking and I told him my speakers
were EV he went all hoity and didn't want to sell me the spare part because
he had an obligation to look after B&O customers.

To cut that story short I got the speaker repaired by the distributor in
Sydney when I had an opportunity to.

WR
 
Well, thanks for all that; I guess it gets down to either hard work or trust
a sales person.
 
"Syracuse" <boo> wrote in message news:4208ef32$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
Well, thanks for all that; I guess it gets down to either hard work or
trust
a sales person.
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Yep, and NEVER trust a sales person!

MrT.
 
"Syracuse" <boo> wrote in message news:4208ef32$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
Well, thanks for all that; I guess it gets down to either hard work or
trust
a sales person.

Yep, and NEVER trust a sales person!

MrT.
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(GULP!)
 
I would add a couple of riders to this comment - re the electronics this only
applies to the good brands - eg Yamaha, Sansui, etc, and even then always read the
specs carefully

Re the speakers - make sure you take your own music CD with you when you do your
comparisons, and always check the tone settings on the demo amp. Some salesguys
will hit the loudness/bassboost/trebleboost etc to make their gear seem to sound
better.

Compare amps on the speakers you are going to buy, and compare the speakers on the
amp you are going to buy.

And last of all - INSIST on a demo in your home - good HiFi shops will be happy to
do this - the sharpies will give lots of excuses why they cant/wont

Cheers

David

Pooh Bear wrote:

Most of the electronics shit is usually pretty damn good these days - as a
generality. Loudspeakers still defy any really scientific analysis ( wel other
than conforms to human appreciation ) and you should choose those you simply
enjoy the sound of - from then you may learn and move to better things !
Click to expand...
 
...and the only right answer is the hard work one..

David

Syracuse wrote:

Well, thanks for all that; I guess it gets down to either hard work or trust
a sales person.
Click to expand...
 
"quietguy" <david1133@REMOVE-TO-REPLYoptusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:420ABCD4.C96B5F35@REMOVE-TO-REPLYoptusnet.com.au...
I would add a couple of riders to this comment - re the electronics this
only
applies to the good brands - eg Yamaha, Sansui, etc, and even then always
read the
specs carefully
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Yamaha and SANSUI are good brands, in your opinion? Compared to what? :)
:)

You do realise Sansui is now just a badge used on cheap Chinese products
these days? Badges like these are used to fool some people who only remember
the reputation of the original company. Seems to be working in your case.

MrT.
 
"Syracuse" <boo> wrote in message news:420553b6$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
... I'm now reading reports on Logitec's equipment being better than Bose
for a
fraction of the cost.
I need a system where I don't need loud sounds but I'd like the quality
reproduction. Can anyone enlighten on how one may make a considered
choice?
Click to expand...

Roughly, what price are you prepared to pay, and what do you want to get for
that money (eg: complete home theatre kit for under a grand, cd, amp and
speakers for $5000 etc.)?

The amount you spend is not a reliable indicator of quality, but if people
know the ball park then they can offer a few suggestions.

WR
 
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